Mono Black Discard in Modern

  • #1
    Hello,
    I have been playing in a local store with this mono black deck, mainly focusing on disruption (especially hand disruption via discard spells and abilities).

    I'm on a short budget, so no Dark Confidant or Thoughtseize for me, at least for now. This is my deck so far:

    Sandokan's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    Lands (20)
    20 Swamp

    Creatures (20)
    4 Bloodghast
    4 Ravenous Rats
    4 Nyxathid
    4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
    4 Hypnotic Specter

    Spells (22)
    4 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Duress
    4 Wrench Mind
    4 Smallpox
    3 Smother
    3 Go for the Throat

    Artifacts (4)
    4 The Rack



    What I'm lacking is a good sideboard selection (mainly some graveyard hate, but I'm waiting for some Tormod's Crypts and Leyline of the Void)

    I'd like to tune up a bit this deck, as I really like playing this disruptive style and I'd like to keep mono black whenever possible, as I don't own any dual land or any fetchlands.

    In my metagame, I have decks like Zoo ("tribal flames" kind), Kiki-Twin, Living End, Aggro-Bant and some lower tier decks like zombies, burn or elves
    I managed to get some victories, nonetheless. Mainly against combo decks (obvious weakness to discard/disruption).

    If anybody can suggest different cards to try, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Or maybe replace some of my cards for better ones (with the exception of the two I named before or others in the $20 or higher, I can't afford those right now). As I said, I like the disruptive playstyle of this kind of decks, so anything in that direction should be welcome. Main problems are the lack of life gaining and card drawing engines (I'm thinking on getting some Phyrexian Arena, but in that case, I'm not very sure on what to take out from the deck).

    In short, what I would like from the vast knowledge of this forum is:
    - ideas on sideboard
    - card drawing and life gaining (or alternatively, answers to aggro decks)
    - ideas on deck thinning

    Thanks a lot for your help!
  • #2
    One of the best cards for discard decks is Ensnaring Bridge. This turns off what aggro that does get down.
  • #3
    Tendrils of Corruption could easily be used mainboard in place of some existing removal, it gains life and by the time you can cast it you can answer most creatures with it. I would try 2x, cutting a Go for the Throat and a Smother.

    Further potential lifegain, Vampire Nighthawk. It's a beast in it's own right, with each attack swinging combat 4 points in your favor.

    If you don't mind slowing the deck down you could also find room for some Corrupt as it's a bit of an alternate win condition.

    As for draw power, there are a number of budget options. Phyrexian Rager, and if you look he has a bigger brother with a stronger effect. Dream Salvage, though looking at it the best your likely to net is 3 cards and it becomes unusable later on.

    Alter's Reap might work with Bloodghast. Sign in Blood, Night's Whisper, Scarscale Ritual, and my favorite, Dusk Urchins all seem like fine choices.

    Maralen of the Mornsong, or Bloodgift Demon might work for draw power.

    As for sideboard suggestions, I've only two at the moment. Slay, buy these and run them. Also, Execute is worth considering.
    Last edited by Korlithiel: 1/5/2012 12:55:08 PM
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  • #4
    You will need away around Leyline Of Sanctity. I second the Ensnaring Bridge idea, Loxodon Warhammer, Basilisk Collar Would help with loss of life. Soul Spike might work with Ensnaring Bridge.
  • #5
    Ratchet Bomb is an effective, and fairly budget friendly answer to leylines. Slow, sure. But you are in mono black, and options are limited.

    If you cut Nyxathid then your deck is fairly friendly toward Ensnaring Bridge. I'm not fond of it as an answer since your deck is full of 3CMC drops, and so it won't be particularly meaningful if you drop it early and zoo already mainboards Qasali Pridemage so it's effect against aggro is limited.
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  • #6
    This thread mentions a lot of card choices and different directions this type of deck could go:
    http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=380253&highlight=mind+wrench
  • #7
    Quote from Korlithiel
    Ratchet Bomb is an effective, and fairly budget friendly answer to leylines. Slow, sure. But you are in mono black, and options are limited.

    If you cut Nyxathid then your deck is fairly friendly toward Ensnaring Bridge. I'm not fond of it as an answer since your deck is full of 3CMC drops, and so it won't be particularly meaningful if you drop it early and zoo already mainboards Qasali Pridemage so it's effect against aggro is limited.
    Ratchet Bomb will work so will Oblivion Stone. Good point about Pridemage but with discard the opponet would almost have to topdeck it. Ensnaring Bridge would be best as a two of in this deck or coming out of the Sideboard I think.

