gigadrowse wont stop mindbreak trap which will be in each and every sideboard and many main decks.
Neither will Remand. For the main deck Gigadrowse is a better answer. The alternative is Pact of Negation...and I really don't like that in the maindeck.
I have been really, really liking Thoughtseize in the deck. The best way to beat the Storm hate is to get rid of it before they can use it. Also, Peer Through Depths is crazy good. I'm sure you could have a better manabase than what I am using but at the same time its nice to not be down 5 life on turn 2 against Zoo variants.
The sideboard is pretty generic, catch all kind of thing and I have plans to change it as the metagame grows. The biggest notable is that Nix beats Hypergenesis.
I'm also considering possible dropping a land and Empty the Warrens for 2 Infernal Tutor because he lets you either "go off" and then get Dragonstorm or fetches you that one Seething Song you need without the chance aspect of the blue cards.
Thoughts?
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I think you need Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund to be fast enough to beat other combo decks
Karrthus is essentially 20 damage with 2 Hellkites and a storm of 3, provided they have 0 blockers. I will test him, but I am not convinced he is better than Hunted Dragon or Hellkite Charger yet.
EDIT: To clarify my point, the only way your getting 9 mana for Dragonstorm with a storm count less than 3 is on turn 4 when Bloom comes into play. Your turn would be Bloom, Song, tap 4 lands, Dragonstorm for 3. That is where Karrthus shines. The only way to have 9 mana for Dragonstorm before turn 4, is by having a storm count greater than 3. I hope that makes sense.
To clarify further
Turn 1,2,3 win will look like - Rite, Rite, Rite, Seething Song, Dragonstorm. Storm count > 3
Of course turn 4 win could also look like a turn 1, 2, or 3 win but with Bloom added.
Therefore Karrthus is either overkill, win-more, or situational considering that he himself does not have haste and any other time you are casting Dragonstorm you're going to get all 4 hellkites anyway.
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Therefore Karrthus is either overkill, win-more, or situational considering that he himself does not have haste and any other time you are casting Dragonstorm you're going to get all 4 hellkites anyway.
My biggest problem with Karrthus is that you really aren't capable of casting him from your hand. Unless you run 4X See Beyond he is going to stare at you. As opposed to something like hunted dragon which can be hardcasted in a pinch.
Sideboard would be some number of chalice of the void, not sure what else
What matchup would you want to knee cap yourself like that? Chalice is designed as combo hate.
My biggest problem with Karrthus is that you really aren't capable of casting him from your hand. Unless you run 4X See Beyond he is going to stare at you. As opposed to something like hunted dragon which can be hardcasted in a pinch.
What matchup would you want to knee cap yourself like that? Chalice is designed as combo hate.
you're right, I was working on non combo decks and just threw that out there without een realizing it hoses the deck
True enough but what does it hose? If we want to include it in our sideboard we need to have enough targets. What I can think of at the moment is
HyperGen
Affinity (hits memnites ,orinthopers, opals)
Any deck that plays pacts other then Hivemind (Chalice will counter their copy but not yours as it goes straight on the stack) only one I can think of is COMBO ELVES. but even then just one card in their whole gameplan.
As much as i love dragonstorm you will almost always get blown out by the best combo deck(possibly even the best deck) in the modern format(hypergenesis for those that didn't know).
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faster, more consistent, has the same nut draws, but less bad draws.
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THIS 100X!!! If you don't agree with this then there is no amount of logic that will ever convince you that good, non-oppressive, combos should be allowed. If you don't agree with it then just don't play this game, and you certainly shouldn't feel entitled to make any comment on ban lists ever.
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The one with Spinerock Knoll that he played at Worlds(?) a few years back against Nassif?
yessir. it got several people good records in the standard rounds of worlds.
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I never liked that deck. It was really only played because Dragonstorm lost all of its good blue cards when Lorywn came out. The Spinerock Knoll version isn't consistent at all. It definitely got to worlds by surprise factor more than anything.
Which is why the Grand Prix RAV-TSP version should be the starting point for any modern Dragonstorm deck.
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[EDH] Ob Nixilis the Fallen
2x City of Brass
2x Gemstone Caverns
4x Shivan Reef
3x Reflecting Pool
4x River of Tears
2x Cascade Bluffs
1x Sunken Ruins
2x Island
1x Swamp
1x Mountain
4x Seething Song
4x Rite of Flame
4x Lotus Bloom
The DARGONS
4x Bogardan Hellkite
4x Dragonstorm
1x Hunted Dragon
The Search
4x Ponder
4x Sleight of Hand
4x Peer Through Depths
The Tech
4x Thoughtseize
1x Empty the Warrens
3x Gigadrowse
3x Pyroclasm
2x Hurkyl's Recall
3x Nix
3x Tormod's Crypt
1x Ignite Memories
I have been really, really liking Thoughtseize in the deck. The best way to beat the Storm hate is to get rid of it before they can use it. Also, Peer Through Depths is crazy good. I'm sure you could have a better manabase than what I am using but at the same time its nice to not be down 5 life on turn 2 against Zoo variants.
