They all would raise the power level of the format. Jace 2.0 especially. If you dont understand that brainstorming for 0 is uber powerful and thats just 1 thing the card can do. When Wotc admits a card is a mistake, it should be banned in all formats and forgotten about.
Meek and AV would shift the power in the format. I know you dont think so but many do. Meek is a flat out oppressive card, has been since it was broken. Av is free card advantage which we all know wins games, especially for control type decks.
But there are still plenty of cards in modern that they admitted were mistakes. Bloodbraid Elf and Tarmogoyf among them. Should they be banned as well by that philosophy?
But there are still plenty of cards in modern that they admitted were mistakes. Bloodbraid Elf and Tarmogoyf among them. Should they be banned as well by that philosophy?
Those cards are powerful but not ban worthy. Goyf has survived multiple formats and seasons and hasn't gotten a ban and BBE only sees play in Jund. Most of the cards being mentioned would see play in multiple decks and change the format considerably. That's why people are uneasy about them; because the change can be more negative than it could be positive.
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But there are still plenty of cards in modern that they admitted were mistakes. Bloodbraid Elf and Tarmogoyf among them. Should they be banned as well by that philosophy?
Comparing Jace 2.0 to goyf or BBE is like comparing a diamond to coal.
Goyf is a good beater in the right deck that can dump cards in the graveyard early. It has no ETB effects and is easily played around. Granted it can be a powerful card if a deck is built correct. Has to swing to bring the power.
BBE is only powerful if you can set up your cascade. If you cant its too luck based to rally be powerful. Again, if you can build a deck where you are not upset by any card you cascade into, its powerful. Needs to swing to bring the power in most cases.
If Jace 2.0 resolves it an and will do something relevant to the board that turn. In most cases its enough to turn the game that turn.
There are mistakes, and there are MISTAKES. I really wouldnt care if they banned every card they have said were flat out mistakes. Because in most cases those mistakes narrow deck building and tilt the format toward a certain stratagy. I am not asking for BBE and GOYF to be banned, just wouldnt be heart broke if Wotc said they were not allowed in competitive play anymore.
I don't need testings, turn 1 AV makes delver win every time.
Woah, you're game theory rivals that of Patrick Chapin.
Please tell me, oh powerful knower, does turn 2 Dark Confidant make Jund win every single time? Does turn 1 Goblin Guide make mono-red win every single time?
Woah, you're game theory rivals that of Patrick Chapin.
Please tell me, oh powerful knower, does turn 2 Dark Confidant make Jund win every single time? Does turn 1 Goblin Guide make mono-red win every single time?
Also, who actually shot JFK, and are ghosts real?
LMAO. That was awesome. In the defense of a poster I don't even like, though, turn 1 AV isn't comparable to a turn 2 Bob or t1 Goblin Guide. Those are both really strong plays but turn 1 AV against anything not running counter magic is always going to be a +2 upon resolution without any mana investment. Bob and Guide are easier dealt with than that.
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Quick someone suggest the unbanning of Hypergenesis and Mental Misstep so we can get a flame fest going on.
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Ok. I honestly don't see Mental Misstep as very dangerous. It was painful in legacy because it made decks that heavily relied on one drops (like Aether Vial, Goblin Lackey, High Tide etc.) unplayable, simply because it made every deck better by being able to deal with opposing missteps and buying enough time to drop a SFM into Batterskull into JTMS or a Natural Order into Progenitus for the win. I don't see this happing in modern anytime soon. I don't think the format is that reliant on the one mana slot. If someone disagrees, feel free to offer me a list that proves me wrong.
We'll never know because it was insta-banned.
However I feel the card is incredibly degenerate and narrow and it just another card you have to think about when designing your decks. Not at all comparable with "Do my creatures get pwned by Lightning Bolt". Much more so. Also, we have Snapcaster Mage now. Misstep is never, ever, getting unbanned. Even if it slows the pace of modern down considerably just by existing.
