And there we go! I tried to check all of the links so hopefully everything went through!
As an initial caveat: I've never actually played this deck (or any other) competitively- but I do love deck building and wanted to give my hand a try at the Haakon/Nameless/Vengeance ideas my group had been throwing around. This was the result and I love playing it! It seems to function very well as a beat-down- but with enough moving parts to make it interesting. I've but some of my observations in the spoilers below- beware it is a wall of text!
The Beaters/ Finisher
Very few of the cards serve only one purpose- My main beater Kulrath is one of them. He does however shut off Finks, Messengers, Robots and loads of other stuff. That plus evasion make him one of my favorite finishers.
Ashenmoor is another that doesn't do much more than what's listed on the card- but it always has a huge effect on the game. I've often had people deride him for any number of reasons (dies to any kind of combat, often worth the 4 life just to Gut Shot him...) I've found that with Haakon though, people wont bother, as he'll just be back next turn, and he'll just sit pumping my knights to lethal and my dorks to surprisingly large.
Mana Dorks
The Banneret is wonderful not only for reducing the cost of Blades and Nameless to a single mana apiece, he also makes a sweet impromptu pacifism with Kulrath out later in the game.
Manaforge is one of the best mana fixers I've ever found, in addition to straight up fixing he'll make Smokebraider usable to non-elementals, and become a surprise 3/3 when the Liege hits the table.
Smokebraider- not much needs to be said here! That two mana of any color is great.
Other Useful Cards
Raven's crime is a bit of a tricky one for me- I love the targeted discard of other modern staples, but I love that I don't have to worry about using offensively, as I'll still be able to pitch Haakon later, presuming I've found a land. I also enjoy that, when the card is used on myself, there's no need to reveal my hand. Finally, a surprise 2 to 4 (Burning vengeance) damage out of nowhere has won a game or two for me in the past and I'm hesitant to part with all of them- maybe one or two could be swapped out though.
Ashes is great for the obvious reasons- it's great to be able to bring back my dorks when Haakon is out- but if he's getting shot down regularly, I'll occasionally chose to make him an elemental and bring him back with a tap of a Smokebraider and a nod to the Banneret.
I should mention that the name of the deck is a little misleading- Burning Vengeance alone is not how this deck wins games- more specifically Vengeance just helps along my beatdown, and is a wonderful finisher- nothing like three red mana to throw six to the face! (EDIT Presuming a banneret and Haakon XD)
As it says in the Deck List above- the mana base and sideboard are still under construction- this is where my inexperience in regards to competitive play really shows >.< And I would love any and all advice on the subject!
Also any advice that you may have in regards to the deck itself! I do like it a lot, but I'm more than willing to make changes if a slot would be better served running something else, and would do more for the deck than the card removed!
i really like the idea, it's engenius actually, nothing meaner than a burn to the face plus getting your threat back turn after turn.
personally tho, ditch blades +1 nameless, +1 BV, +1 ashes. There's enough artifact hate in the meta that ashes set to knight will die before it really gets anywhere. If there was a way to recur ashes, that'd be even better.
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Drop the elemental theme & the Ashes and just go for Knights. Phyrexian Crusader has seen success in MBC decks as a win-con, dodges Path/Both and holds back all sorts of enemy swarms, for example. Add Knights & Liliana and some Inquistion of Kozilek or Thoughtseize, too. (Let's you discard your Knight in a pinch)
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Drop the elemental theme & the Ashes and just go for Knights. Phyrexian Crusader has seen success in MBC decks as a win-con, dodges Path/Both and holds back all sorts of enemy swarms, for example. Add Knights & Liliana and some Inquistion of Kozilek or Thoughtseize, too. (Let's you discard your Knight in a pinch)
The whole point of the deck is to use the knight and elementals in conjunction- It speeds up the deck and, in my opinion, makes it much better and certainly faster. With the banneret you can cast your Inversions and Blades for a single mana, You can recur your large guys using your dorks and still have mana left.
In regards to Phyrexian Crusader: In a beatdown deck like this, what good is infect going to be? I did consider him though! He just doesn't support the overall strategy.
Also... if you read the first post... I spoke about why I'm using Raven's Crime over anything else, please read it This deck is not a cut and paste Haakon Deck!
i really like the idea, it's engenius actually, nothing meaner than a burn to the face plus getting your threat back turn after turn.
personally tho, ditch blades +1 nameless, +1 BV, +1 ashes. There's enough artifact hate in the meta that ashes set to knight will die before it really gets anywhere. If there was a way to recur ashes, that'd be even better.
Thank you! It;s funny I was considering cutting some of the blades myself- I wouldn't cut them completely though, as casting them from the yard 4 or five times in a turn is incredibly fun- 8 damage with a single BV out, as well as a +8/+0 boost to TWO of your guys.
I do think the Nameless is preferable for those times that you can't seem to get Haakon though, so maybe a trade off.
