From what i gather, modern was created to be an eternal format without the prohibitive cost of entry that legacy has, and for the most part, it does seem quite a bit cheaper.
however, now, the dual ravnica lands have leaped up to over 20 dollars, as has Vesuva. Are prices going to stay like this? because it seems that this sort of price for lands will serve to make modern almost as hard to invest in as legacy :/.
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This was expected. The nice thing about Modern, however, is the ability to reprint anything they need to for whatever reason since everything is free to print (unlike stuff like Tropical Island, which is on the reserve list.) Even though Wizards doesn't care about the secondary market (or so they say); they do care about tournament attendance and if people can't get into Modern or worse off, WON'T because of a price barrier, then the format will die and they lose out on money.
I imagine the prices are going to stay high for now as Wizards can't just "let loose" and reprint everything right now. It's going to be a slow process but one that will eventually (whether now or a couple of years from now) allow Modern to become a cornerstone of the MTG tournament structure.
From what i gather, modern was created to be an eternal format without the prohibitive cost of entry that legacy has, and for the most part, it does seem quite a bit cheaper.
Had nothing to do with cost and everything about the reserve list. Modern has no cards on the reserve list, and starts at a time in which WotC feels that they changed their design both in card template and design.
The rise of prices were expected to happen as it's simple supply and demand but chill...don't expect them to stay there forever!
I'm going to wait and see what Innistrad has to offer and go from there. That's about a month away and by then the demand should slow down and cards might drop a few bucks!
I'm banking on that facts as I think a lot of these price jumps are due to A. new format and B. Players are trying to acquire cards to Philly.
From what i gather, modern was created to be an eternal format without the prohibitive cost of entry that legacy has, and for the most part, it does seem quite a bit cheaper.
however, now, the dual ravnica lands have leaped up to over 20 dollars, as has Vesuva. Are prices going to stay like this? because it seems that this sort of price for lands will serve to make modern almost as hard to invest in as legacy :/.
You have to keep in mind there was an initial rush for folks to snag up play-sets of cards in preparation for modern. This of course had a substantial impact on prices.
I'd guess that some cards, like goyf/shock-lands, won't be coming down all that much. Though I suspect there will be some price stabilization.
As for those cards not necessarily considered "staples" of the format but currently experiencing large price increases. I expect we'll see those dip back down into something resembling "reasonable" in the near future.
As for pure speculation I'd also surmise that WotC will find a way to do a few reprints aimed at this format in the coming year.
That is more than likely the initial rush. Proplayers and those planning to play in the grinder (although don't remember if they have grinders for the pt events).
Watch the fetches as they are the least likely to be reprinted soon. Ravnica duals will most likely see print next year with the set that returns to Ravnica. Also the demand right now is insane. I have friends going to the PT and they are borrowing my duals since I have playsets to spare.
It's not like people have to buy every Dual. Only Zoo has a huge need for multiples and they don't use the 2 most expensive ones. How much was Jace going for again? So for $400 dollars you could have a playset. That is 20 dual lands.
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Ain't no way I'm cashin in my Precious! I thought about for all of one second and am going to be patient as I KNOW prices will drop.
You're right too Poop! Buy 2 of the ones you need and then fill in the rest as Modern has a very good manabase selection! Geez, when I thought hard about it I jumped for joy as any deck is possible!!!
Ravnica duals will most likely see print next year with the set that returns to Ravnica.
I highly doubt the shocks will be reprinted in the return to Ravnica block. Their point of naming the way they did was to prevent the need to return to Ravnica to reprint them. Yes they will be reprinted, but I just don't see them reprinted in that set.
I highly doubt the shocks will be reprinted in the return to Ravnica block. Their point of naming the way they did was to prevent the need to return to Ravnica to reprint them. Yes they will be reprinted, but I just don't see them reprinted in that set.
But if they are already planning to go back to Rav there is no reason NOT to reprint them in that block.
