Primer: Gx 12-Post

  • #26
    Nobody recovers from Emrakul, especially with no Jace TMS. Especially not when you use your Eye of Ugin to get infinite turns. They can only kill so many Emrakuls, and by casting him you're getting a Time Walk every time they try.

    Why do you feel the need to cheat Eldrazi into play when you have Cloudpost mana? You don't need Boseiju with a heavy Eldrazi build - they can't counter Emrakul and if they counter Kozilek or Ulamog you still get the extra effect. With the land tutor you would have used to get Boseiju, you can get a Locus, which augments your mana to power out an Eldrazi, or an Eye of Ugin to start winning the game.

    You claim Eldrazi are a win more effect... but putting two in play with a Tooth is not?

    Try out what I'm saying. If you want an exact list, I can give one later - I'm on my smartphone right now. Try it without Tooth or Trap, and see how you like it.
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  • #27
    Alright, I'm gonna try this from my phone. Haven't used deck tags in about three years so bear with me.

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    Mana Ramp
    4 Explore
    4 Expedition Map
    4 Sylvan Scrying

    Other Spells
    3 Ancient Stirrings
    2 All is Dust
    2 Beast Within

    Dudes
    4 Primeval Titan
    2 Wurmcoil Engine
    1 Karn Liberated
    3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    3 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
    2 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre

    Lannnnnnd
    4 Cloudpost
    4 Glimmerpost
    4 Vesuva
    4 Misty Rainforest
    2 Stomping Ground
    5 Forest
    2 Ghost Quarter
    1 Eye of Ugin



    The sideboard probably needs tweaking, because this is still in the development and testing phase. But honestly, I don't see how this list is not Tier 1 in this format. Try it.

    (Apologies to mods for double post. Merge at will. I promise I don't care about my post count.)
    Last edited by Feuerdrache: 8/21/2011 2:18:00 PM
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  • #28
    This is what i've been messing around with. I wanted to try a land destruction subtheme. This is still clearly a very rough list. I went with GSZ + Dryad arbor as my 1 drop accelerator because GSZ can also grab titan later on for a huge life boost, while you look for more gas.

    Main points of contention are

    Is 4 GSZ to many?
    Should I have an Eye of Ugin to Fetch?
    Is Primal Command better as Plow under? (I've really liked the flexability of command so far.)
    Should Ulamog be something like terastadon or Woodfall Primus so I have a big threat to fetch with GSZ

    Also have you guys experimented with splashing a color? I've been thinking about white because you get cheap removal plus disruptive stuff like cannonist, grand abolisher, etc.


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    Lands:
    4 Cloudpost
    4 Glimmerpost
    4 Vesuva
    10 Forest
    2 Dryad Arbor

    4 Overgrown Battlement
    4 Wall of Roots
    3 Sakura-Tribe Elder
    2 Primeval Titan
    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Sundering Titan
    1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
    1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
    1 Sky Hussar

    4 Reap and Sow
    4 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
    2 Primal Command
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Tooth and Nail



    Edit: I have no idea why my sideboard is bold....sorry guys
  • #29
    It would be really helpful to know which cards have the most backbreaking effect on our deck, so that I can tune my sideboard to hate them out effectively.

    What cards have you had the most trouble with in testing? What cards really shut us down?

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  • #30
    Quote from mdilthey
    It would be really helpful to know which cards have the most backbreaking effect on our deck, so that I can tune my sideboard to hate them out effectively.

    What cards have you had the most trouble with in testing? What cards really shut us down?


    Off the top of my head, Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Gaddock Teeg, Leonin Arbiter, Aven Mindcensor, and Meddling Mage all seem really good against us. Ghost quarter and Tectonic Edge will also slow you down. Then I realized Beast Within can deal with all of those things if needed.
  • #31
    How do you answer instants, like Sadistic Sacrament? is there a way to avoid that, and if it hits, are we just totally throttled?

