I don't see aggro decks as uninteractive or unfair in any way. Delver, Merfolk, and Zoo is turning creatures sideways backed up by disruption, and in Aggro v. Aggro matchups it gets VERY grindy and you end up with these complicated board states. I personally think many of those matchups are a ton of fun to play. Affinity shies away from almost all interaction sure, but I've been in the complicated board math position with Affinity plenty of times and it can be tons of fun. And if this metagame sticks AT ALL then it completely opens the door for things like Jeskai variants who have been waiting for these decks to come back into prominence. I'm not saying this is a super healthy meta or anything, but it has the makings of something that can develop into something positive.
It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
I don't see aggro decks as uninteractive or unfair in any way. Delver, Merfolk, and Zoo is turning creatures sideways backed up by disruption, and in Aggro v. Aggro matchups it gets VERY grindy and you end up with these complicated board states. I personally think many of those matchups are a ton of fun to play. Affinity shies away from almost all interaction sure, but I've been in the complicated board math position with Affinity plenty of times and it can be tons of fun. And if this metagame sticks AT ALL then it completely opens the door for things like Jeskai variants who have been waiting for these decks to come back into prominence. I'm not saying this is a super healthy meta or anything, but it has the makings of something that can develop into something positive.
It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
But UWR gets better as well because IT doesn't have to deal with twin too - it ALWAYS goes both ways. It and BGx can tune to this meta VERY well - Lightning Helix is a HELL of a card in that scg meta, and if anyone had considered Level 2ing the meta (unlikely because it was the first post ban tournament) they would have run more sweepers in the main and been just fine.
I don't see aggro decks as uninteractive or unfair in any way. Delver, Merfolk, and Zoo is turning creatures sideways backed up by disruption, and in Aggro v. Aggro matchups it gets VERY grindy and you end up with these complicated board states. I personally think many of those matchups are a ton of fun to play. Affinity shies away from almost all interaction sure, but I've been in the complicated board math position with Affinity plenty of times and it can be tons of fun. And if this metagame sticks AT ALL then it completely opens the door for things like Jeskai variants who have been waiting for these decks to come back into prominence. I'm not saying this is a super healthy meta or anything, but it has the makings of something that can develop into something positive.
It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
But UWR gets better as well because IT doesn't have to deal with twin too - it ALWAYS goes both ways. It and BGx can tune to this meta VERY well - Lightning Helix is a HELL of a card in that scg meta, and if anyone had considered Level 2ing the meta (unlikely because it was the first post ban tournament) they would have run more sweepers in the main and been just fine.
UWR/URB control variants were already heavily favored vs Twin. In fact you can even argue that twin was one of controls best match-ups.
Sure. UWR/URB no longer needs to worry about Twin. But it didn't before... in fact the vast majority of the time the twin matchup for those decks was close to a bye.
Without that "heavily favored" matchup in the meta, URx non-delver decks actually got alot worse.
I don't see aggro decks as uninteractive or unfair in any way. Delver, Merfolk, and Zoo is turning creatures sideways backed up by disruption, and in Aggro v. Aggro matchups it gets VERY grindy and you end up with these complicated board states. I personally think many of those matchups are a ton of fun to play. Affinity shies away from almost all interaction sure, but I've been in the complicated board math position with Affinity plenty of times and it can be tons of fun. And if this metagame sticks AT ALL then it completely opens the door for things like Jeskai variants who have been waiting for these decks to come back into prominence. I'm not saying this is a super healthy meta or anything, but it has the makings of something that can develop into something positive.
It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
But UWR gets better as well because IT doesn't have to deal with twin too - it ALWAYS goes both ways. It and BGx can tune to this meta VERY well - Lightning Helix is a HELL of a card in that scg meta, and if anyone had considered Level 2ing the meta (unlikely because it was the first post ban tournament) they would have run more sweepers in the main and been just fine.
UWR/URB control variants were already heavily favored vs Twin. In fact you can even argue that twin was one of controls best match-ups.
Sure. UWR/URB no longer needs to worry about Twin. But it didn't before... in fact the vast majority of the time the twin matchup for those decks was close to a bye.
Without that "heavily favored" matchup in the meta, URx non-delver decks actually got alot worse.