This would also be a good way to prevent the M10 and Shocks from being in the same Standard.
But if they are already planning to go back to Rav there is no reason NOT to reprint them in that block.
This would also be a good way to prevent the M10 and Shocks from being in the same Standard.
Well, one reason not to do it is because they could do it in Innistrad, which has an allied-color tribe them and is being released with the onset of Modern.
I'm amazed people haven't figured this out yet, but wizards is the company equivalent of a oil super tanker. It takes them an eternity to do anything, whether it's bannings, reprints, or what not, especially reprints. For whatever reason it takes them AGES to address reprint issues, if they address them at all (looking at you wasteland and FoW)
Of course they don't have to. There is no reasons should reprint cards, besides trying to make cards more accessibly to players (crazy idea, I know).
Here's the thing, Wizards doesn't care about you. They don't care if you have to shell out 200 or 2000 to make your modern deck. They pretend like they do when they say they don't want a huge price barrier to the format, but then they also say they don't care about the secondary market, and based on their track record, what are you going to believe?
Honestly, you're best off by making one deck for modern and trying to trade for at least a couple of the duals, because wizards MIGHT reprint the shocklands in...oh a year or so at the earliest. Maybe, but hopefully 1-2 years. Will there be modern tournaments before then? Of course! So go ahead and a few duals now and wait a long while for the rest. Btw, if you are are a relatively new player, don't bother playing green, as that entails tarmogoyf, which is a creature and not a dual, so it won't be reprinted anytime soon because wizards doesn't care about the secondary market. Beware though! You might almost be tricked by one of aaron forsythe's or mark rosewater's tweets about lowering prices or reprints, but don't be fooled, because in the end, they're all just super tankers.
I don't actually think that price is a primary force in the decision for modern. Rather, sustainability is likely the case. I believe that Wizards will reprint staple cards eventually but only when it is necessary to maintain the format or in a way that will make them some money. Do not be surprised when goyf or bob pops up in a preconstructed deck for $25+ with no other relevant cards in that mix--it is the best possible way they can capitalize on valuable cards. I also wouldn't be too surprised to see a mythic reprint of an older rare, as good mythics are what are driving sales of current sets.
As for the Rav lands, I suspect we'll get the allied five in the core set that directly precedes the return to that plane, even though "new players don't like to pay life for mana." I think that they are using the core sets to prime the environment for upcoming large sets, at least in small ways.
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From what i gather, modern was created to be an eternal format without the prohibitive cost of entry that legacy has, and for the most part, it does seem quite a bit cheaper.
I don't think this at all. Wizards at least has the option of reprints of cards in this format, but the inception of the format itself was to provide an eternal format that was distinctively different from Legacy, which is already very popular.
The thing is that Modern lets you play with a lot of cards that you can't play in competitive Legacy due to the cards that define the format. Cards you would want to play with-and maybe played with in past Standard formats but can't in Legacy might have room a home in Modern. Legacy is a format of 1-3 drops (occasionally the game-ending four CC spell) due to the speed of the decks and Wasteland.
Regarding prices, right now there is a huge speculative bubble because a lot of people are speculating buying up the entire format instead of buying up a single deck or small set of decks to play . Eventually speculators/traders will find other cards to run up and the prices in the current bubble will mostly gradually "cool".
There are obvious needs for reprints-Bob and Goyf come to mind-and these will likely be handled in the future. Keep in mind that Wizards has to plan out their releases a very long time in advance so the reprints won't be immediate-but they will happen.
Well, one reason not to do it is because they could do it in Innistrad, which has an allied-color tribe them and is being released with the onset of Modern.
Innistrad was printed well before Modern was announced. Based on various comments from R&D, sets are sent to the printers 4 to 6 months in advance. Art, flavor, and templating has to be taken care of well before that.
