Hiya all. So I've been testing this like a madman. I don't own Goyfs so I don't test with them, HOWEVER, I have found the perfect substitute: Chimeric Mass. The beauty of the Mass, is that IT dodges Pox and Cloud. You can play this on turn 2 as a 2/2 and then proceed to pox and cloud and whatnot, and always have this little guy to beat face. Great card. I wanna say he's almost a little goyf.
So let me start tossing some of my finding out there.
[cardDismember[/card] is a poor man's Putrefy. Maelstrom Pulse is not needed but a great card. Functionally in this deck Putrefy is the exact same card. Only Putrefy is an instant. Tarmogoyf is actually rather bad for this deck in this format. Knight of the Reliquary is way better. Bloodghast is actually really strong. Life from the Loam is also great when you are running manlands.
Fetches in general contribute more to losses than wins. It might not seem like it but the damage they do can put you out of a winning Cloud. I.E. you have a Cloud in hand versus a Zoo player who has 4 dudes on his board. You need to kill all 4 but since you payed 3 life for fetches and 2 for a Shockland your at 4 life instead of 9. You have the needed manlands and your opponent only has 4 lands in play. You would win the game after the cloud but since you have done so much damage to yourself you have in essence lost the game to your own deck.
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Fetches in general contribute more to losses than wins. It might not seem like it but the damage they do can put you out of a winning Cloud. I.E. you have a Cloud in hand versus a Zoo player who has 4 dudes on his board. You need to kill all 4 but since you payed 3 life for fetches and 2 for a Shockland your at 4 life instead of 9. You have the needed manlands and your opponent only has 4 lands in play. You would win the game after the cloud but since you have done so much damage to yourself you have in essence lost the game to your own deck.
Using inquisition of kozilek over thoughtseize helps there. Kitchen finks is really great, but if your so worried about the life loss darkheart sliver is pretty good. For those running small pox you might also want to look at viridian emissary to help recover.
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Using inquisition of kozilek over thoughtseize helps there. Kitchen finks is really great, but if your so worried about the life loss darkheart sliver is pretty good. For those running small pox you might also want to look at viridian emissary to help recover.
Yeah if you go with Smallpox the Emissary is a better STEve.
I have actually considered a more land deck style of build . I am brewing it as we speak. It is insanely expensive if people don't already have the lands.
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Death cloud is going to be a contender for this meta as it can go early at turn 3-4 wiping out hug amounts of resources while still running garruk for tokens. A simple turn 1 amulet of vigor, turn two bop and steve using the rot farm, then end of their turn grabbing a new land, your turn 3 is explosive with garruk into another Steve. Followed by turn 4 death cloud for up to 7 pretty much winning you the game. Other high notes in the deck might be root maze as a way to slow your opponent down, signets as an additional way to utilize our heavy color dependent cards, but then harrow and lotus cobra would cover all bases.
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My list atm. Yes no goyf. It isn't budget consideration or anything like that. IMO in this deck your creatures all need to serve a purpose instead of just going sideways every turn.
I've also though about wall of roots or anything else that can either slow zoo down, or force them to path. Also whats the best way to draw cards in this deck? I might try harmonize even though it cost 4 mana.
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My list atm. Yes no goyf. It isn't budget consideration or anything like that. IMO in this deck your creatures all need to serve a purpose instead of just going sideways every turn.
I've also though about wall of roots or anything else that can either slow zoo down, or force them to path. Also whats the best way to draw cards in this deck? I might try harmonize even though it cost 4 mana.
I have to agree on Goyf. Tombstalker is better IMO since you can play him post Cloud fo cheap and he flies.
In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
I have to agree on Goyf. Tombstalker is better IMO since you can play him post Cloud fo cheap and he flies.
I hadn't put much thought into Fulminator.
fulinator is really good against 12 post, and still does good stuff against other decks by putting pressure on their manabases. If nothing else it helps you get ahead of the game mana wise which makes death cloud better. Tombstalker is a beast who should be able to win the goyf war after you death cloud.
