Why can't this poll let me say that nothing will be unbanned, but at least one thing will be banned? And why does this thread only talk about unbannings, but also let you vote on things being banned? Misleading. That will skew results.
Deathrite won't be banned. It's good, but it's not part of a combo and it's not influencing everyone to play him. There's a healthy balance of decks that are winning without, and against decks with, DRS. I can see something in eggs getting banned, for several of the reasons already provided in the comments above.
As for what I think might be unbanned...I think Preordain has a slim chance, along with Bitterblossom. There's healthy enchantment hate in the format, and electrolyze being played, and sweepers. Also it might be what Faeries need to push them into Tier 1.
Personally, I'd love to see GSZ unbanned; I think Chord of Calling is as dangerous or possibly more dangerous, considering it's an instant, and Wizards thinks Chord is perfectly fine. Anyway, my opinions; don't have much knowledge of reasons for previous bannings, but I can't see the format affected too much by the cards I've chosen above.
There is so much token hate floating around now that I think it's safe enough to unban Bitterblossom. I don't expect any other changes unless the DCI opts to do something about Eggs.
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Golgari Grave-Troll is the most likely. It goes into zero Tier 1 decks, and the power it lends to the decks it can go into likely isn't enough to launch them into Tier 1.
Bitterblossom and Preordain are probably the second most likely ones.
So random thought, I'm an eggs player and really hope the deck doesn't get banned (if so it would be the third modern deck I've picked up that got banned... the first two being infect shoal and 12post). I'll probably be done with the format if eggs gets a crippling ban.
Anyways though, if it had to have something banned... what about Echoing Truth? That's the goto card to deal with hate against the deck.
Bitterblossom could come off. Ratchet Bomb and Illness in the Ranks are extremely solid sideboard card against a few decks, namely BW tokens and soul sisters. In fact, Illness keeps you losing life every turn.
Id love to see Wild Nacatl, Bitterblossom and Golgari Grave-Troll get unbanned and i dont think anything needs to be banned, but wizards hates combo, so honest prediction: Reshape is banned, nothing unbanned
That would be the perfect targetted card if eggs did get anything banned. You are brilliant.
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Updating this to the OP. This thread is now open to talk about the bans, strictly what happens in todays announcement.
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First they came for the Cantrips, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Cantrip.
Then they came for the Artifacts, and I didn't speak up, because I was an Instant.
Then they came for the Rituals, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't really a Ritual.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
So random thought, I'm an eggs player and really hope the deck doesn't get banned (if so it would be the third modern deck I've picked up that got banned... the first two being infect shoal and 12post). I'll probably be done with the format if eggs gets a crippling ban.
Anyways though, if it had to have something banned... what about Echoing Truth? That's the goto card to deal with hate against the deck.
They won't ban Echoing Truth. That card can see play in other decks.
It'll have to be something very specific that makes eggs work, but doesn't break other decks. Or break Eggs for that matter.
My money is on Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward.
Which to keep?
Faith's Reward: More expensive, forces the Eggs player to spend an extra mana to get things going. One sided refresh though. This looks like the obvious choice.
Second Sunrise: The symmetrical (lol) refresh would actually matter if someone had an answer in their hand and could fetch land into the mana needed to use it. May still allow some early wins though with a God enough hand.
It'll have to be something very specific that makes eggs work, but doesn't break other decks. Or break Eggs for that matter.
My money is on Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward.
Which to keep?
Faith's Reward: More expensive, forces the Eggs player to spend an extra mana to get things going. One sided refresh though. This looks like the obvious choice.
Second Sunrise: The symmetrical (lol) refresh would actually matter if someone had an answer in their hand and could fetch land into the mana needed to use it. May still allow some early wins though with a God enough hand.
I find it funny how everyone thinks these cards will get banned when Free Mana is the fundamental problem in that deck. The deck cannot operate without Lotus Bloom, and it cannot operate at the beyond competitive speed without Reshape. Your ban is within those two cards.
I find it funny how everyone thinks these cards will get banned when Free Mana is the fundamental problem in that deck. The deck cannot operate without Lotus Bloom, and it cannot operate at the beyond competitive speed without Reshape. Your ban is within those two cards.
I'd like to think they're not about to murder an entire deck. Simply nerf it to fit into the T4 rules of modern. Possibly allowing solutions that were "too slow" to deal with it to actually be viable.
I find it funny how everyone thinks these cards will get banned when Free Mana is the fundamental problem in that deck. The deck cannot operate without Lotus Bloom, and it cannot operate at the beyond competitive speed without Reshape. Your ban is within those two cards.
Isn't the point not to kill Eggs but just to cripple it so that it can't manage the turn-two and turn-three kills that can occasionally occur?
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First they came for the Cantrips, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Cantrip.
