The fact you say you 'cant lose' speculating, shows me you know very little about speculation. Not every card is a winner. Some times you win, most likely you lose though.
And speculation is a game. It is played in every hobby.
Again, all that unexpected reprints would do is change the rules, not kill the game. You might get one or 2 at a reasonable price, but spikes would be much greater.
It doesn't contain enough "risk".
I can say with certainty that if I bought a bunch of Tarmogoyfs today, I will net profit if I sell them 4 months from now.
[quote from="Valanarch" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/219448-modern-prices-discussion?comment=2315"]Personally I have no problems with slow reprintings of high dollar cards such as Modern Masters did it. I do have a problem with those who want $.10 cards across the board. With cards not having any value, the game would suffer terribly. I know I would stop playing competitively if the prize support to play the game was worthless product. I would demand cash prizes for cash entry tournaments. It would kill limited. There would be zero reason to draft or play sealed. (by the way, limited players do a great service to the community. Limited players open up tons of product for other players to play the game. Take that a way and the game suffers.)
I mostly agree with this. I just think that it is ridiculous for Goyf, Bob, Vendilion Clique, Bitterblossom, Karn, Liliana, Cryptic, and so many other cards to cost so much. I am fine with more sets like Modern Masters, but they should either print more of it or make cards like Goyf rares instead of mythics.
Just remember, if the player base wouldnt pay those prices, they would not be that high.
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I don't know why people expect their cards to hold value when the whole point of Modern is that the cards don't rotate and everything is reprintable. I bought into many modern cards but never expected them to be some kind of investment. If my Verdant Catacombs is $40 or $10 it still searches out any shock from my deck. I will still play it. I won't decide I hate the game just because my cardboard is less valuable any more. It might be a turnoff for every card to be $0.03 but I don't think it would ever get to that extreme case. Fetches at $10-15? Goyf at $40-50? Cliques at $15-20? These types of prices are not going drive players away from the game.
Just look at Thoughtseize ($70 down to $15) or Kitchen Finks ($10 down to $3). That's just two examples of a huge loss in value for some key staples in Modern just recently. No mass exodus. No mobs with torches. Yeah if you were holding on to 2000 Finks right before they got printed in MM I'm sure it didn't feel too good. Maybe a LGS holding 20x seize lost some money (and they were speculating just like anyone else, which is inherently risky). But they also sold MM packs. If they continue to print MM and similar packs LGS and wizards will continue to make money off of them.
Coming from someone who didnt 'buy' into the format, but held on to their cards from back in the day. I agree with this post to an extent. I didnt hang on to the cards hoping they would gain value, I hung on to them because I knew once they went out of print a select group of cards would get more expensive and if I wanted to use said cards I would have to buy them at a higher price. Its been this way forever in the game. The difference is 10 years ago $20 was a lot to pay for a card, today $100 is a lot. Its all relative.
Wizards has committed to supporting Modern, correct?
Availability and cost are 2 different things. Some want to say they are the same, but they are not. If people are going to pay high prices for cards, card prices will continue to be high.
Well, of course they aren't the same thing. They are however intimately tied to each other. Cost is derived from the total availability (how many copies are printed - the supply) and demand. Availability is nearly always going to be 100% if you're willing to pay any amount, but most people aren't, so their real availability is dependent on the cost of the card in question. Anyone who buys, sells, or trades cards with market value in mind (nearly everyone who plays or wants to play Modern, I imagine) must consider cost as a primary factor, so it's more reasonable to talk about increasing accessibility rather than increasing availability (or supply) when talking about "supporting Modern".
I guess we'll find out with MM2 how Wizards feels about this. That hasn't been officially announced yet, has it? Anyone know when it might be? Or how long it'll take to be released afterward?
I always pop into this thread when someone say X card has gone up to butt tons dollars. And I'm like "What? no." check the card prices on TCGplayer. Then go, "What in the damn hell?!"
I always pop into this thread when someone say X card has gone up to butt tons dollars. And I'm like "What? no." check the card prices on TCGplayer. Then go, "What in the damn hell?!"