Modern was only made official 1 week ago, even though it was first defined by WotC as an experiment back at the end of May. Even if they planned the format for two months before announcing the online experiement, that's cutting it close to when Innistrad would have had to be at the printers. So, the Ravnica lands probably didn't have time to be inserted into Innistrad due to modern.
If they are in the set, then it almost has to be because they fit the set somehow. You mentioned the allied-color tribe theme, but that would seem to be an argument against the Ravnica lands, as there were 10 of those. Reprinting only 5 allied color ones doesn't make too much sense, especially considering that the following block is a return to a plane featuring all 10 color pairings.
Flavorfully, I'd certainly expect to see the River of Tears cycle finished in Innistrad. Mechanically, I'd expect to see the Horizon Canopy cycle.
I suspect the speculators are trying to cash in on the new format, but it will definitely cool down in a few months. Its the same with every new set something shiny catches the players attention and everyone preorders it thinking its going to own and then three months down the line people realise how good it really is and then prices even out.
Although BOB and Goyf are never going to be cheap you can still play plenty of decks without them. Just imagine if their where any duels decks with one of them in. WoTC then might have a real claim that they found out a legal way to print 50$ bills. It will not be long before they realise what a cash cow that would be
Even if, say shock duals, were reprinted in future set, how would that lower their price? Any of the modern "staples" would be heavily played in Standard and that would just further increase demand (and price) for those cards.
Format is already becoming as expensive as Legacy was when I first started playing it (1,5 years ago).
The same way as how the Titans prices have dropped after being reprinted. Lot of people would already have playsets and the supply would be much more.
Basic economics if you increase the supply of a product than it will definately lower the price and that is what they effectively do with reprints
I suspect that they would use the duels decks to reprint many of these staples as it is the best for WotC to keep a healthy standard environment, make some money and increase the supply of these cards
however, now, the dual ravnica lands have leaped up to over 20 dollars, as has Vesuva. Are prices going to stay like this? because it seems that this sort of price for lands will serve to make modern almost as hard to invest in as legacy :/.
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I imagine the prices are going to stay high for now as Wizards can't just "let loose" and reprint everything right now. It's going to be a slow process but one that will eventually (whether now or a couple of years from now) allow Modern to become a cornerstone of the MTG tournament structure.
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You sir, are being swindled. That's just a rediculous price to be honest (for now)
Had nothing to do with cost and everything about the reserve list. Modern has no cards on the reserve list, and starts at a time in which WotC feels that they changed their design both in card template and design.
I'm going to wait and see what Innistrad has to offer and go from there. That's about a month away and by then the demand should slow down and cards might drop a few bucks!
I'm banking on that facts as I think a lot of these price jumps are due to A. new format and B. Players are trying to acquire cards to Philly.
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You have to keep in mind there was an initial rush for folks to snag up play-sets of cards in preparation for modern. This of course had a substantial impact on prices.
I'd guess that some cards, like goyf/shock-lands, won't be coming down all that much. Though I suspect there will be some price stabilization.
As for those cards not necessarily considered "staples" of the format but currently experiencing large price increases. I expect we'll see those dip back down into something resembling "reasonable" in the near future.
As for pure speculation I'd also surmise that WotC will find a way to do a few reprints aimed at this format in the coming year.
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That is more than likely the initial rush. Proplayers and those planning to play in the grinder (although don't remember if they have grinders for the pt events).
It's not like people have to buy every Dual. Only Zoo has a huge need for multiples and they don't use the 2 most expensive ones. How much was Jace going for again? So for $400 dollars you could have a playset. That is 20 dual lands.
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I highly doubt the shocks will be reprinted in the return to Ravnica block. Their point of naming the way they did was to prevent the need to return to Ravnica to reprint them. Yes they will be reprinted, but I just don't see them reprinted in that set.
But if they are already planning to go back to Rav there is no reason NOT to reprint them in that block.
This would also be a good way to prevent the M10 and Shocks from being in the same Standard.