Think I need to change this threads name.
yeah, my list does look badass.:cool2::)
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Would Mimic Vat be good here? I see it as a good t3 drop perhaps. Also, kind of a weird question, but if you cast your Deathcloud of Smallpox, and first you discard Obstinate Baloth, can you then sacrifice him after the initial discard because he comes back to your field when he is discarded? Because that is a great card advantage engine if I ever saw one Also, I don't know how shaky the mana base is at the moment for each color, but would Garruk 2.0 also be a good card advantage engine here? Seeing as he could pump out tokens, draw a good amount of cards, and be a game-finisher for 5 mana that can't be destroyed by Cloud or Pox. Seem legit?
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Obstinate baloth only works if your opponent makes you discard him. Ive been testing 3 wildspeaker and one primal hunter. Wildspeaker is needed and ph isnt. But yes. He is ridiculously good. I use tombstalker to end games
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The way I see it, this deck needs to have an extremely high chance (or even a guarantee) of winning once Death Cloud wipes the board. That is, we don't rely on cards that can take advantage of a huge graveyard (Knight of the Reliquary and Tombstalker" target="blank">Tombstalker both require being cast a turn or two after a Cloud). Even man lands seem fickle to me.
I think a Cloud should trigger enough effects that you could definitively win without playing another spell. This does run into problems of never drawing a Cloud or having it countered...but we can deal with that later
So let me start tossing some of my finding out there.
Dismember is a poor man's Putrefy. Maelstrom Pulse is not needed but a great card. Functionally in this deck Putrefy is the exact same card. Only Putrefy is an instant. Tarmogoyf is actually rather bad for this deck in this format. Agree with all of this. I'm not sure about the aforementioned Chimeric Mass, but its worth a try.
Knight of the Reliquary is way better. Somewhat agree. It is a good card for this deck, but relies on you casting it 2-3 turns after a Cloud, and it still hasn't attacked. That's with the best case scenario of having phenomenal topdecks or a floated Life from the Loam.
Bloodghast is actually really strong. Agree, although I think that Nether Traitor may find better use. You could float B when you Cloud/Smallpox, discard it for the resolution effect, and then it will trigger when creatures are sacrificed. You could attack second Main Phase even.
Fetches in general contribute more to losses than wins. It might not seem like it but the damage they do can put you out of a winning Cloud. I.E. you have a Cloud in hand versus a Zoo player who has 4 dudes on his board. You need to kill all 4 but since you payed 3 life for fetches and 2 for a Shockland your at 4 life instead of 9. You have the needed manlands and your opponent only has 4 lands in play. You would win the game after the cloud but since you have done so much damage to yourself you have in essence lost the game to your own deck.
Agree with all of this. Is there a B/G "This comes into play tapped unless you control a Forest or Swamp" land? I've been away from this game for 6 years, haha.
Along the same lines as the Nether Traitor, Bridge from Below is also very good here. You can discard Bridge or Nether Traitor for the Death Cloud effect, then it will see creatures die as it is in the graveyard and give you a bunch of tokens. It would require a few planets to align to get that hand, but it is something that could happen. See my rulings inquiry here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=346372
You are correct. I never checked the original answer, but it is wrong.
All triggers are controlled by the owner of Bridge from Below and he can stack them however he want. APNAP has nothing to do with it and he can get the tokens before exiling the Bridge.
I also feel Quest for the Gravelord should get some play testing. It doesn't have to be sacrificed when it gets 3 counters, it can survive a Cloud and be popped immediately afterwards.
Using inquisition of kozilek over thoughtseize helps there. Kitchen finks is really great, but if your so worried about the life loss darkheart sliver is pretty good. For those running small pox you might also want to look at viridian emissary to help recover.
Would the Sliver replace the Finks? I feel Finks is perfect in this deck, it survives a cloud, gets you life gain to prepare for a Cloud, etc. I like the suggestion of Emissary. Its higher power could mean that it trades with an attacking creature as well. I would probably run it in an aggro heavy meta where its demise before a Cloud is assured, as I'd rather have the on-demand Tribe Elder to get me lands in preparation of a Cloud.