A perfect example of lost value is the shocklands, which used to be $25-$35 each (depending on colors), and are not all roughly $10. Hopefully the same thing happens with fetchlands soon (though they will likely sit around $15-$20 at the end). I feel like fetches are the real issue with getting people into modern, because they are so integral to so many decks. There are easy ways to avoid playing thinks like Goyf and Bob, you can make other decks without them but still have tons of options. Your options without fetches are much more limited.
I don't think anybody is really advocating that they print so many staples that they drop in price to nothing. Fetches at $50 is excessive, and I imagine most people wouldn't mind seeing them at $15-$20. Maybe if a lot of the top end cards dropped by 50% modern would be much more accessible to a large number of players.
Lastly, most times when reprints are done prices will drop and then they will start climbing again. In a year or two the shocklands will likely be at $20 each. Thoughtseize will likely go back up to $30+. Probably the only card that will lose value is Mutavault, since so much of it's appeal is from standard.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Noble Hierarch being $55. I've been pretty fortunate in getting a lot of the Modern staples early on and haven't had to pay out the nose for these cards. I hate it when I hear people that want to get into Modern say things along the lines of "well I want to play this deck but I guess I'll have to run it without Scalding Tarns..." I try to lend out cards when I can to get people to play the decks that they want to play and my local store's Modern meta is booming (We are hitting 14+ people regularly for weekly tournaments. 20 people at the last two.). It is starting to snowball so that other people want to get into it as well but the cost is definitely prohibitive. Personally, I'd be fine with taking a hit to the value of my cards if it meant more people could play. Not to an extent of valueless cards but so things were a bit more reasonable. Modern Masters 2 having a larger print run and knocking down the price barrier a fair chunk would be totally fine by me.
Also, since so many people can't afford multi-color mana bases, there are a ton of mono-colored decks at my store and I really want to make a Blood Moon deck that will be good. If fetches were more available, people already have the Shocks. But maybe I'm being a bit selfish with that dream...
I always looked at Noble Heirarch when it was $30 and was like, "well, I guess I'll play Birds of Paradise". It just doesn't seem worth it to spend the extra money for such a marginal gain....
Here's my question. Why doesn't Wizards directly sell singles? It would allow them to control prices and it would make them a lot of money. And if local stores were put out of business by not being able to sell as many singles, Wizards would be making enough money to buy the stores, directly sell the singles themselves, and make the money off of tournament fees as well.
A little more than ten years ago Wizards had a national chain of game shops (the only ones I saw were in malls). It was not a money making venture and it really hurt other independant shops. I don't know about your LGS, but the owners of the ones around here are not driving AMG Mercedes- in other words they are not making a ton of money. It would be a huge hassle for WotC to manage and ultimately not support local scenes.
There are plenty of cards in circulation. There are certain entities that buy up any and every card in an area. I know people that are holding thousands of cards waiting for the price to get to where it is profitable to dump. Think 1000 SFM, or 2500 AV's, 1200 Ooze, 1000 Mutavaults. They buy these cards at market value knowing that once they cycle out of Standard or are unbanned they will sky rocket in price.
Yea, I don't believe those numbers for a second. Really...someone dumped $15,000 into mutavault? That is moronic when that money invested in a low risk fund would yield far more in even as little as 10 years as all of those cards, and it is far easier to liquidize.
If those numbers (and I still don't believe you) were accurate then you know people that are the worst aspect of this game by far.
I always looked at Noble Heirarch when it was $30 and was like, "well, I guess I'll play Birds of Paradise". It just doesn't seem worth it to spend the extra money for such a marginal gain....
If you are playing Bant colors then it is pretty dang amazing. There have been so many games I have played where that stupid little exalted trigger has been the thing that won for me. It also means that it is not nearly as dead of a draw late game as Birds is, because even if your mana base has stabilized you are still getting creature pump. I only own one in meatspace, but fortunately I bought four when they were somewhere below 20 tix on MTGO, so I get to use them there.
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Personally, I'd be fine with taking a hit to the value of my cards if it meant more people could play. Not to an extent of valueless cards but so things were a bit more reasonable. Modern Masters 2 having a larger print run and knocking down the price barrier a fair chunk would be totally fine by me.