    Haakon, Stromgald Scourge + Nameless Inversion are repeatable creature kill so is Garza Assassin.
    Last edited by prismatic elf: 1/5/2012 3:45:06 PM
  • #8
    This is a deck i have fun with. you really need to know your meta though. If you don't know every card in your opponents deck (Not including super secret tech) after a turn 1 thoughtseize, you aren't going to win. Anyway the plan is to rip plan A and plan B out of thier hand and deck, then laugh as there wasn't enough space for a plan C, dark confidant and phyrexian arena should put you well ahead.

    danman's DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    Lands:
    20 Swamp

    Creatures:
    4 Phyrexian Obliterator
    4 Dark Confidant
    4 Vampire Nighthawk

    Other Spells:
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Duress
    2 Inquisition of Kozilek
    4 Extirpate
    2 Surgical Extraction
    2 Memoricide
    4 Doom Blade
    2 Phyrexian Arena
    4 Scepter of Fugue

    Last edited by danman: 1/5/2012 4:07:23 PM
    Current Standard Decks
    UR Izzet AggroRU
    GB G/B Aggro BG

    Modern
    GBW Melira Pod GBW
    UB Affinity UB
    GU Infect UG

    Legacy
    UB Affinity UB
    WUG Bant WUG
  • #9
    you can also look at the MBC thread which has recently become Monoblack Pox thread (unofficially, ofcourse).

    although Leyline really does murder you, Geth's Verdict is pretty good since many creatures like Mirran Crusader, Geist and Kira, Great Glass Spinner are all untargetable and big pains on board.

    if money is an obstacle then you really can't play a MBC deck that's competitive. If its just for FNMs then your list looks ok.
  • #10
    Wow, a ton of suggestions!
    Thanks a lot for all the input!

    About money, I know what you say, it's very difficult to get even near to a competitive deck without putting in a decent sum of money (I'm from Argentina, so the cards are really expensive here or I have to pay great sums in terms of international shippings when purchasing expensive cards).

    BUT... if I decide which cards are really A MUST, maybe I can try to get those. For example, thoughtseize is a staple in black discard, so I can't go wrong by getting it, despite it's high prize.

    What other cards could really be a must have in this list?
  • #11
    I would say Dark Confidant. I would make some proxys and test each card before buying anything. Here's another card that could work in your deck Augur Of Skulls .
  • #12
    Quote from prismatic elf
    I would say Dark Confidant. I would make some proxys and test each card before buying anything. Here's another card that could work in your deck Augur Of Skulls .


    Instead of dark confidant you could do phyrexian arena, its slower, but you will take less damage, harder for opponent to deal with, and way less $$$$.
    Current Standard Decks
    UR Izzet AggroRU
    GB G/B Aggro BG

    Modern
    GBW Melira Pod GBW
    UB Affinity UB
    GU Infect UG

    Legacy
    UB Affinity UB
    WUG Bant WUG
  • #13
    Victim of Night is much better than Doom Blade or Go for the Throat if you are mono black and playing modern.
    I support WotC's goal of shaping Modern in favor of diversity.

    I ran a thought experiment on my blog
    Modern in a Nuclear Wasteland
    of an extreme case of banning 20 more cards to make sure they get everything, then scaling back where appropriate. WotC seems to be on a slowly build up approach. Both ways probably reach similar end points.

    The post Gatecrash metagame is proving to be closer to the endpoint than I estimated, so its very possible that few (if any) more cards need to be banned.
  • #14
    and smother beats the pea-wadding out of victim of night. There are very few big creatures you'd need to hit that you couldn't also use one of the other two removal spells for as needed.


    Credit to DolZero for this awesome sig!
  • #15
    After some testing, the most useful spells here (I mean, the ones which really defines the course of the games) are the inquisition of kozilek t1 followed by wrench mind t2. If you can connect a well played smallpox, it can be absolutely crippling for an unexpecting opponent. If bloodghast could block, it would be the key creature of this deck. Are there other recursive blockers which you can safely sac on a smallpox?

    I could never get to use hypnotic specter. Never. It gets all the removal (and there's plenty of it in modern). It seems like the slowest creature on this deck, not having a "get into play" effect. Even the ravenous rats help me more than hyppie here.

    Still, I cant get to cut the total number to 60. So I'm thinking in leaving specters out and keep testing.
    Any non basic land suggestion for this deck? I tested online with ghost quarters and they didn't make too much of a difference without getting them back with something like Crucible of Worlds
  • #16
    this needs more tomb stalker
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    modern
    black mana red mana green mana Jund green mana red mana black mana
    green mana blue mana Kangaroo blue mana green mana
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    Standard
    Nothing interesting here Frown

    EDH
    blue manaAzami, Lady of Scrollsblue mana
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