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  • #32
    None of those cards affect my build, guys. Well, Blood Moon does, but there's Beast Within for that. Everything else is pretty lame.
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  • #33
    Sacrament shouldn't be that big a deal as long as you make sure to maintain a diverse threat base after SB

    One solution could be to go up on the number of eldrazi you are running. I could see a package of something like 2 Eye of Ugin, 1 Kozilek, 1 Emrakul, 1 Ulamog (assuming you have some eldrazi mb) as a way to be those type of effects.
  • #34
    Quote from Me in the Mono U 12Post thread »


    I'm kind of surprised that nobody has mentioned Amulet of Vigor. The card is simply bonkers in 12Post ramp. Why?

    1. If it comes into play early enough it will generate a ridiculous amount of mana since all of your Cloudposts will be untapped as they hit play.

    2. In these 12post mirrors it's really important who gets to use those ridiculous amounts of mana first. If you were on the play, and your opponent is not playing Amulet of Vigor you will have the advantage since you will get to use the bonuses off of his lands first. If you are playing the amulet, and he isn't, things look different; his lands are tapped and even though he will (in theory) untap with more posts then you, he will still be behind because he got to use that a turn later.

    3. Against other decks you are playing a faster game. While before the aggro decks were praying on slow mana development now you could, with some luck, play a Sundering Titan against zoo as early as turn 3.

    4. The card can be searched for with Trinket Mage and surpluses can be discarded to Thirst for Knowledge. Though it's probably better to just play a full playset to maximize your chances of playing it in the early turns.

    I myself am playing a version, splashing for Remand and Thirst for Knowledge and very little else, but feel that the "amulet tech" should be common to all the 12post builds, for all the reasons I've stated above.


    Needed to post this here, to spread the good word. Though, as a small bonus for this thread, I will post my lists here since I'm running a heavy green version of the deck with a moderate splash:

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    4 Cloudpost
    4 Glimmerpost
    4 Vesuva
    1 Eye of Ugin
    1 Scalding Tarn
    3 Misty Rainforest
    1 Verdant Catacombs
    1 Forest
    1 Island
    3 Breeding Pool
    3 Khalni Garden
    1 Eye of Ugin

    3 Primeval Titan
    1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
    2 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

    4 Amulet of Vigor
    4 Expedition Map
    4 Fog
    3 All is Dust
    4 Ancient Stirrings
    4 Remand
    4 Thirst for Knowledge



    It's a tuned list so I would suggest testing it as is before modifying it. The sideboard still needs a lot of work but if anyone is interested I will share what I've discovered.
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    Many thanks to HotP Studios. Special thanks to DNC for this great sig.
  • #35
    Quote from Patches
    Off the top of my head, Magus of the Moon, Blood Moon, Gaddock Teeg, Leonin Arbiter, Aven Mindcensor, and Meddling Mage all seem really good against us. Ghost quarter and Tectonic Edge will also slow you down. Then I realized Beast Within can deal with all of those things if needed.


    Yeah, it seems like Beast Within is maindeck-worthy here. The drawback isn't noteworthy at all when you're only using it on mega-threats or to disrupt combos, and you've got all that lifegain from gpost. Buys you time to set up your board.
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  • #36
    Quote from mdilthey
    How do you answer instants, like Sadistic Sacrament? is there a way to avoid that, and if it hits, are we just totally throttled?


    Uhhhhhh... i think you just point and laugh at you're opponent for playing a card for that doesn't nothing to your hand or board and tapped themselves out on a turn where you're probably going nuts. Furthermore, if they're playing sacrement, they're probably playing mono black, which will beat you with the heavy discard and LD. It's a deck 12 post probably won't beat but it'll lose to everything else so I'm not concerned. It's far more likely you'll face a zoo deck packin teegs and magus's than a mono black deck with sacrement.
  • #37
    Quote from Raalic
    Yeah, it seems like Beast Within is maindeck-worthy here. The drawback isn't noteworthy at all when you're only using it on mega-threats or to disrupt combos, and you've got all that lifegain from gpost. Buys you time to set up your board.


    yep, and you can disrupt opposing deck strategies (I'm looking at you, blue-post) while using it as a pseudo-vindicate while you buy a little time to bust out big mana bosses.
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  • #38
    Am I talking to myself, or is everybody just deliberately ignoring EVERYTHING I say? At your own peril, kids. If you don't want my help I won't give it.
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  • #39
    Quote from Feuerdrache
    Nobody recovers from Emrakul, especially with no Jace TMS. Especially not when you use your Eye of Ugin to get infinite turns. They can only kill so many Emrakuls, and by casting him you're getting a Time Walk every time they try.