Also, since so many people can't afford multi-color mana bases, there are a ton of mono-colored decks at my store and I really want to make a Blood Moon deck that will be good. If fetches were more available, people already have the Shocks. But maybe I'm being a bit selfish with that dream...
Yeah, but apparently wizards want to protect at all costs the investment of people that stocks a bunch of Liliana of the Veils instead of the people opening packs and buying supplemental products directly from them, so...
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Personally, I'd be fine with taking a hit to the value of my cards if it meant more people could play. Not to an extent of valueless cards but so things were a bit more reasonable. Modern Masters 2 having a larger print run and knocking down the price barrier a fair chunk would be totally fine by me.
Also, since so many people can't afford multi-color mana bases, there are a ton of mono-colored decks at my store and I really want to make a Blood Moon deck that will be good. If fetches were more available, people already have the Shocks. But maybe I'm being a bit selfish with that dream...
Yeah, but apparently wizards want to protect at all costs the investment of people that stocks a bunch of Liliana of the Veils instead of the people opening packs and buying supplemental products directly from them, so...
While I agree with Capt. Nick that I would also be fine with the value of my cards taking a hit, specifically fetch lands, as I'd like to see more people in the format, the statement that wizards is protecting investors seems somewhat baseless to me.
Speculators are unfortunately, part of the game. But what Wizards is in my mind mostly protecting is the small businesses and local shops. If staples were cheap, many people who don't play drafts wouldn't even bother buying packs (a loss for Wizards and local stores). Part of the excitement of opening a pack is the excitement of what great card you might open, which I'd imagine keeps many people buying packs and boxes (for the record, I never buy packs, which means with the current prices I should be all for super cheap cards right?) Cheap singles would crash the market and at the end of the day hurt small business and mom and pop shops. These are the places that we go to play. Their singles inventory would crash, they would sell less packs and also attract far less turnout for tournaments that give out top format staples for the winners.
A balance is the way to do it in my opinion, slowly keep prices down with regular re-prints. I think this is what Wizards wants to do with Modern and is still working on figuring out the balance. Again, I'd rather them start conservative rather than overdo it and crash the game. If anything MM increased interest in the format, now causing a shortage and price increase, so let's see if they can slowly bring prices down to more reasonable numbers with steady re-prints over the next few years. Also, part of what keeps people playing is having an end goal for a deck that takes time to improve and build, if you just start out with the best of everything then you won't be looking to trade, get new cards, win tournaments to help finish your deck.
You have to remember whom WotC is protecting when you say it is protecting "investors." These folks are the ones that run the card shops, both b/m and online. They're not only investors, they are associates. They are in business with WotC. That being said, to all those who want 10 cent cards across the board remember that if the game has no value everything goes away. No card stores will carry it, there will be no place to play it (outside of kitchen tables)and ultimately no company will support or produce it. WotC has done something quite amazing. They have created a virtual economy that is backed by the very cards it creates. My guess is WotC will just keep creating formats. People say well reprint fetches or Goyfs or whatever. To that I say why would they, especially when they can just create another format when numbers start dropping at Modern or Legacy events. It would be more cost effective to simply generate a new format. People who want Legacy will invest in it. The same is true for Modern. The same is true for Commander(though WotC didn't create EDH). What has to remain constant though is the high value cards because, just like the Federal Reserve backs the dollar, Power Nine, Goyf, Wasteland, ABUs etc, back the modern game. Its their value that guarantees we'll see another set in the future. If the value cards are devalued, the game is devalued.
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You will never get the price of staples down, to do that you would need to reprint every staples in existence all at the same time. Prices of staples are not only driven by the demand of the decks that use them, they are also driven by the price of the other cards that complete those decks. For example, when modern was a new format Shocklands demanded that same price tag that Fetchlands demand now. Why? Because for every Fetchlands in existence, there are fewer Shocklands. Now that they have reprinted the Shocklands, the Fetchlands are now fewer and are demanding a higher price than Shocklands.