No deck got SUBSTANTIALLY better or worse from a deck that was at last count 9% of the meta leaving the format. At the highest levels of competition in top 8s and day 2s your matchups might be better by a few percentage points, but a UWR midrange deck is DESIGNED to prey on these types of decks and can certainly beat more than just Twin.
Eh, these classics are just small tournaments anyway. I wouldn't consider them representative of what the Pro Tour is going to look like. I anticipated that this meta would just be linear aggro vs. big mana. It may end up just being linear aggro vs. linear aggro: the Turn Dudes Sideways meta. Whoever counts from 20 to 0 faster wins.
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I don't see aggro decks as uninteractive or unfair in any way. Delver, Merfolk, and Zoo is turning creatures sideways backed up by disruption, and in Aggro v. Aggro matchups it gets VERY grindy and you end up with these complicated board states. I personally think many of those matchups are a ton of fun to play. Affinity shies away from almost all interaction sure, but I've been in the complicated board math position with Affinity plenty of times and it can be tons of fun. And if this metagame sticks AT ALL then it completely opens the door for things like Jeskai variants who have been waiting for these decks to come back into prominence. I'm not saying this is a super healthy meta or anything, but it has the makings of something that can develop into something positive.
It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
But UWR gets better as well because IT doesn't have to deal with twin too - it ALWAYS goes both ways. It and BGx can tune to this meta VERY well - Lightning Helix is a HELL of a card in that scg meta, and if anyone had considered Level 2ing the meta (unlikely because it was the first post ban tournament) they would have run more sweepers in the main and been just fine.
UWR/URB control variants were already heavily favored vs Twin. In fact you can even argue that twin was one of controls best match-ups.
Sure. UWR/URB no longer needs to worry about Twin. But it didn't before... in fact the vast majority of the time the twin matchup for those decks was close to a bye.
Without that "heavily favored" matchup in the meta, URx non-delver decks actually got alot worse.
No deck got SUBSTANTIALLY better or worse from a deck that was at last count 9% of the meta leaving the format. At the highest levels of competition in top 8s and day 2s your matchups might be better by a few percentage points, but a UWR midrange deck is DESIGNED to prey on these types of decks and can certainly beat more than just Twin.
I think the statistics proves otherwise. In the previous twin-filled meta: whenever Twin showed up in large numbers so did control. If Twin was lower in numbers... control never got close to top 8ing.
You can see this relationship going far back as the last PT. Now it's too early to tell whether or not a meta can develop that supports URx; however, it can be safely said that the banning of Twin did not help the URx control shell at all.
Also with regards to the SB argument: URx never really had to devote much SB slots to beat twin anyways. As a result they don't really gain anything from the deck no longer being in the format.
Also with regards to the SB argument: URx never really had to devote much SB slots to beat twin anyways. As a result they don't really gain anything from the deck no longer being in the format.
Disagree. The type of interaction that needs to be run maindeck has changed completely. Before the ban it was almost entirely spot removal with sweepers coming in from the side (too high a chance of them being dead game 1 late into a tournament) - the ban opens up that area of the mainboard. It's a subtle change, but one that could prove very impactful.
Looking that the decklists it's pretty easy to understand the lack of tron. Every deck is packing immense hate for tron as it was the boogeyman people expected going into the tournament. Expect the meta to change a lot again by the pro tour
This is good though - it shows that Tron CAN be dealt with if people are expecting it which was one of the big fears. Spreading Seas (and sea's claim to a lesser extent) is a HELL of a card.
Tron has a good to even match up against merfolk. The issue is they can stall to five lands with a pyroclasm and then o-stone wrecks you. Additionally they often run ghost quarter which stops mutavault as a finisher. It was the burn, affinity, and zoo keeping tron under control more than likely. I think if the merfolk decks ran more vapor snap or dismember main they probably would have taken the tourney.
Merfolk can beat pyroclasm with an Aether Vial, its not as easy as that.
It is the combination that makes it difficult, not the individual card. If also running counters is not going to get because the discard and aggro are more common in this meta.
Also with regards to the SB argument: URx never really had to devote much SB slots to beat twin anyways. As a result they don't really gain anything from the deck no longer being in the format.
Disagree. The type of interaction that needs to be run maindeck has changed completely. Before the ban it was almost entirely spot removal with sweepers coming in from the side (too high a chance of them being dead game 1 late into a tournament) - the ban opens up that area of the mainboard. It's a subtle change, but one that could prove very impactful.