Still we'll never know. Preemptive bans ftw.
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WotC chose to focus more on the fact that it was a horrible pox on Legacy and completely ignored the fact that it wasn't really a big deal elsewhere (Standard, for instance).
Modern is closer to 'elsewhere' than Legacy. The curve of playability goes much, much higher and I don't think Misstep would really cause too much of a mess. Heck, back when Modern began, it was barely a sidedeck card. It's sole purpose was countering Thoughtseize.
Yea, that kills me. Personally, I think that in this between season period they should experiment with some unbans to give them a chance- one of which being MM. I have no doubt that many, perhaps most, of the preemptive bans should be in place, but I want to have the chance to discover it for myself. If they unbanned a few cards, like one or two, for a month at a time, then we could actually see the impact and no harm would be done. I know this will never happen, but it could be a huge benefit to the community- the people that want a more aggressive banlist will be able to point to "Misstep June" when people want something unbanned, that the cards that prove to be fine will enter the meta. No more comparing Modern to any other format.
Misstep could easily be unbanned in modern. Sure it would slow the format down, but this isn't such a bad thing.
Other decks can emerge that take advantage of the small costed spells being squelched.
What it does is cause the metagame to completely change. Legacy was beginning to change with misstep in the format, but it never got the chance to fully explore what it was capable of before wizards banned it. They knew players weren't prepared for such a change to take place in the format that many were already happy with.
I think modern is a ripe enough to institute the card and see what is can really do in an eternal format, at least to shake things up a bit. I believe the card is honestly the forbidden fruit that is so scary to some.
Preemptive bans are better than "let's see if it's broken" because if it's broken I can't play the format until the next freaking ban list announcement which is every 3 months. If they could revise the ban list every 2 or 3 weeks it'd be much better.
Unbanning misstep is actually even more stupid than jitte or even jace. Reasons are the same as in legacy. It'd be a bit less broken than in legacy where blue decks could just cycle it with fow and brainstorm when in mid/late game, but not by much.
I love casting thoughtseize, so I don't want misstep. That being said I'd just deal with it the way I deal with any counter spell: slowly place the spell on the stack with a look of agony on my face as I ask "does it resolve?"
But the concern for misstep is that it would warp the meta because it's a "free" counter spell. I played legacy during misstep era (vial goblins at that) and guess what, I ran 4 missteps just to counter misstep, like everyone else was doing. BUT there is a very real risk of decks starting at x4 misstep. I believe wizards is trying avoid cards that potentially read "use or lose"
Just as a side tangent; control isn't dead. Blue is control but control is not blue.
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misstep would be pretty bad. the majority of played removal, hand disruption, and aggro creatures are all boned by the card. that being said, i would totally play the card if it was legal.
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I like the conversation we're having and I'm glad no one is insulting each other's intelligence but, even though I'm a blue mage I can not find a single good reason to unban Misstep. It's so oppressive to fast aggro decks. Think about what it would do to RDW and what is left of Zoo? Think about what Delver could do with this card with Snapcaster Mage? What's worse is think about how Modern would change just by it's existence. The format is better refined and decks are already established. Sure, it doesn't hurt Tron and a few other decks but what I haven't seen mentioned is that any deck can use Misstep.
The real question is how slow do we want this format? What is acceptable as far as utility and versatility? Because if you unban Misstep you have to keep that in mind every single time you go to sleeve a deck up. This has nothing to do with it's impact in Legacy, modern isn't defined by cards like Brainstorm, Stifle, Ponder, Nimble Mongoose, & Mother of Runes because we don't have those cards. You can use that as an acceptable counter argument to Misstep being okay for Modern but consider this;
It stops:
Thoughtseize Goblin Guide
Lightning Bolt
Raven's Crime
Delver of Secrets Noble Hierarch
Inquisition of Kozilek Spell Snare
These are all cards that effectively glue a deck together and often belong in decks that need them on turn one consistently to be able to be able to deal with powerful mid range decks like Loam and Tron.