Speculators are unfortunately, part of the game. But what Wizards is in my mind mostly protecting is the small businesses and local shops. If staples were cheap, many people who don't play drafts wouldn't even bother buying packs (a loss for Wizards and local stores). Part of the excitement of opening a pack is the excitement of what great card you might open, which I'd imagine keeps many people buying packs and boxes (for the record, I never buy packs, which means with the current prices I should be all for super cheap cards right?) Cheap singles would crash the market and at the end of the day hurt small business and mom and pop shops. These are the places that we go to play. Their singles inventory would crash, they would sell less packs and also attract far less turnout for tournaments that give out top format staples for the winners.
No. I can't buy packs from Time Spiral or Zendikar.
Reprinting some LoTV as tournaments promos, for example, would affect only the people that piled them (speculators).
Actually, everytime they reprint some of those staples via suplemental products like FTV, the big winner out there are the LGS.
A balance is the way to do it in my opinion, slowly keep prices down with regular re-prints. I think this is what Wizards wants to do with Modern and is still working on figuring out the balance. Again, I'd rather them start conservative rather than overdo it and crash the game. If anything MM increased interest in the format, now causing a shortage and price increase, so let's see if they can slowly bring prices down to more reasonable numbers with steady re-prints over the next few years. Also, part of what keeps people playing is having an end goal for a deck that takes time to improve and build, if you just start out with the best of everything then you won't be looking to trade, get new cards, win tournaments to help finish your deck.
That's what everyone wants (except speculators holding onto those cards), but it's being at such a slow rate that for every card that they make 20 dollars cheaper (like Thoughtseize), 10 other cards increase 30 dollars in price.
I really hope they can keep the big reprints coming, but with only big one reprint per block (like Thoughtseize), the price of staples in generall will just keep inflating at the same absurd rates.
You have to remember whom WotC is protecting when you say it is protecting "investors." These folks are the ones that run the card shops, both b/m and online. They're not only investors, they are associates. They are in business with WotC. That being said, to all those who want 10 cent cards across the board remember that if the game has no value everything goes away. No card stores will carry it, there will be no place to play it (outside of kitchen tables)and ultimately no company will support or produce it. WotC has done something quite amazing. They have created a virtual economy that is backed by the very cards it creates. My guess is WotC will just keep creating formats. People say well reprint fetches or Goyfs or whatever. To that I say why would they, especially when they can just create another format when numbers start dropping at Modern or Legacy events. It would be more cost effective to simply generate a new format. People who want Legacy will invest in it. The same is true for Modern. The same is true for Commander(though WotC didn't create EDH). What has to remain constant though is the high value cards because, just like the Federal Reserve backs the dollar, Power Nine, Goyf, Wasteland, ABUs etc, back the modern game. Its their value that guarantees we'll see another set in the future. If the value cards are devalued, the game is devalued.
Nobody on this thread ever asked for that nonsense 10 cents cards.
I think that all of us want an affordable format.
The prices are just rising.
I'd be ok with the most expensive cards of the format being 100 dollars.
I'm not okay with 300 dollar Tarmogoyfs, 200 dollars LotV/Bob and 100 dollars Noble Hierarchs or 100 dollars fetchlands.
That is the point where they will end up the next year if they see no reprint.
Guys, I'm in real dilemma here. I can buy 2 Tarmogoyf (MMA) for 246 dollar, it this a good deal? I want to play them, already own one. Will they raise the coming weeks / months or drop?
I'd buy them if I hadn't the set.
They will keep going up until they see a reprint on a standard set, so you if you consider it an investment, it is a safe one for the next months.
I'd buy them if I hadn't the set.
They will keep going up until they see a reprint on a standard set, so you if you consider it an investment, it is a safe one for the next months.
Yea, it would take a staggeringly huge printing of Goyf to significantly impact it's price. It is that sought after.
So you are against anyone who tries to make money? I dont see a problem with the practice. They are not stealing from anyone. Its a strictly financial thing to them, which is fine by me. Its a game with in a game some refuse to acknowledge. Speculating and playing the secondary market is just another aspect of Magic. Any hobby with a market to speak of has those that play the market and not the hobby.