There problems don't get any easier. Manlands are just as common, tron still goes over the top, burn and zoo didn't go away. Realistically what is good against the swarm decks of merfolk and affinity or the red decks like burn and zoo is not the same. They still have to pick a set of those match ups to do well in. Also, U/R/x shouldn't have been running rending volley anyways so they didn't free up sideboard slots. U/R/x has a higher land count so they can force removal through and win counter wars.
Ugin and Nicol Bolas in that Grixis list. What does that mean?
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Ugin and Nicol Bolas in that Grixis list. What does that mean?
It means someone knew the meta and was good enough to wade upstream. We will have to see how things play out, but a meta where Jeskai Control wins a decent sized event is probably the exception. I hope not...I like control, but it has rarely been top dog in Modern (note: I do not consider the Grixis "control" deck of 6 months ago to be control. Not going to derail into an argument, just putting my statement in context).
Well this week looks like a bunch of *****. GR tron and aggro with 1 jund and 1 UWR flash deck in the top 16. Infect winning the whole thing with new Oath tech--at least thats sorta cool.
Well this week looks like a bunch of *****. GR tron and aggro with 1 jund and 1 UWR flash deck in the top 16. Infect winning the whole thing with new Oath tech--at least thats sorta cool.
A million Aggro decks is no surprise to me at all. This is the new meta. Burn lost a predator in Bloom and even Twin usually beats Burn.
Please Wizards, bring back Birthing Pod and ban Siege Rhino. I'd hate to face 5 Burn decks in a 9 round GP. I probably won't even play Modern TBH if there is an uptick in Burn. I hate that deck much more than Pod, Twin, or Bloom.
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A million Aggro decks is no surprise to me at all. This is the new meta. Burn lost a predator in Bloom and even Twin usually beats Burn.
Please Wizards, bring back Birthing Pod and ban Siege Rhino. I'd hate to face 5 Burn decks in a 9 round GP. I probably won't even play Modern TBH if there is an uptick in Burn. I hate that deck much more than Pod, Twin, or Bloom.
I'm definitely not surprised at all. It would've been a miracle if the format didn't go heavily linear in the ban's immediate aftermath. If anything surprises me, it's the pleasant (but not too shocking) surprise of seeing Jund still in the top tables. That's a promising sign of things to come. I also like that URx control is making a showing, even if it's not quite where it needs to be.
Best case scenario: the format self-corrects (as it did in October) towards regulatory strategies. Worst case scenario: we get some unbans to help out lagging strategies and fight back against leading ones.
As mentioned in another thread, control is making a showing in some other places, and I can't help but think Burn was able to take advantage of a field that may not have been running enough Kitchen Finks, Ojutai's Commands, and Timely Reinforcements. Also, I can't understand why R/G-based decks aren't all running Firespout.
Still, at least the diversity of the archetypes in the Modern event is better than the numbers in the SCG Legacy Classics:
Delver 5
Shardless 4
Miracles 3
Elves 2
Infect
Now compare that to the Modern classic:
Burn 4
Tron 3
Infect
Scapeshift
Jund
Affinity
Zoo
Kiki Chord
Jeskai Control
Merfolk
I wasn't for the Twin banning, but I say give it time to see if the meta can correct itself. Maybe UWx control will find a way to worm its way back in to police the format (even if its a Wall of Omens, Sun Titan, Finks, Verdict version instead of Snapcaster versions). More unbannings should happen too. If Golgari Grave Troll and Bitterblossom taught us anything, it's that unbannings often are quite safe and good for the format.
Sorry, I have always hated Burn and I just got knocked out of the top 8 of a GPT today by Burn topdecking a Destructive Revelry for my Leyline of Sanctity the turn before I had lethal. I could play ... 1 deck that beats Burn - Junk Company, but it's so boring to just have to play 1 deck in order to beat Burn.
Lightning Helix is very good right now. I think people can play UWR and assume that Aggro will knock GR Tron from being able to face your UWR. It's just very boring when the realization that 3-4 Lightning Helix instead of silver bullets is the right call in Kiki Chord's 75.
