I actually just started playing this deck last weekend after playing Jund for three years, so the switch was easy. Even though most people are on Grixis, this deck is still very powerful. This version seems a lot more flexible with how a person wants to play it, also.
The deck is certainly still good, I play it almost exclusively on MTGO floating around a 70% win rate, and I'm certainly worse than your average day 2 GP player. I think the lack of discussion has been mainly due to the recent decklist restriction and the lack of modern events surrounding the PT.
One innovation that i haven't seen discussed a lot here is the addition of 1 hazoret, which significantly improved the deck by giving points vs uw control and grixis, which needed some help. As anyone who has played against grixis knows its very common to iok/ts them and see a bunch of removal+ snaps, the addition of hazoret to the deck instantly changes this position from one in which you are very likely to lose to one in which you are likely to win.
There are a few idea's i have been kicking around but haven't quite worked out yet.
1) because of traverse if you can find room for 2 blue sources the addition of a 1-2 snapcaster mages likely makes you a better snapcaster deck than Grixis. Though maybe with out thoughtscour/serum visions snap is to reactive.
2) I'm fairly certain I want access to blue in the SB, much less convinced of white. I'd love to cut white if i can find a 2nd powerful traverse target outside of harzoret for the U/W & grixis matchups. Thrun so far has not been great. If i cut white, id love to get a rec sage in there to answer bridge and leylines.
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RUG:
10-3-4(ID)
Venser UW control:
3-0-1
What do u guys thinks of Grim Flayer and Ghor Clan Rampager? I currently run 2 Falyers MB. Some lists these days start running 1 GCR again, is it that good?
@plybenk123, we're much worse against any of the snapcaster mage decks. much better against the artifact decks, about even against the combo decks, and probably a bit better against the green creature deck.
Both decks are equally interactive, grixis is probably a bit smoother, but its also slower. Jund often wins by creating an opening and pressing that advantage without ever coming close to taking full control of the game. Grixis actually establishes control a bit more often due to being able to grind with snap + K comm
@Davos I have only played like 3 leagues with ghor clan but i have never been impressed with it, it does so much less damage than temur battle rage. when running it vs combo decks i often found myself in a situation where termur battle rage would be lethal, and ghor clan just wasn't which cost me the game.
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3-0-1
Started putting it in the side to suit up lingering souls tokens (as well as make goyf bigger than Tasigur) and push through damage against small creature and token strategies while also potentially adding to delirium if it gets dumped.
I found it a little more useful than TBR but that's also because I have stuck with W splash as opposed to U.
Hazoret is great against GDS and UW control but it can be pretty awkward if u draw it when playing against affinity or coco decks. Currently I have her in my sideboard
I think in some cases the blue is great, but it's really not clear if it's actually better. What were your matchups and what white cards were you running? Did the white cards you have make a big difference in your matchups?
I dropped white after adding hazoret to the main, as that helps the grixis matchup a lot. the main issue with running white and blue is i want a really good affinity/eldrazi tron matchup and cant get the slots to do that splashing both.
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RUG:
10-3-4(ID)
Venser UW control:
3-0-1
RG Ponza, Grixis Shadow and GW Company. White does make a big difference in Grixis matchup. I didn't draw traverse to get my Hazoret but my flying spirit tokens got me there.
I reckon there're still a lot of good matchups among tier 1 and 2 decks. Maybe the reason why DSJ is currently a Tier 2/3 deck is that we don't have good pilots since almost everyone goes Grixis?
The old Death's Shadow Zoo thread is locked and links here. This thread mostly looks like the Delirium builds from before GDS got really popular. Does anyone know of a thread where people are talking about the Wild Nacatl builds like this one: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-4-color-death-s-shadow#paper.
There was a DSJ made Day 2 at Birmingham, but it didn't make top 32. I now wanna switch to Abzan Midrange but there're a lot of Tron at the local store... I might still be playing DSJ. Do you guys still wanna play this deck?
Just made 2do place at my lgs with dsj
After playing grixis shadow a long time i feel jund version is still very good
The Discard and goyf plan is proactive and can win you matches easy
Grixis some times is a game of drawing and losing life
Hazoret is great against GDS and UW control but it can be pretty awkward if u draw it when playing against affinity or coco decks. Currently I have her in my sideboard
How is it good against UW? They can just Path it. Wouldn't Ranger be at least as good as Hazoret?
I am thinking about including it, but the 4 CMC is putting me off a bit.
I've tried it before. Its super great against Combo decks and decks play small creatures, such as company decks and burn. However, it can not reflect its value against decks like Eldrazi Tron and Shadow cos their creatures are generally bigger and you can not attack with it. I dropped them a few weeks ago cos there're a lot of GDS at the local store
One innovation that i haven't seen discussed a lot here is the addition of 1 hazoret, which significantly improved the deck by giving points vs uw control and grixis, which needed some help. As anyone who has played against grixis knows its very common to iok/ts them and see a bunch of removal+ snaps, the addition of hazoret to the deck instantly changes this position from one in which you are very likely to lose to one in which you are likely to win.
There are a few idea's i have been kicking around but haven't quite worked out yet.
1) because of traverse if you can find room for 2 blue sources the addition of a 1-2 snapcaster mages likely makes you a better snapcaster deck than Grixis. Though maybe with out thoughtscour/serum visions snap is to reactive.
2) I'm fairly certain I want access to blue in the SB, much less convinced of white. I'd love to cut white if i can find a 2nd powerful traverse target outside of harzoret for the U/W & grixis matchups. Thrun so far has not been great. If i cut white, id love to get a rec sage in there to answer bridge and leylines.
RUG:
10-3-4(ID)
Venser UW control:
3-0-1
lantto, who along with butakov and gerryt are probably the people who should be listened to most on the deck posted a pretty good pros-cons list here(http://www.mtgmintcard.com/articles/writers/magnus-lantto/choosing-the-right-flavor-of-deaths-shadow). though i think claim//fame is unplayable in jund and wouldn't follow his list.
Both decks are equally interactive, grixis is probably a bit smoother, but its also slower. Jund often wins by creating an opening and pressing that advantage without ever coming close to taking full control of the game. Grixis actually establishes control a bit more often due to being able to grind with snap + K comm
@Davos I have only played like 3 leagues with ghor clan but i have never been impressed with it, it does so much less damage than temur battle rage. when running it vs combo decks i often found myself in a situation where termur battle rage would be lethal, and ghor clan just wasn't which cost me the game.
RUG:
10-3-4(ID)
Venser UW control:
3-0-1
I found it a little more useful than TBR but that's also because I have stuck with W splash as opposed to U.
RUG:
10-3-4(ID)
Venser UW control:
3-0-1
I reckon there're still a lot of good matchups among tier 1 and 2 decks. Maybe the reason why DSJ is currently a Tier 2/3 deck is that we don't have good pilots since almost everyone goes Grixis?
UBRGrixis Kiki Control
BGUSultai Shadow
GWRBushwhacker Zoo
EDH:
BGU Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
UBR Marchesa, the Black Rose
GWU Roon of the Hidden Realm
After playing grixis shadow a long time i feel jund version is still very good
The Discard and goyf plan is proactive and can win you matches easy
Grixis some times is a game of drawing and losing life
How is it good against UW? They can just Path it. Wouldn't Ranger be at least as good as Hazoret?
I am thinking about including it, but the 4 CMC is putting me off a bit.
What about Rhonas? He would be great, given that we can stick another creature.
Neither does Rhonas.
Seems great against small creature decks giving trample.