My list atm. Yes no goyf. It isn't budget consideration or anything like that. IMO in this deck your creatures all need to serve a purpose instead of just going sideways every turn. I fully agree, and feel that with our deck's many areas of need (control, swing, combo) every card needs to have this same thought put into it.
I've also though about wall of roots or anything else that can either slow zoo down, or force them to path. Also whats the best way to draw cards in this deck? I think Smallpox and Barter for Blood can be used to stymy an aggro deck's early assault. By using creatures we don't care about dying, such as Finks or Emissary, we can come out ahead from these cards. Baloth helps to break their tempo with life gain and a body, and the forced Path to Exile giving you a land doesn't hurt either.
I might try harmonize even though it cost 4 mana. I've been using Night's Whisper...seems good enough. The life loss hurts, but I roll with Obstinate Baloth and Finks to get around that.
I like the addition of Fulminator Mage, but I feel initially that it would be more appropriate as a side board card. I haven't done any testing though. I do suppose he comes out as an additional Tribe Elder tempo wise. O Baloth might end up being too slow and not jive with the deck in general.
Would Mimic Vat be good here? I see it as a good t3 drop perhaps.
I don't like Mimic Vat here. It would take too long to get online again and be too dependent on good creatures having died at Cloud.
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A few days ago I went through Gatherer and put together a list of all the Black and Green cards that may be of benefit. I'll put them here...not in any order aside from being coincidentally by set and color.
I think I need to swap out something for hand disruption...not that happy with Puppeteer lately. I probably have too much creature kill, lol. Some of the cards I mentioned I haven't had a chance to test out yet (Changeling Titan, Nath, Nether Traitor, Bridge from Below...not enough time!)
Thought Scour is terrible in BV. How many flashback spells are being run? Say roughly 15. This gives you a roughly 38% chance of milling one flashback spell. And even if you do, you paid one mana to cantrip and dump an overcosted spell. Alchemy, Geistflame, Devil's play, etc. all cost much more to flash back than your average card, so you're not getting full value out of it.
You'd much rather play Ponder. At least that generates a tangible advantage.
THIS 100X!!! If you don't agree with this then there is no amount of logic that will ever convince you that good, non-oppressive, combos should be allowed. If you don't agree with it then just don't play this game, and you certainly shouldn't feel entitled to make any comment on ban lists ever.
the most important thing about this deck is mana curve. You absolutely want to top out at 4. (unless you use tombstalker u should) Sometimes you won't make 4, but against jund Ob baloth is just sick.
@ person mentioning barter in blood
Why not just run damnation? I believe it is strictly better.
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Claymore, I think I'd prefer to have 4 smallpox and 3 Go for the Throat/Putrify. I think that the hand disruption and mana denial provided by smallpox out weighs the single dude that GftT will kill. I also think that you want Golgari Rotfarm. It is so amazing with Garruk, and not to mention it does, in a sense ramp you.
Guy who suggested Gifts.. what exectly are you Gifting for? Unless your running a Loam build, which I think really isn't that good here, there's nothing really worth Gifting for.
I am all for Quest of the Gravelord. That and Bloodghast are really amazing in this deck. Most of the time, Ghast will have haste. then you back that up with Garruk's Overrun, and now a 5/5 zombie.. all the while your opponent is now in topdeck mode, and praying for a land, just to make it look like he was playing the same game. I think Ghast has much more of an affect then Nether Traitor could ever have.
You also get some sicko piles against decks like zoo - Damnation, deathcloud, explosives, witness, Crime//Punishment, Finks, Baloth. Choose your destiny.
Thought Scour is terrible in BV. How many flashback spells are being run? Say roughly 15. This gives you a roughly 38% chance of milling one flashback spell. And even if you do, you paid one mana to cantrip and dump an overcosted spell. Alchemy, Geistflame, Devil's play, etc. all cost much more to flash back than your average card, so you're not getting full value out of it.
You'd much rather play Ponder. At least that generates a tangible advantage.