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As mentioned in another thread, control is making a showing in some other places, and I can't help but think Burn was able to take advantage of a field that may not have been running enough Kitchen Finks, Ojutai's Commands, and Timely Reinforcements. Also, I can't understand why R/G-based decks aren't all running Firespout.
I can't speak for the other ones, but as a Tron player, the problem with Firespout the lack of cards that it hits that Pyroclasm doesn't. Yes, there are some. Wild Nacatl is an obvious case, and also Kird Ape+Loam Lion (if it's Little Zoo), but beyond that there's not much. There's Merfolk if they have 2 lords in play, but Pyroclasm is a turn faster so it should be being cast before they have two Lords anyway. Most of the time you won't be facing anything that Pyroclasm kills but Firespout doesn't, and Pyroclasm being a turn earlier is extremely important in a lot of matchups. A Pyroclasm can be game-winning against Infect, but Firespout is usually too late.
Burn is well positioned in this new modern meta. Still no Eldrazi is it a bust?
It's a bust when the vast majority of the field are linear aggro decks that can count to 20 before they cast Oblivion Sower. A friend of mine plays the BW version and with a great opener, he can do fine, but if he stumbles at all he gets wrecked by those decks.
Burn is well positioned in this new modern meta. Still no Eldrazi is it a bust?
It's a bust when the vast majority of the field are linear aggro decks that can count to 20 before they cast Oblivion Sower. A friend of mine plays the BW version and with a great opener, he can do fine, but if he stumbles at all he gets wrecked by those decks.
Bingo! As a BW Eldrazi player, I would hate to play in a meta like this. Even 2 Burn decks during the Swiss is most likely missing the top 8 that day.
For right now, I feel safer with Bogles, although I noticed in this meta, I have to play it like a Midrange deck. Yes, Bogles is now a Midrange deck.
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@Lord Seth -- you're right, but since you are a Tron player, you have a lot more powerful stuff to do during Turn 3. I guess I was thinking more as a Scapeshift player since Tron board wipes with Ugin and O-Stone anyway.
However, based on my testing, the extra point of damage really does matter at times. Firespout cleans up Merfolk if they only have one Lord, and it becomes relevant with a few other creatures such as Vengevine, a smallish Goyf, a Scooze that is just beginning to feed on the GY. I agree Pyroclasm is typically better, but the times that I've had Fish or Zoo outclass the Pyroclasm and make it a blank card in my hand due to that one point of damage has made me switch, and one of my friends that plays Tron has begun considering it too for the same reason.
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It's too early to tell. Merfolk/Affinity/Infect are pretty much the cookie-cutter definition of linear aggro decks (with Delver being a close second).
Also: I don't think a meta full of linear aggro decks opens up the possibilities of URx control. Linnear aggro decks actually have an advantage there. Now that sideboard's no longer have to be built keeping twin in mind... the vast majority of decks just got better.
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But UWR gets better as well because IT doesn't have to deal with twin too - it ALWAYS goes both ways. It and BGx can tune to this meta VERY well - Lightning Helix is a HELL of a card in that scg meta, and if anyone had considered Level 2ing the meta (unlikely because it was the first post ban tournament) they would have run more sweepers in the main and been just fine.
UWR/URB control variants were already heavily favored vs Twin. In fact you can even argue that twin was one of controls best match-ups.
Sure. UWR/URB no longer needs to worry about Twin. But it didn't before... in fact the vast majority of the time the twin matchup for those decks was close to a bye.
Without that "heavily favored" matchup in the meta, URx non-delver decks actually got alot worse.
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No deck got SUBSTANTIALLY better or worse from a deck that was at last count 9% of the meta leaving the format. At the highest levels of competition in top 8s and day 2s your matchups might be better by a few percentage points, but a UWR midrange deck is DESIGNED to prey on these types of decks and can certainly beat more than just Twin.
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I think the statistics proves otherwise. In the previous twin-filled meta: whenever Twin showed up in large numbers so did control. If Twin was lower in numbers... control never got close to top 8ing.
You can see this relationship going far back as the last PT. Now it's too early to tell whether or not a meta can develop that supports URx; however, it can be safely said that the banning of Twin did not help the URx control shell at all.
Also with regards to the SB argument: URx never really had to devote much SB slots to beat twin anyways. As a result they don't really gain anything from the deck no longer being in the format.