Again be mad at the player base for paying the prices. If the players didnt pay the price, those selling could not sell at those prices. (completely different then a mandated payment to a 3rd party entity, apples and oranges)
I have no problem with the speculators or LGS out to earn a living. I like having places to go play.
I would like it if each card cost 10 cents but that is below the cost a card in each pack. A pack of 15 cards for 4.00 dollars is 26.6 cents per card about. So lets have each card cost 26.6 cents.
I would like it if each card cost 10 cents but that is below the cost a card in each pack. A pack of 15 cards for 4.00 dollars is 26.6 cents per card about. So lets have each card cost 26.6 cents.
Unrealistic, and the player base would be a fraction of what it is now if it was that way. Not to mention who would sell the product and give players a place to play sanctioned events? There is no profit in selling cards for pennies on the dollar, hence no LGS to play at.
I would like it if each card cost 10 cents but that is below the cost a card in each pack. A pack of 15 cards for 4.00 dollars is 26.6 cents per card about. So lets have each card cost 26.6 cents.
Unrealistic, and the player base would be a fraction of what it is now if it was that way. Not to mention who would sell the product and give players a place to play sanctioned events? There is no profit in selling cards for pennies on the dollar, hence no LGS to play at.
I hope a game shop is not entirely based of magic singles, but that is their business decision. Even cards where that low there still would be sealed product of newer cards that would be in demand. There would still be players too, and I don't care if its smaller at least they are playing the game not because the value of their cards.
It doesn't contain enough "risk".
I can say with certainty that if I bought a bunch of Tarmogoyfs today, I will net profit if I sell them 4 months from now.
Just remember, if the player base wouldnt pay those prices, they would not be that high.
Coming from someone who didnt 'buy' into the format, but held on to their cards from back in the day. I agree with this post to an extent. I didnt hang on to the cards hoping they would gain value, I hung on to them because I knew once they went out of print a select group of cards would get more expensive and if I wanted to use said cards I would have to buy them at a higher price. Its been this way forever in the game. The difference is 10 years ago $20 was a lot to pay for a card, today $100 is a lot. Its all relative.
Well, of course they aren't the same thing. They are however intimately tied to each other. Cost is derived from the total availability (how many copies are printed - the supply) and demand. Availability is nearly always going to be 100% if you're willing to pay any amount, but most people aren't, so their real availability is dependent on the cost of the card in question. Anyone who buys, sells, or trades cards with market value in mind (nearly everyone who plays or wants to play Modern, I imagine) must consider cost as a primary factor, so it's more reasonable to talk about increasing accessibility rather than increasing availability (or supply) when talking about "supporting Modern".
I guess we'll find out with MM2 how Wizards feels about this. That hasn't been officially announced yet, has it? Anyone know when it might be? Or how long it'll take to be released afterward?
I guess we'll find out with MM2 how Wizards feels about this. That hasn't been officially announced yet, has it? Anyone know when it might be? Or how long it'll take to be released afterward?[/quote]
If I recall correctly, they said they want to do it again, but there hasn't been much more info than that
Right.
From the Vault/Commander Arsenal and similar "limited print run" stuff already gives enough profit to the LGS.
What card was it this time?
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I don't think anybody is really advocating that they print so many staples that they drop in price to nothing. Fetches at $50 is excessive, and I imagine most people wouldn't mind seeing them at $15-$20. Maybe if a lot of the top end cards dropped by 50% modern would be much more accessible to a large number of players.
Lastly, most times when reprints are done prices will drop and then they will start climbing again. In a year or two the shocklands will likely be at $20 each. Thoughtseize will likely go back up to $30+. Probably the only card that will lose value is Mutavault, since so much of it's appeal is from standard.
Also, since so many people can't afford multi-color mana bases, there are a ton of mono-colored decks at my store and I really want to make a Blood Moon deck that will be good. If fetches were more available, people already have the Shocks. But maybe I'm being a bit selfish with that dream...
Yea, I don't believe those numbers for a second. Really...someone dumped $15,000 into mutavault? That is moronic when that money invested in a low risk fund would yield far more in even as little as 10 years as all of those cards, and it is far easier to liquidize.