Yeah, if the creature hasn't died yet/doesn't have a -1/-1 counter, it will return to play. I think Twilight Shepard could be interesting, but requiring access to both WWW and BBB at the same time (cast Shepard, next turn Cloud) would be tough in a deck that is already heavy green. Maybe a white/black deck? Flagstones of Trokair would at least work great there.
Claymore, I think I'd prefer to have 4 smallpox and 3 Go for the Throat/Putrify. I think that the hand disruption and mana denial provided by smallpox out weighs the single dude that GftT will kill. I also think that you want Golgari Rotfarm. It is so amazing with Garruk, and not to mention it does, in a sense ramp you.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them out. My experience with Smallpox was that I sometimes ended up with a hand of Smallpox and Death Cloud against Zoo, essentially making Pox a dead card. Perhaps with more refined playing and learning the deck I can better prepare for it though. Haven't tried the Rotfarm, I'm hesitant about its coming into play tapped and losing a crucial kill spell against Zoo, but I'll give it a shot.
@Barter for Blood vs Damnation
My reasoning for BfB was that it could hit Eldrazi if one pops out before a Cloud (I'm assuming that's what 12post decks do right? Still learning the meta) That and it takes out two Zoo critters. I do suppose its only two though, so maybe it should just be sideboard.
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Also, consider that Liliana counts as occasional mana denial, and it starts to become a significant portion of our strategy.
When I played Cloud in old extended, I loved Rotfarm. It's coming into play tapped, doesn't hurt as much as one would think. I'd say no more then 2 Rotfarms, and you'll only see them when you really need em. Besides, if you play them turn 2, yes, you'll take a bit of damage from Zoo, but you should recover fast enough, then it's pure money once Garruk resolves.
Obstinate baloth only works if your opponent makes you discard him. Ive been testing 3 wildspeaker and one primal hunter. Wildspeaker is needed and ph isnt. But yes. He is ridiculously good. I use tombstalker to end games
Excuse me? A 4/4 for 4 that gains 4 life and shuts down red only works against discard? I would play Obstinate Baloth maindeck in a LOT of green-based decks because he's really good.
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Golgari Rot Farm
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Twilight Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb Of Yawgmoth
4 Swamp
6 Forest
4 Smallpox
3 Death Cloud
4 Thoughtseize
3 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Damnation
1 Smother
4 Sakura Tribe Elder
2 Eternal Witness
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Chimeric Mass
Walkers (6)
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Liliana Vess
I have yet to come up with a SB but I'm working on it.
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[cardDismember[/card] is a poor man's Putrefy.
Maelstrom Pulse is not needed but a great card. Functionally in this deck Putrefy is the exact same card. Only Putrefy is an instant.
Tarmogoyf is actually rather bad for this deck in this format. Knight of the Reliquary is way better.
Bloodghast is actually really strong.
Life from the Loam is also great when you are running manlands.
Fetches in general contribute more to losses than wins. It might not seem like it but the damage they do can put you out of a winning Cloud. I.E. you have a Cloud in hand versus a Zoo player who has 4 dudes on his board. You need to kill all 4 but since you payed 3 life for fetches and 2 for a Shockland your at 4 life instead of 9. You have the needed manlands and your opponent only has 4 lands in play. You would win the game after the cloud but since you have done so much damage to yourself you have in essence lost the game to your own deck.
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Using inquisition of kozilek over thoughtseize helps there. Kitchen finks is really great, but if your so worried about the life loss darkheart sliver is pretty good. For those running small pox you might also want to look at viridian emissary to help recover.
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Yeah if you go with Smallpox the Emissary is a better STEve.
I have actually considered a more land deck style of build . I am brewing it as we speak. It is insanely expensive if people don't already have the lands.