I agree with the ban in Legacy and you won't find many Legacy players who don't share my view. The format where Misstep was banned was absolutely terrible.
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So I forgot about the 3 bolded cards. But I on't think that it would put an end to any deck. Look at Standard. There's a deck that is glued together by Delvers, Gut Shots and Vapor Snags. Mental Misstep sees no play.
I don't really see how MM would be anything more than a questionable sideboard card.
Also, no one will ever complain about Raven's Crime getting hit by Mental Misstep.
I realize Raven's Crime isn't a good target now LOL. I was just trying to find a strong card in Loam that Misstep hurts, where as I should have bolded IoK. Modern is uncomparable to standard and Delver is just one deck. And, FYI, I play Delver and side Missteps in against Delver every time game 2 and they help considerably. They also help vs Boros Humans. It's impact in standard isn't wide spread and degenrate because we have decks like WRR and Esper Tokens that don't give a damn about Misstep.
Standard isn't Modern. Not by a long shot, even if a lot of people want the power level to be near the same and as far away from Legacy as possible.
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Modern also isn't Legacy. There is no reason for thinlking the format would become "play Misstep or play no one drops". Few decks are that heavily reliant on the one mana slot. The card may very well be powerful, but I see no good reason for thinking that it would be too powerful and/or format warping.
As the format goes on and on, it will look more and more like Legacy, as players flock to the most efficient spells. We've seen Misstep absolutely wreck a format before, and there's really no upside to unbanning the card. It's not like it's Jace, where it's a card people enjoy playing, or AV, which enables a type of deck that's probably not so viable right now. It's the type card that will eventually need to be banned, even if it doesn't necessarily need to be right now.
As the format goes on and on, it will look more and more like Legacy, as players flock to the most efficient spells. We've seen Misstep absolutely wreck a format before, and there's really no upside to unbanning the card. It's not like it's Jace, where it's a card people enjoy playing, or AV, which enables a type of deck that's probably not so viable right now. It's the type card that will eventually need to be banned, even if it doesn't necessarily need to be right now.
I really agree with this. I think people (myself included) think too much on if a card could be (un)banned, not whether it should be (un)banned. Could MM be unbanned? Probably, yeah. It wouldn't do anything really productive for the format. Is there a deck that could exist that doesn't right now with it being available? I can't think of one. Having a smaller ban-list isn't necessarily an indicator of a better format, so I'd think any argument for the unbanning of a card would have to show that the metagame would be more diverse/balanced/wide because of it.
Modern also isn't Legacy. There is no reason for thinlking the format would become "play Misstep or play no one drops". Few decks are that heavily reliant on the one mana slot. The card may very well be powerful, but I see no good reason for thinking that it would be too powerful and/or format warping.
You have to ask yourself how fast the format is and how many 1 drops are used in the competitive decks. Wotc has admitted MM was a mistake. Why do people insist on clamoring for broken, degenerate, oppressive cards in a diverse format. Once Wotc figures out they have created a mutant broken card, they should ban it in every format and go about business as if it was never, ever dreamed up. The players should do the same. Just my opinion.;)
It would be the same as it was in legacy, every deck would run 4. There is no reason for any deck to not run a full set. I'd love to play with misstep but surely it would be ubiquitous and people would be unhappy.
It would be the same as it was in legacy, every deck would run 4. There is no reason for any deck to not run a full set. I'd love to play with misstep but surely it would be ubiquitous and people would be unhappy.
Of course they would be unhappy...they are magic players...