I like the number of Ashes where they are- it's never something I want to draw more than one or two of, and is often act as a 'win more' sort of card
@Turtleman: I'm afraid I don't understand your suggestions... Dralnu may be able to flash things from the yard, but with Haakon out, almost half of the deck can do that anyway, not to mention Raven's and Faithless without Haakon...
If you put a nameless on the Crypt Champion it will kill it.
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3x Haakon, Stromgald Scourge
4x Ashenmoor Liege
4x Kulrath Knight
3x Smokebraider
3x Manaforge Cinder
3x Brighthearth Banneret
3x Nameless Inversion
3x Blades of Velis Vel
4x Faithless Looting
4x Raven's Crime
2x Burning Vengeance
2x Ashes of the Fallen
Lands: (Under construction!)
4x Dragonskull Summit
And there we go! I tried to check all of the links so hopefully everything went through!
As an initial caveat: I've never actually played this deck (or any other) competitively- but I do love deck building and wanted to give my hand a try at the Haakon/Nameless/Vengeance ideas my group had been throwing around. This was the result and I love playing it! It seems to function very well as a beat-down- but with enough moving parts to make it interesting. I've but some of my observations in the spoilers below- beware it is a wall of text!
The Beaters/ Finisher
Very few of the cards serve only one purpose- My main beater Kulrath is one of them. He does however shut off Finks, Messengers, Robots and loads of other stuff. That plus evasion make him one of my favorite finishers.
Ashenmoor is another that doesn't do much more than what's listed on the card- but it always has a huge effect on the game. I've often had people deride him for any number of reasons (dies to any kind of combat, often worth the 4 life just to Gut Shot him...) I've found that with Haakon though, people wont bother, as he'll just be back next turn, and he'll just sit pumping my knights to lethal and my dorks to surprisingly large.
Mana Dorks
The Banneret is wonderful not only for reducing the cost of Blades and Nameless to a single mana apiece, he also makes a sweet impromptu pacifism with Kulrath out later in the game.
Manaforge is one of the best mana fixers I've ever found, in addition to straight up fixing he'll make Smokebraider usable to non-elementals, and become a surprise 3/3 when the Liege hits the table.
Smokebraider- not much needs to be said here! That two mana of any color is great.
Other Useful Cards
Raven's crime is a bit of a tricky one for me- I love the targeted discard of other modern staples, but I love that I don't have to worry about using offensively, as I'll still be able to pitch Haakon later, presuming I've found a land. I also enjoy that, when the card is used on myself, there's no need to reveal my hand. Finally, a surprise 2 to 4 (Burning vengeance) damage out of nowhere has won a game or two for me in the past and I'm hesitant to part with all of them- maybe one or two could be swapped out though.
Ashes is great for the obvious reasons- it's great to be able to bring back my dorks when Haakon is out- but if he's getting shot down regularly, I'll occasionally chose to make him an elemental and bring him back with a tap of a Smokebraider and a nod to the Banneret.
I should mention that the name of the deck is a little misleading- Burning Vengeance alone is not how this deck wins games- more specifically Vengeance just helps along my beatdown, and is a wonderful finisher- nothing like three red mana to throw six to the face! (EDIT Presuming a banneret and Haakon XD)
As it says in the Deck List above- the mana base and sideboard are still under construction- this is where my inexperience in regards to competitive play really shows >.< And I would love any and all advice on the subject!
Also any advice that you may have in regards to the deck itself! I do like it a lot, but I'm more than willing to make changes if a slot would be better served running something else, and would do more for the deck than the card removed!
Thanks all for your time!
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personally tho, ditch blades +1 nameless, +1 BV, +1 ashes. There's enough artifact hate in the meta that ashes set to knight will die before it really gets anywhere. If there was a way to recur ashes, that'd be even better.
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The whole point of the deck is to use the knight and elementals in conjunction- It speeds up the deck and, in my opinion, makes it much better and certainly faster. With the banneret you can cast your Inversions and Blades for a single mana, You can recur your large guys using your dorks and still have mana left.
In regards to Phyrexian Crusader: In a beatdown deck like this, what good is infect going to be? I did consider him though! He just doesn't support the overall strategy.
Also... if you read the first post... I spoke about why I'm using Raven's Crime over anything else, please read it This deck is not a cut and paste Haakon Deck!
Thank you! It;s funny I was considering cutting some of the blades myself- I wouldn't cut them completely though, as casting them from the yard 4 or five times in a turn is incredibly fun- 8 damage with a single BV out, as well as a +8/+0 boost to TWO of your guys.
I do think the Nameless is preferable for those times that you can't seem to get Haakon though, so maybe a trade off.
I like the number of Ashes where they are- it's never something I want to draw more than one or two of, and is often act as a 'win more' sort of card
staying with the current theme what about Crypt Champion Getting value and with nameless a on him, thats a heap of damage.
Not sure about blades, seems like the slots could you put to better use. Not even sure about using the elemental theme at all.
If you put a nameless on the Crypt Champion it will kill it.