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legacy: Doomsday, Dredge, BUG (shard less and still)
modern: storm, woo dredge, U-tron
EDH: maelstrom wanderer, Gisela, krenko, lazav, sharrum, sheoldred/xiahou dun, norin the wary, Thrax, Mimeoplasm, GW legends
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
3 fulminator mage
3 Eternal Witness
3 Kitchen Finks
2 obstinate Baloth
2 tombstalker
[other spells 20]
4 inquisition of kozilek
3 Garruk Wildspeaker
3 Go for the throat
3 Death Cloud
3 night's whisper
2 Putrefy
2 Damnation
4 verdant catacombs
3 Golgari Rot Farm
3 Marsh flats
2 treetop village
2 overgrown tomb
1 twilight mire
4 forest
3 swamp
1 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
2 obstinate Baloth
2 profane command
2 deathmark
2 beast within
2 thoughtseize
2 rain of tears
1 damnation
1 kitchen finks
1 shriekmaw
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I have to agree on Goyf. Tombstalker is better IMO since you can play him post Cloud fo cheap and he flies.
I hadn't put much thought into Fulminator.
Think I need to change this threads name.
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fulinator is really good against 12 post, and still does good stuff against other decks by putting pressure on their manabases. If nothing else it helps you get ahead of the game mana wise which makes death cloud better. Tombstalker is a beast who should be able to win the goyf war after you death cloud.
yeah, my list does look badass.:cool2::)
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I think a Cloud should trigger enough effects that you could definitively win without playing another spell. This does run into problems of never drawing a Cloud or having it countered...but we can deal with that later
Here are some of my thoughts.
Along the same lines as the Nether Traitor, Bridge from Below is also very good here. You can discard Bridge or Nether Traitor for the Death Cloud effect, then it will see creatures die as it is in the graveyard and give you a bunch of tokens. It would require a few planets to align to get that hand, but it is something that could happen. See my rulings inquiry here http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=346372
I also feel Quest for the Gravelord should get some play testing. It doesn't have to be sacrificed when it gets 3 counters, it can survive a Cloud and be popped immediately afterwards.
Would the Sliver replace the Finks? I feel Finks is perfect in this deck, it survives a cloud, gets you life gain to prepare for a Cloud, etc. I like the suggestion of Emissary. Its higher power could mean that it trades with an attacking creature as well. I would probably run it in an aggro heavy meta where its demise before a Cloud is assured, as I'd rather have the on-demand Tribe Elder to get me lands in preparation of a Cloud.
I like the addition of Fulminator Mage, but I feel initially that it would be more appropriate as a side board card. I haven't done any testing though. I do suppose he comes out as an additional Tribe Elder tempo wise. O Baloth might end up being too slow and not jive with the deck in general.
I don't like Mimic Vat here. It would take too long to get online again and be too dependent on good creatures having died at Cloud.
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A few days ago I went through Gatherer and put together a list of all the Black and Green cards that may be of benefit. I'll put them here...not in any order aside from being coincidentally by set and color.
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Distress
1 Eradicate
1 Genju of the Cedars
1 Hideous Laughter
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Changeling Titan (This guy could be very interesting. Champion your own guy and have a 7/7 beat stick...and when you cloud, you get your creature back. Win win)
1 Creakwood Liege
1 Desecrator Hag
1 Disturbing Plot
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Nath of the Gilt-Leaf [I like this. Very dependent on your opponent having a hand and gets out late at 5cc, but good synergy with Cloud where you could get a bunch of tokens afterwards]
1 Puppeteer Clique (Comes into play and grabs guys out of the graveyard. When you cloud, he sends more to the face. Great synergy, high cost though.)
1 Thoughtseize
1 Worm Harvest (Discussed with good synergy, but is very costly when you're rebuilding afterwards)
1 Barter in Blood
1 Death Cloud
1 Eternal Witness
1 Night's Whisper
1 Terror
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Gleancrawler
1 Golgari Germination (Survives Cloud, good synergy...requires you to have a bunch of guys out though)
1 Crime // Punishment
1 Putrefy
1 Rolling Spoil
1 Savra, Queen of the Golgari
1 Vulturous Zombie
1 Beast Within
1 Fresh Meat
1 Geth's Verdict
1 Geth's Grimoire
1 Glissa, the Traitor
1 Go for the Throat
1 Gruesome Encore
1 Sangromancer
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Viridian Emissary
1 Extractor Demon
1 Grixis Slavedriver
1 Infest
1 Lord of Extinction
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Morbid Bloom
1 Necrogenesis
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Call of the Herd
1 Damnation
1 Dark Withering
1 Faceless Butcher
1 Nether Traitor
1 Psychotic Episode
1 Smallpox
1 Bridge from Below (The ever popular BfB...could be useful. Again, requires creatures upon Clouding)
1 Abyssal Persecutor
1 Bloodghast
1 Corrupted Zendikon
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Kozilek's Predator
1 Dread Drone
1 Growth Spasm
1 Corpsehatch
1 Pawn of Ulamog
1 Quest for the Gravelord
1 Vengevine
1 Cultivate
1 Doom Blade
1 Duress
1 Grave Pact
1 Living Terrain
1 Mindslicer
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Phyrexian Arena (Card draw option? Could kill you quickly though.)