Sleight of Hand over Preordain is really more personal choice, as I've always like Sleight of Hand more.
The sideboard is pretty generic, catch all kind of thing and I have plans to change it as the metagame grows. The biggest notable is that Nix beats Hypergenesis.
I'm also considering possible dropping a land and Empty the Warrens for 2 Infernal Tutor because he lets you either "go off" and then get Dragonstorm or fetches you that one Seething Song you need without the chance aspect of the blue cards.
Thoughts?
Karrthus is essentially 20 damage with 2 Hellkites and a storm of 3, provided they have 0 blockers. I will test him, but I am not convinced he is better than Hunted Dragon or Hellkite Charger yet.
EDIT: To clarify my point, the only way your getting 9 mana for Dragonstorm with a storm count less than 3 is on turn 4 when Bloom comes into play. Your turn would be Bloom, Song, tap 4 lands, Dragonstorm for 3. That is where Karrthus shines. The only way to have 9 mana for Dragonstorm before turn 4, is by having a storm count greater than 3. I hope that makes sense.
To clarify further
Turn 1,2,3 win will look like - Rite, Rite, Rite, Seething Song, Dragonstorm. Storm count > 3
Turn 4 win - Bloom, Song, tap 4 lands, Dragonstorm. Storm count = 3
Of course turn 4 win could also look like a turn 1, 2, or 3 win but with Bloom added.
Therefore Karrthus is either overkill, win-more, or situational considering that he himself does not have haste and any other time you are casting Dragonstorm you're going to get all 4 hellkites anyway.
4x Scalding Tarn
4x Steam Vents
4x Cascade Bluffs
4x Shivan Reef
2x Mountain
2x Island
Instants
4x Seething Song
4x Rite of Flame
4x Desperate Ritual
4x Remand
4x Preordain
4x Ponder
4x Dragonstorm
2x See Beyond
Creatures
4x Bogardan Hellkite
1x Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
Artifacts
4x Lotus Bloom
Sideboard would be some number of chalice of the void, not sure what else
....Have you read Karrthus?
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
Pretty sure he himself has haste.
My biggest problem with Karrthus is that you really aren't capable of casting him from your hand. Unless you run 4X See Beyond he is going to stare at you. As opposed to something like hunted dragon which can be hardcasted in a pinch.
What matchup would you want to knee cap yourself like that? Chalice is designed as combo hate.
you're right, I was working on non combo decks and just threw that out there without een realizing it hoses the deck
HyperGen
Affinity (hits memnites ,orinthopers, opals)
Any deck that plays pacts other then Hivemind (Chalice will counter their copy but not yours as it goes straight on the stack) only one I can think of is COMBO ELVES. but even then just one card in their whole gameplan.
But there ain't no Hypergenesis no more!
The king is dead! Long live the new (dragon) king?
Nix stops Hypergenesis, Dread Return, and Mindbreak Trap
So it counters the one deck faster than us. The one deck that can be faster than us. And the best Storm hate card.
2 Mountain
3 Cascade Bluffs
4 Shivan Reef
2 Island
3 Halimar Depths
4 Calciform Pools
Storm Cards:
4 Dragonstorm
Dig/Answers:
2 Gigadrowse
4 Ponder
3 See Beyond
3 Peer Through Depths
4 Remand
4 Lotus Bloom
2 Manamorphose
4 Rite of Flame
4 Seething Song
Dragons:
2 Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund
3 Bogardan Hellkite
4 Mental Misstep (replace with something else not sure atm)
4 Repeal
3 Leyline of Sanctity
2 Firespout
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is also a good SB card for this deck. As well as Shattering Spree.
EHD:
Azami, Kraj, Thelon, Kemba (done)
working on Niv mizzet Chaos
Legacy:
UWB stoneblade
Why should we care if Nix stops Hypergenesis or Dread Return? Neither card is legal in the format.
Time to bring back a 5-year old sig banner. DEDICATION!
Currently Playing:
=Legacy=
RUUG Delver
=Modern=
BRRG LOAM
=EDH=
BGGR Karrthus
RRRX Norin
UUWW Bruna
BBBB Skithiryx
I made this post before I saw the bans.
Makes Nix much less attractive.
Also, welcome to the premier combo deck thread.
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no the chapin version.
linky http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=227402
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yessir. it got several people good records in the standard rounds of worlds.
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Just get a couple of him for multiple triggers, it's just as good as Bogardans. Seriously, stop arguing over Karthuus, and run this guy.
WG Saffi Eriksdotter Combo GW
WU Rasputin Dreamweaver Storm UW
UGLorescale CoatlGU (Pauper)
Which is why the Grand Prix RAV-TSP version should be the starting point for any modern Dragonstorm deck.
Link: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=59029