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Well, one reason not to do it is because they could do it in Innistrad, which has an allied-color tribe them and is being released with the onset of Modern.
Of course they don't have to. There is no reasons should reprint cards, besides trying to make cards more accessibly to players (crazy idea, I know).
Here's the thing, Wizards doesn't care about you. They don't care if you have to shell out 200 or 2000 to make your modern deck. They pretend like they do when they say they don't want a huge price barrier to the format, but then they also say they don't care about the secondary market, and based on their track record, what are you going to believe?
Honestly, you're best off by making one deck for modern and trying to trade for at least a couple of the duals, because wizards MIGHT reprint the shocklands in...oh a year or so at the earliest. Maybe, but hopefully 1-2 years. Will there be modern tournaments before then? Of course! So go ahead and a few duals now and wait a long while for the rest. Btw, if you are are a relatively new player, don't bother playing green, as that entails tarmogoyf, which is a creature and not a dual, so it won't be reprinted anytime soon because wizards doesn't care about the secondary market. Beware though! You might almost be tricked by one of aaron forsythe's or mark rosewater's tweets about lowering prices or reprints, but don't be fooled, because in the end, they're all just super tankers.
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As for the Rav lands, I suspect we'll get the allied five in the core set that directly precedes the return to that plane, even though "new players don't like to pay life for mana." I think that they are using the core sets to prime the environment for upcoming large sets, at least in small ways.
I don't think this at all. Wizards at least has the option of reprints of cards in this format, but the inception of the format itself was to provide an eternal format that was distinctively different from Legacy, which is already very popular.
The thing is that Modern lets you play with a lot of cards that you can't play in competitive Legacy due to the cards that define the format. Cards you would want to play with-and maybe played with in past Standard formats but can't in Legacy might have room a home in Modern. Legacy is a format of 1-3 drops (occasionally the game-ending four CC spell) due to the speed of the decks and Wasteland.
Regarding prices, right now there is a huge speculative bubble because a lot of people are speculating buying up the entire format instead of buying up a single deck or small set of decks to play . Eventually speculators/traders will find other cards to run up and the prices in the current bubble will mostly gradually "cool".
There are obvious needs for reprints-Bob and Goyf come to mind-and these will likely be handled in the future. Keep in mind that Wizards has to plan out their releases a very long time in advance so the reprints won't be immediate-but they will happen.
Innistrad was printed well before Modern was announced. Based on various comments from R&D, sets are sent to the printers 4 to 6 months in advance. Art, flavor, and templating has to be taken care of well before that.
Modern was only made official 1 week ago, even though it was first defined by WotC as an experiment back at the end of May. Even if they planned the format for two months before announcing the online experiement, that's cutting it close to when Innistrad would have had to be at the printers. So, the Ravnica lands probably didn't have time to be inserted into Innistrad due to modern.
If they are in the set, then it almost has to be because they fit the set somehow. You mentioned the allied-color tribe theme, but that would seem to be an argument against the Ravnica lands, as there were 10 of those. Reprinting only 5 allied color ones doesn't make too much sense, especially considering that the following block is a return to a plane featuring all 10 color pairings.
Flavorfully, I'd certainly expect to see the River of Tears cycle finished in Innistrad. Mechanically, I'd expect to see the Horizon Canopy cycle.
Although BOB and Goyf are never going to be cheap you can still play plenty of decks without them. Just imagine if their where any duels decks with one of them in. WoTC then might have a real claim that they found out a legal way to print 50$ bills. It will not be long before they realise what a cash cow that would be
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The same way as how the Titans prices have dropped after being reprinted. Lot of people would already have playsets and the supply would be much more.
Basic economics if you increase the supply of a product than it will definately lower the price and that is what they effectively do with reprints
I suspect that they would use the duels decks to reprint many of these staples as it is the best for WotC to keep a healthy standard environment, make some money and increase the supply of these cards
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