You have to ask yourself how fast the format is and how many 1 drops are used in the competitive decks. Wotc has admitted MM was a mistake. Why do people insist on clamoring for broken, degenerate, oppressive cards in a diverse format. Once Wotc figures out they have created a mutant broken card, they should ban it in every format and go about business as if it was never, ever dreamed up. The players should do the same. Just my opinion.;)
That out look is terrible and modern isn't the diverse format you think it is. The best decks are clearly defined and have a large advantage over the field. MTGO daily results don't mean crap in competitive magic, especially when they are no larger than your average FNM. I don't know where you guys are getting these opinions from and I would be happy to rebuke my statement if I am wrong but I do not see some clear, magical christmas land of a format like a lot of you are making it out to be. The best decks and best cards are as obvious now as they were when Modern was first released (Say for Delver and Tiago who came later.) Btw I am by no means saying modern isn't a "good" format based on these top decks.
PT Barcelona was Affinity, Twin, Jund and Tron. I watched every match of the top 8 and Twin won. A deck that has been clearly great for almost a year now and doesn't look like it's going to get any less better as time goes on. Same with Affinity and the same with Jund.
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That out look is terrible and modern isn't the diverse format you think it is. The best decks are clearly defined and have a large advantage over the field. MTGO daily results don't mean crap in competitive magic, especially when they are no larger than your average FNM. I don't know where you guys are getting these opinions from and I would be happy to rebuke my statement if I am wrong but I do not see some clear, magical christmas land of a format like a lot of you are making it out to be. The best decks and best cards are as obvious now as they were when Modern was first released (Say for Delver and Tiago who came later.) Btw I am by no means saying modern isn't a "good" format based on these top decks.
PT Barcelona was Affinity, Twin, Jund and Tron. I watched every match of the top 8 and Twin won. A deck that has been clearly great for almost a year now and doesn't look like it's going to get any less better as time goes on. Same with Affinity and the same with Jund.
I don't doubt you, but do you have a site with decklists for the top8? I just want to see some of the card choices.
Anyways...
The results, even at higher level tournies, that each deck puts up varies greatly from month to month. The recent PTQ season is a perfect example of that. Twin, at first, was putting up great numbers at first. Then it's spots at the top started to get thinner and thinner as time went on. Now, if what you say is correct, its back up there. But it certianly wasn't "great for an almost a year". More like "great for a while, then bad for a while with meta adjustments, then good again on and off over the span of a year". Same thing happened with Tron. When it first came out PTQ's were dropping left and right to it. A little while later? It won a few but no where near the same rate. Storm had the same thing happen. At first it was killing it. At one point it was tied for second place in the number of PTQ wins, then the meta adjusted. It disappeared for a month or two and then just like dredge it popped back up.
The best decks and best cards are as obvious now as they were when Modern was first released (Say for Delver and Tiago who came later.)
This is just false. All the pieces for Tron (save for unburrial rites, which wasn't even run in many lists like the U/R and R/G) were available at the beginning. Tron is one of the decks that was very late to the format, certianly not at the beginning. After the banning of ponder and pre-ordain many thought storm was dead. They were wrong and it re-emerged later. Boros wasn't even on the map in the beginning. PTQ season starts and its the first one out of the gates. Now? Its a joke (kind of). Loam made its debut in a GP after many PTQ's had already gone by.
The best decks and best cards are as obvious now as they were when Modern was first released (Say for Delver and Tiago who came later.)
This shows an incredibly amount of ignorance as to how the format developed. Tron, for instance, wasn't a deck because Cloudpost was legal. (And the two decks are very different in how they approach the mana ramp, even if both are capable of T3 Karn. The post-philly bans radically altered the layout of the format.
But there are still plenty of cards in modern that they admitted were mistakes. Bloodbraid Elf and Tarmogoyf among them. Should they be banned as well by that philosophy?
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Those cards are powerful but not ban worthy. Goyf has survived multiple formats and seasons and hasn't gotten a ban and BBE only sees play in Jund. Most of the cards being mentioned would see play in multiple decks and change the format considerably. That's why people are uneasy about them; because the change can be more negative than it could be positive.
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Comparing Jace 2.0 to goyf or BBE is like comparing a diamond to coal.
Goyf is a good beater in the right deck that can dump cards in the graveyard early. It has no ETB effects and is easily played around. Granted it can be a powerful card if a deck is built correct. Has to swing to bring the power.