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Disagree. The type of interaction that needs to be run maindeck has changed completely. Before the ban it was almost entirely spot removal with sweepers coming in from the side (too high a chance of them being dead game 1 late into a tournament) - the ban opens up that area of the mainboard. It's a subtle change, but one that could prove very impactful.
It is the combination that makes it difficult, not the individual card. If also running counters is not going to get because the discard and aggro are more common in this meta.
There problems don't get any easier. Manlands are just as common, tron still goes over the top, burn and zoo didn't go away. Realistically what is good against the swarm decks of merfolk and affinity or the red decks like burn and zoo is not the same. They still have to pick a set of those match ups to do well in. Also, U/R/x shouldn't have been running rending volley anyways so they didn't free up sideboard slots. U/R/x has a higher land count so they can force removal through and win counter wars.
Even smaller event than the Classic in Atlanta, but interesting nonetheless. Jeskai Control in 1st, Grixis Control with Mystical Teachings in 2nd.
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I like that Grixis list. IMO Blue Moon decks should be looking to splash Black or Green like that one did.
URW Control
WBG Abzan
GRW Burn
EDH
GR Rosheen Meanderer
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It means someone knew the meta and was good enough to wade upstream. We will have to see how things play out, but a meta where Jeskai Control wins a decent sized event is probably the exception. I hope not...I like control, but it has rarely been top dog in Modern (note: I do not consider the Grixis "control" deck of 6 months ago to be control. Not going to derail into an argument, just putting my statement in context).
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Get 'em Jund!
Yeah. That T8/T16 is a mess.
Please Wizards, bring back Birthing Pod and ban Siege Rhino. I'd hate to face 5 Burn decks in a 9 round GP. I probably won't even play Modern TBH if there is an uptick in Burn. I hate that deck much more than Pod, Twin, or Bloom.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I'm definitely not surprised at all. It would've been a miracle if the format didn't go heavily linear in the ban's immediate aftermath. If anything surprises me, it's the pleasant (but not too shocking) surprise of seeing Jund still in the top tables. That's a promising sign of things to come. I also like that URx control is making a showing, even if it's not quite where it needs to be.
Best case scenario: the format self-corrects (as it did in October) towards regulatory strategies. Worst case scenario: we get some unbans to help out lagging strategies and fight back against leading ones.
Still, at least the diversity of the archetypes in the Modern event is better than the numbers in the SCG Legacy Classics:
Delver 5
Shardless 4
Miracles 3
Elves 2
Infect
Now compare that to the Modern classic:
Burn 4
Tron 3
Infect
Scapeshift
Jund
Affinity
Zoo
Kiki Chord
Jeskai Control
Merfolk
I wasn't for the Twin banning, but I say give it time to see if the meta can correct itself. Maybe UWx control will find a way to worm its way back in to police the format (even if its a Wall of Omens, Sun Titan, Finks, Verdict version instead of Snapcaster versions). More unbannings should happen too. If Golgari Grave Troll and Bitterblossom taught us anything, it's that unbannings often are quite safe and good for the format.
Lightning Helix is very good right now. I think people can play UWR and assume that Aggro will knock GR Tron from being able to face your UWR. It's just very boring when the realization that 3-4 Lightning Helix instead of silver bullets is the right call in Kiki Chord's 75.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)It's a bust when the vast majority of the field are linear aggro decks that can count to 20 before they cast Oblivion Sower. A friend of mine plays the BW version and with a great opener, he can do fine, but if he stumbles at all he gets wrecked by those decks.
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Bingo! As a BW Eldrazi player, I would hate to play in a meta like this. Even 2 Burn decks during the Swiss is most likely missing the top 8 that day.
For right now, I feel safer with Bogles, although I noticed in this meta, I have to play it like a Midrange deck. Yes, Bogles is now a Midrange deck.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)However, based on my testing, the extra point of damage really does matter at times. Firespout cleans up Merfolk if they only have one Lord, and it becomes relevant with a few other creatures such as Vengevine, a smallish Goyf, a Scooze that is just beginning to feed on the GY. I agree Pyroclasm is typically better, but the times that I've had Fish or Zoo outclass the Pyroclasm and make it a blank card in my hand due to that one point of damage has made me switch, and one of my friends that plays Tron has begun considering it too for the same reason.