Then they came for the Artifacts, and I didn't speak up, because I was an Instant.
Then they came for the Rituals, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't really a Ritual.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
I think GGT is a safe bet. As has been said already, his ban did not affect the format, and will barely affect it if he is unbanned. Sounds pretty safe to me.
I also voted for AV. Never played with the card, but I've seen decent arguments for it. If a control player is wasting mana and a card in his early turns casting this, he has even less answers to fight off the turn 4 aggro/combo deck. In my experience, midrange vs control comes down to 1 or 2 cards left in control's hand. Maybe AV requires a fair amount of timing and skill to effectively use it. Or maybe not, never played with it.
Wild nacatl has been basically replaced by Experiment One in zoo. Another reason it was banned is because it forces aggro to go GWR for nacatl's amazing efficieny, severely limiting deck building options
JTMS is so expensive I doubt they will make modern look harder to get into.
I hope BB does not return. Enchantments are much harder to interact with, especially when fae has at least 8 ways to protect it.
Edit: I hope something from EGGs is banned. I never have fun playing against it.
The same is true against storm, before and after banning a (yes, it is still around.) it's simply not fun to watch your opponents play solitaire.
I'd say Preordain, Bitterblossom, and Wild Nacatl are the least offensive. Zenith I really doubt because of Deathrite Shaman.
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Umm.... I'm not going to say anything.
I think there are a lot of directions that WOTC can go.
Deathrite won't be banned. It's good, but it's not part of a combo and it's not influencing everyone to play him. There's a healthy balance of decks that are winning without, and against decks with, DRS. I can see something in eggs getting banned, for several of the reasons already provided in the comments above.
As for what I think might be unbanned...I think Preordain has a slim chance, along with Bitterblossom. There's healthy enchantment hate in the format, and electrolyze being played, and sweepers. Also it might be what Faeries need to push them into Tier 1.
Personally, I'd love to see GSZ unbanned; I think Chord of Calling is as dangerous or possibly more dangerous, considering it's an instant, and Wizards thinks Chord is perfectly fine. Anyway, my opinions; don't have much knowledge of reasons for previous bannings, but I can't see the format affected too much by the cards I've chosen above.
UWRUWR Midrange/GeistRWU
Retired
GWBMelira PodBWG
none
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UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
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BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
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Bitterblossom and Preordain are probably the second most likely ones.
Anyways though, if it had to have something banned... what about Echoing Truth? That's the goto card to deal with hate against the deck.
Note: It does not bode well for me that every card I chose has an existing acronym.
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That would be the perfect targetted card if eggs did get anything banned. You are brilliant.
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They won't ban Echoing Truth. That card can see play in other decks.
Remember when they banned BBE?
It'll have to be something very specific that makes eggs work, but doesn't break other decks. Or break Eggs for that matter.
My money is on Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward.
Which to keep?
Faith's Reward: More expensive, forces the Eggs player to spend an extra mana to get things going. One sided refresh though. This looks like the obvious choice.
Second Sunrise: The symmetrical (lol) refresh would actually matter if someone had an answer in their hand and could fetch land into the mana needed to use it. May still allow some early wins though with a God enough hand.
I find it funny how everyone thinks these cards will get banned when Free Mana is the fundamental problem in that deck. The deck cannot operate without Lotus Bloom, and it cannot operate at the beyond competitive speed without Reshape. Your ban is within those two cards.
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I'd like to think they're not about to murder an entire deck. Simply nerf it to fit into the T4 rules of modern. Possibly allowing solutions that were "too slow" to deal with it to actually be viable.
Isn't the point not to kill Eggs but just to cripple it so that it can't manage the turn-two and turn-three kills that can occasionally occur?
It' can't do any of those things from the free mana problem. Right?
I think GGT is a safe bet. As has been said already, his ban did not affect the format, and will barely affect it if he is unbanned. Sounds pretty safe to me.
I also voted for AV. Never played with the card, but I've seen decent arguments for it. If a control player is wasting mana and a card in his early turns casting this, he has even less answers to fight off the turn 4 aggro/combo deck. In my experience, midrange vs control comes down to 1 or 2 cards left in control's hand. Maybe AV requires a fair amount of timing and skill to effectively use it. Or maybe not, never played with it.
Wild nacatl has been basically replaced by Experiment One in zoo. Another reason it was banned is because it forces aggro to go GWR for nacatl's amazing efficieny, severely limiting deck building options
JTMS is so expensive I doubt they will make modern look harder to get into.
I hope BB does not return. Enchantments are much harder to interact with, especially when fae has at least 8 ways to protect it.
Edit: I hope something from EGGs is banned. I never have fun playing against it.
The same is true against storm, before and after banning a (yes, it is still around.) it's simply not fun to watch your opponents play solitaire.