BBE is only powerful if you can set up your cascade. If you cant its too luck based to rally be powerful. Again, if you can build a deck where you are not upset by any card you cascade into, its powerful. Needs to swing to bring the power in most cases.
If Jace 2.0 resolves it an and will do something relevant to the board that turn. In most cases its enough to turn the game that turn.
There are mistakes, and there are MISTAKES. I really wouldnt care if they banned every card they have said were flat out mistakes. Because in most cases those mistakes narrow deck building and tilt the format toward a certain stratagy. I am not asking for BBE and GOYF to be banned, just wouldnt be heart broke if Wotc said they were not allowed in competitive play anymore.
Woah, you're game theory rivals that of Patrick Chapin.
Please tell me, oh powerful knower, does turn 2 Dark Confidant make Jund win every single time? Does turn 1 Goblin Guide make mono-red win every single time?
Also, who actually shot JFK, and are ghosts real?
LMAO. That was awesome. In the defense of a poster I don't even like, though, turn 1 AV isn't comparable to a turn 2 Bob or t1 Goblin Guide. Those are both really strong plays but turn 1 AV against anything not running counter magic is always going to be a +2 upon resolution without any mana investment. Bob and Guide are easier dealt with than that.
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At least now it's not completely dead.
Quick someone suggest the unbanning of Hypergenesis and Mental Misstep so we can get a flame fest going on.
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We'll never know because it was insta-banned.
However I feel the card is incredibly degenerate and narrow and it just another card you have to think about when designing your decks. Not at all comparable with "Do my creatures get pwned by Lightning Bolt". Much more so. Also, we have Snapcaster Mage now. Misstep is never, ever, getting unbanned. Even if it slows the pace of modern down considerably just by existing.
Still we'll never know. Preemptive bans ftw.
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WotC chose to focus more on the fact that it was a horrible pox on Legacy and completely ignored the fact that it wasn't really a big deal elsewhere (Standard, for instance).
Modern is closer to 'elsewhere' than Legacy. The curve of playability goes much, much higher and I don't think Misstep would really cause too much of a mess. Heck, back when Modern began, it was barely a sidedeck card. It's sole purpose was countering Thoughtseize.
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Other decks can emerge that take advantage of the small costed spells being squelched.
What it does is cause the metagame to completely change. Legacy was beginning to change with misstep in the format, but it never got the chance to fully explore what it was capable of before wizards banned it. They knew players weren't prepared for such a change to take place in the format that many were already happy with.
I think modern is a ripe enough to institute the card and see what is can really do in an eternal format, at least to shake things up a bit. I believe the card is honestly the forbidden fruit that is so scary to some.
Unbanning misstep is actually even more stupid than jitte or even jace. Reasons are the same as in legacy. It'd be a bit less broken than in legacy where blue decks could just cycle it with fow and brainstorm when in mid/late game, but not by much.
But the concern for misstep is that it would warp the meta because it's a "free" counter spell. I played legacy during misstep era (vial goblins at that) and guess what, I ran 4 missteps just to counter misstep, like everyone else was doing. BUT there is a very real risk of decks starting at x4 misstep. I believe wizards is trying avoid cards that potentially read "use or lose"
Just as a side tangent; control isn't dead. Blue is control but control is not blue.
The real question is how slow do we want this format? What is acceptable as far as utility and versatility? Because if you unban Misstep you have to keep that in mind every single time you go to sleeve a deck up. This has nothing to do with it's impact in Legacy, modern isn't defined by cards like Brainstorm, Stifle, Ponder, Nimble Mongoose, & Mother of Runes because we don't have those cards. You can use that as an acceptable counter argument to Misstep being okay for Modern but consider this;
It stops:
Thoughtseize
Goblin Guide
Lightning Bolt
Raven's Crime
Delver of Secrets
Noble Hierarch
Inquisition of Kozilek
Spell Snare
These are all cards that effectively glue a deck together and often belong in decks that need them on turn one consistently to be able to be able to deal with powerful mid range decks like Loam and Tron.