If those numbers (and I still don't believe you) were accurate then you know people that are the worst aspect of this game by far.
At the expense of the health of the game...yes.
It is, but it was never supposed to be. Trading was supposed to be part of the game, not preying on people who want to play.
If you are playing Bant colors then it is pretty dang amazing. There have been so many games I have played where that stupid little exalted trigger has been the thing that won for me. It also means that it is not nearly as dead of a draw late game as Birds is, because even if your mana base has stabilized you are still getting creature pump. I only own one in meatspace, but fortunately I bought four when they were somewhere below 20 tix on MTGO, so I get to use them there.
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Yeah, but apparently wizards want to protect at all costs the investment of people that stocks a bunch of Liliana of the Veils instead of the people opening packs and buying supplemental products directly from them, so...
While I agree with Capt. Nick that I would also be fine with the value of my cards taking a hit, specifically fetch lands, as I'd like to see more people in the format, the statement that wizards is protecting investors seems somewhat baseless to me.
Speculators are unfortunately, part of the game. But what Wizards is in my mind mostly protecting is the small businesses and local shops. If staples were cheap, many people who don't play drafts wouldn't even bother buying packs (a loss for Wizards and local stores). Part of the excitement of opening a pack is the excitement of what great card you might open, which I'd imagine keeps many people buying packs and boxes (for the record, I never buy packs, which means with the current prices I should be all for super cheap cards right?) Cheap singles would crash the market and at the end of the day hurt small business and mom and pop shops. These are the places that we go to play. Their singles inventory would crash, they would sell less packs and also attract far less turnout for tournaments that give out top format staples for the winners.
A balance is the way to do it in my opinion, slowly keep prices down with regular re-prints. I think this is what Wizards wants to do with Modern and is still working on figuring out the balance. Again, I'd rather them start conservative rather than overdo it and crash the game. If anything MM increased interest in the format, now causing a shortage and price increase, so let's see if they can slowly bring prices down to more reasonable numbers with steady re-prints over the next few years. Also, part of what keeps people playing is having an end goal for a deck that takes time to improve and build, if you just start out with the best of everything then you won't be looking to trade, get new cards, win tournaments to help finish your deck.
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No. I can't buy packs from Time Spiral or Zendikar.
Reprinting some LoTV as tournaments promos, for example, would affect only the people that piled them (speculators).
Actually, everytime they reprint some of those staples via suplemental products like FTV, the big winner out there are the LGS.
That's what everyone wants (except speculators holding onto those cards), but it's being at such a slow rate that for every card that they make 20 dollars cheaper (like Thoughtseize), 10 other cards increase 30 dollars in price.
I really hope they can keep the big reprints coming, but with only big one reprint per block (like Thoughtseize), the price of staples in generall will just keep inflating at the same absurd rates.
Nobody on this thread ever asked for that nonsense 10 cents cards.
I think that all of us want an affordable format.
The prices are just rising.
I'd be ok with the most expensive cards of the format being 100 dollars.
I'm not okay with 300 dollar Tarmogoyfs, 200 dollars LotV/Bob and 100 dollars Noble Hierarchs or 100 dollars fetchlands.
That is the point where they will end up the next year if they see no reprint.
I'd buy them if I hadn't the set.
They will keep going up until they see a reprint on a standard set, so you if you consider it an investment, it is a safe one for the next months.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Again be mad at the player base for paying the prices. If the players didnt pay the price, those selling could not sell at those prices. (completely different then a mandated payment to a 3rd party entity, apples and oranges)
I have no problem with the speculators or LGS out to earn a living. I like having places to go play.
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Unrealistic, and the player base would be a fraction of what it is now if it was that way. Not to mention who would sell the product and give players a place to play sanctioned events? There is no profit in selling cards for pennies on the dollar, hence no LGS to play at.
I hope a game shop is not entirely based of magic singles, but that is their business decision. Even cards where that low there still would be sealed product of newer cards that would be in demand. There would still be players too, and I don't care if its smaller at least they are playing the game not because the value of their cards.
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