1 Sign in Blood
1 Zombie Infestation
Here's a list I'm testing now...I don't know how to format it for these boards very well though.
4 Kitchen Finks
2 Puppeteer Clique
4 Viridian Emissary
3 Obstinate Baloth
2 Barter in Blood
4 Death Cloud
4 Putrefy
4 Go for the Throat
2 Smallpox
4 Overgrown Tomb
6 Swamp
6 Forest
4 Treetop Village
I think I need to swap out something for hand disruption...not that happy with Puppeteer lately. I probably have too much creature kill, lol. Some of the cards I mentioned I haven't had a chance to test out yet (Changeling Titan, Nath, Nether Traitor, Bridge from Below...not enough time!)
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If so, perhaps add white for Twilight Shepard?
@ person mentioning barter in blood
Why not just run damnation? I believe it is strictly better.
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Claymore, I think I'd prefer to have 4 smallpox and 3 Go for the Throat/Putrify. I think that the hand disruption and mana denial provided by smallpox out weighs the single dude that GftT will kill. I also think that you want Golgari Rotfarm. It is so amazing with Garruk, and not to mention it does, in a sense ramp you.
Guy who suggested Gifts.. what exectly are you Gifting for? Unless your running a Loam build, which I think really isn't that good here, there's nothing really worth Gifting for.
I am all for Quest of the Gravelord. That and Bloodghast are really amazing in this deck. Most of the time, Ghast will have haste. then you back that up with Garruk's Overrun, and now a 5/5 zombie.. all the while your opponent is now in topdeck mode, and praying for a land, just to make it look like he was playing the same game. I think Ghast has much more of an affect then Nether Traitor could ever have.
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Obstinate Baloth
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Tombstalker
3 Treefolk Harbinger
2 Damnation
3 Death Cloud
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Phyrexian Arena
4 Putrefy
4 Forest
3 Golgari Rot Farm
3 Murmuring Bosk
2 Overgrown Tomb
3 Swamp
2 Treetop Village
2 Twilight Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Bastion
Ravens Crime
Worm Harvest
Life from the Loam
You also get some sicko piles against decks like zoo - Damnation, deathcloud, explosives, witness, Crime//Punishment, Finks, Baloth. Choose your destiny.
Yeah, if the creature hasn't died yet/doesn't have a -1/-1 counter, it will return to play. I think Twilight Shepard could be interesting, but requiring access to both WWW and BBB at the same time (cast Shepard, next turn Cloud) would be tough in a deck that is already heavy green. Maybe a white/black deck? Flagstones of Trokair would at least work great there.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them out. My experience with Smallpox was that I sometimes ended up with a hand of Smallpox and Death Cloud against Zoo, essentially making Pox a dead card. Perhaps with more refined playing and learning the deck I can better prepare for it though. Haven't tried the Rotfarm, I'm hesitant about its coming into play tapped and losing a crucial kill spell against Zoo, but I'll give it a shot.
@Barter for Blood vs Damnation
My reasoning for BfB was that it could hit Eldrazi if one pops out before a Cloud (I'm assuming that's what 12post decks do right? Still learning the meta) That and it takes out two Zoo critters. I do suppose its only two though, so maybe it should just be sideboard.
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Excuse me? A 4/4 for 4 that gains 4 life and shuts down red only works against discard? I would play Obstinate Baloth maindeck in a LOT of green-based decks because he's really good.
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