    Why do you feel the need to cheat Eldrazi into play when you have Cloudpost mana? You don't need Boseiju with a heavy Eldrazi build - they can't counter Emrakul and if they counter Kozilek or Ulamog you still get the extra effect. With the land tutor you would have used to get Boseiju, you can get a Locus, which augments your mana to power out an Eldrazi, or an Eye of Ugin to start winning the game.

    You claim Eldrazi are a win more effect... but putting two in play with a Tooth is not?


    I agree with this. Trying to be "smart" doesn't accomplish as much as just "dumb" ramping into Eldrazi overlords. The deck should be built in such a way that it can do this consistently.

    Fun fact, just a while ago, I passed through magical X-mas land with my list; I cast Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, drawing a Primeval Titan that I also played, he in turn found two Cloudposts (that came into play untapped thanks to Amulet of Vigor) and, finally, using those lands I've cast Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.
    In my dream, the world had suffered a terrible disaster. A black haze shut out the sun, and the darkness was alive with the moans and screams of wounded people. Suddenly, a small light glowed. A candle flickered into life, symbol of hope for millions. A single tiny candle, shining in the ugly dark. I laughed and blew it out.



    Many thanks to HotP Studios. Special thanks to DNC for this great sig.
  • #40
    Has anyone else been testing Solemn Simulacrum or Reap and Sow in their lists?

    I've been playing solemn and he helps quite a bit against moon effects and aggro, but I know reap and sow is good against opposing 12 post decks too with the ability to destroy and tutor whatever land you need.
  • #41
    I run 4 Reap and Sow in the board, as in the mirror it's superior to Primeval Titan in almost every way at the same mana mark. Since their Locus lands count towards the count, you need fewer, and keeping them off Cloudposts is exponentially more important.
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  • #42
    Quote from Raalic
    Yeah, it seems like Beast Within is maindeck-worthy here. The drawback isn't noteworthy at all when you're only using it on mega-threats or to disrupt combos, and you've got all that lifegain from gpost. Buys you time to set up your board.


    I plan on playing at least 3 maindeck. Maybe 4 just to make sure I get at least one a game. They're really good.
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  • #43
    Quote from vpgorman
    Has anyone else been testing Solemn Simulacrum or Reap and Sow in their lists?

    I've been playing solemn and he helps quite a bit against moon effects and aggro, but I know reap and sow is good against opposing 12 post decks too with the ability to destroy and tutor whatever land you need.


    If you are playing them how are they working for you? I haven't tried them yet because I prefer to have Fog against aggro (can force them to overextend into an All is Dust) and, to a degree Khalni Garden (random blockers) to hold of the aggro deck until Emrakul arives.

    In a 12 post mirror you could try either Magus of the Candelabra in the sideboard or, better yet, Amulet of Vigor. They both give you a huge edge in these "mirrors" although Amulet of Vigor is a better card to have maindeck simply because it gives you a significant mana advantage over your opponent and has some very sick synergies with Primeval Titan (especially in multiples).
    In my dream, the world had suffered a terrible disaster. A black haze shut out the sun, and the darkness was alive with the moans and screams of wounded people. Suddenly, a small light glowed. A candle flickered into life, symbol of hope for millions. A single tiny candle, shining in the ugly dark. I laughed and blew it out.



    Many thanks to HotP Studios. Special thanks to DNC for this great sig.
  • #44
    Quote from Drekavac
    If you are playing them how are they working for you? I haven't tried them yet because I prefer to have Fog against aggro (can force them to overextend into an All is Dust) and, to a degree Khalni Garden (random blockers) to hold of the aggro deck until Emrakul arives.