I agree with the ban in Legacy and you won't find many Legacy players who don't share my view. The format where Misstep was banned was absolutely terrible.
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I realize Raven's Crime isn't a good target now LOL. I was just trying to find a strong card in Loam that Misstep hurts, where as I should have bolded IoK. Modern is uncomparable to standard and Delver is just one deck. And, FYI, I play Delver and side Missteps in against Delver every time game 2 and they help considerably. They also help vs Boros Humans. It's impact in standard isn't wide spread and degenrate because we have decks like WRR and Esper Tokens that don't give a damn about Misstep.
Standard isn't Modern. Not by a long shot, even if a lot of people want the power level to be near the same and as far away from Legacy as possible.
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As the format goes on and on, it will look more and more like Legacy, as players flock to the most efficient spells. We've seen Misstep absolutely wreck a format before, and there's really no upside to unbanning the card. It's not like it's Jace, where it's a card people enjoy playing, or AV, which enables a type of deck that's probably not so viable right now. It's the type card that will eventually need to be banned, even if it doesn't necessarily need to be right now.
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I really agree with this. I think people (myself included) think too much on if a card could be (un)banned, not whether it should be (un)banned. Could MM be unbanned? Probably, yeah. It wouldn't do anything really productive for the format. Is there a deck that could exist that doesn't right now with it being available? I can't think of one. Having a smaller ban-list isn't necessarily an indicator of a better format, so I'd think any argument for the unbanning of a card would have to show that the metagame would be more diverse/balanced/wide because of it.
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You have to ask yourself how fast the format is and how many 1 drops are used in the competitive decks. Wotc has admitted MM was a mistake. Why do people insist on clamoring for broken, degenerate, oppressive cards in a diverse format. Once Wotc figures out they have created a mutant broken card, they should ban it in every format and go about business as if it was never, ever dreamed up.
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That out look is terrible and modern isn't the diverse format you think it is. The best decks are clearly defined and have a large advantage over the field. MTGO daily results don't mean crap in competitive magic, especially when they are no larger than your average FNM. I don't know where you guys are getting these opinions from and I would be happy to rebuke my statement if I am wrong but I do not see some clear, magical christmas land of a format like a lot of you are making it out to be. The best decks and best cards are as obvious now as they were when Modern was first released (Say for Delver and Tiago who came later.) Btw I am by no means saying modern isn't a "good" format based on these top decks.
PT Barcelona was Affinity, Twin, Jund and Tron. I watched every match of the top 8 and Twin won. A deck that has been clearly great for almost a year now and doesn't look like it's going to get any less better as time goes on. Same with Affinity and the same with Jund.
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Anyways...
The results, even at higher level tournies, that each deck puts up varies greatly from month to month. The recent PTQ season is a perfect example of that. Twin, at first, was putting up great numbers at first. Then it's spots at the top started to get thinner and thinner as time went on. Now, if what you say is correct, its back up there. But it certianly wasn't "great for an almost a year". More like "great for a while, then bad for a while with meta adjustments, then good again on and off over the span of a year". Same thing happened with Tron. When it first came out PTQ's were dropping left and right to it. A little while later? It won a few but no where near the same rate. Storm had the same thing happen. At first it was killing it. At one point it was tied for second place in the number of PTQ wins, then the meta adjusted. It disappeared for a month or two and then just like dredge it popped back up.
This is just false. All the pieces for Tron (save for unburrial rites, which wasn't even run in many lists like the U/R and R/G) were available at the beginning. Tron is one of the decks that was very late to the format, certianly not at the beginning. After the banning of ponder and pre-ordain many thought storm was dead. They were wrong and it re-emerged later. Boros wasn't even on the map in the beginning. PTQ season starts and its the first one out of the gates. Now? Its a joke (kind of). Loam made its debut in a GP after many PTQ's had already gone by.
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