    In a 12 post mirror you could try either Magus of the Candelabra in the sideboard or, better yet, Amulet of Vigor. They both give you a huge edge in these "mirrors" although Amulet of Vigor is a better card to have maindeck simply because it gives you a significant mana advantage over your opponent and has some very sick synergies with Primeval Titan (especially in multiples).


    I liked it quite a bit as it allowed me to keep hands that could produce at most one green and it'd help me find the second green for titan or tooth, but it hasn't been stellar against aggro to the point that I think it's mandatory. I'm going to test reap and sow out.

    I tried amulet of vigor and was never impressed, the times where I drew it late came up way too often to offset the benefit you get from it. I've lost too many times because I drew that over any relevant card to cast things. Maybe that's all personal preference, but I never liked it.
  • #45
    Quote from vpgorman

    I tried amulet of vigor and was never impressed, the times where I drew it late came up way too often to offset the benefit you get from it. I've lost too many times because I drew that over any relevant card to cast things. Maybe that's all personal preference, but I never liked it.


    I like Amulet of Vigor a lot with Scapeshift. It lets all my lands come into play untapped, and if I have two amulets out, I can generate obscene ammounts of mana.
  • #46
    Quote from whoistoddjones
    This is what i've been messing around with. I wanted to try a land destruction subtheme. This is still clearly a very rough list. I went with GSZ + Dryad arbor as my 1 drop accelerator because GSZ can also grab titan later on for a huge life boost, while you look for more gas.

    Main points of contention are

    Is 4 GSZ to many?
    Should I have an Eye of Ugin to Fetch?
    Is Primal Command better as Plow under? (I've really liked the flexability of command so far.)
    Should Ulamog be something like terastadon or Woodfall Primus so I have a big threat to fetch with GSZ


    You want to find something big with GSZ and you already run 4 Primeval Titan... The good thing of the other guys you mentioned is they destroy permanents. That might be a good reason if you run no other answers such as Karn or All is Dust.

    Splashing white isn't needed. Blue would be a better option for counters which are generic answers but the deck doesn't need it i.m.o.

    Eye of Ugin is a must. Tutor the land, tutor the Eldrazi, win. Great chain.

    Primal Command and Plow Under are SB cards and Plow under is better at what it does.


    @Feuerdrache
    Nice list, looks much like a combo version but I think that's good because the gameplan is so strong due to lifegain (aggro has no chance) and reduncay (great vs control). It just needs speed and/or disruption to have more chance vs Combo which will prevalent in teh format (I think zoo is the benchmark for speed but not the best deck).
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  • #47
    Here is my take on G12 post:

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    1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
    4 Primeval Titan
    2 Sundering Titan
    1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
    3 Wurmcoil Engine

    2 Garruk Wildspeaker
    2 Karn Liberated

    3 All Is Dust
    3 Amulet of Vigor
    3 Beast Within
    3 Expedition Map
    4 Explore
    3 Summoning Trap

    4 Cloudpost
    1 Eye of Ugin
    6 Forest
    4 Glimmerpost
    4 Misty Rainforest
    2 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Vesuva



    i still need a sb. wanna help me out?
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    Modern
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  • #48
    My current board is as follows.

    4 Chalice of the Void
    3 Ratchet Bomb
    1 Terastadon
    2 Oblivion Stone
    1 Eye of Ugin
    4 Krosan Grip
  • #49
    I really dont like oblivion stone, and why is the eye of ugin in there?
    just wondering.

    i feel something like this would be better:
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    4 krosan grip
    4 acidic slime ??
    3 kitchen finks
    2 eternal witness
    2 fog

    Standard
    Ludvic test subject.dek (top 8 at GPT)
    Necrotic ooze
    Werewolves

    Modern
    Esper Venser

    Legacy
    GW aggro- in the making.
  • #50
    Eye of Ugin is in there for the mirror match.
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