I could definitely see myself boarding in extra GY hate, I wouldn't do it for my local store though, a lot of people don't really just pick the deck up to outmeta people
Actually, why do we need the fourth Fatal Push in our SB? I am thinking, this could just be a Terminate instead. That way we could have Terminate and Pulse in our SB. This would really help for those pesky delve creatures and any Primeval Titan for example.
Specifically the Spellbomb and Grudge slot can be exchanged with a Ethersworn Canonist or Kozilek's Return for example, depending on the meta of course.
Yeah, I am hesitant to cut the forest since I do face a lot of Paths in my meta. Also, there is quite a bit of Tron going around, which holds me off playing 2 LtLH. I usually find more use in the classic LoTV. For an open field I would change that I think.
I have been way less impressed with LOTV in Shadow decks in comparison to Jund and Junk. I feel like I need those cards in my hand more than the typical GBx. I also don't really feel like LOTV is the difference maker against Tron. I need to discard, and throw out a big Goyf/Shadow.
LTLH has just felt better to me, and shores up more matches were opponents go wide.
I can understand if people are using those paths, but I've been fairly happy with the mana base.
I have been way less impressed with LOTV in Shadow decks in comparison to Jund and Junk. I feel like I need those cards in my hand more than the typical GBx. I also don't really feel like LOTV is the difference maker against Tron. I need to discard, and throw out a big Goyf/Shadow.
LTLH has just felt better to me, and shores up more matches were opponents go wide.
I can understand if people are using those paths, but I've been fairly happy with the mana base.
Definitely LoTV is not the difference maker against Tron, that is true. Its just that she is a better card against them. But I might give the 2/1 split in favour of LtLH a try.
Actually, why do we need the fourth Fatal Push in our SB? I am thinking, this could just be a Terminate instead. That way we could have Terminate and Pulse in our SB. This would really help for those pesky delve creatures and any Primeval Titan for example.
Specifically the Spellbomb and Grudge slot can be exchanged with a Ethersworn Canonist or Kozilek's Return for example, depending on the meta of course.
I had that exact thought in the shower this morning and spitballed a list identical to yours, but with a Scavenging Ooze instead of the Spellbomb.
I've been rocking terminate over 4th push for a bit now. I don't really like scooze though. It's rarely active fast enough. The spellbomb is a 1 drop answer that we can hold back for value and extraction is "free" and instant. I don't think a "3" drop is good enough when it will hit at most 3-4 at a time and usually 1-2
I think Scooze is great vs other midrange/control decks, and he's okay against Dredge when they don't have their nut hands. My shop is a little midrange heavy at the moment, so I've been slanting a bit towards that with my sideboard.
I will give the Terminate over Fatal Push a try today. We'll see how it goes from there.
In the sb? Do you think it's worth since Fatal Push hits most things we want?
Yes in the SB. I think push hits very many things, but I want more answers for delve creatures and primeval titan. Those give me a hard time sometimes. By cutting the fourth push and replacing it with Terminate I have maelstrom pulse plus terminate as potential answers.
I'm not THAT crazy about LOTV in the maindeck, although she's definitely a 1 of. Like I said, I don't think she's as good here as she is in Junk and Jund.
The leylines make a lot of sense with dredge on the rise. I haven't always been a fan of leylines, but maybe it's not a bad idea.
Yeah you are probably right, 4 Lili PWs are probably too many. 3 seems to be the right number. A terminate in the mb could work too, yeah. But I guess the exclusion of Ghor Clan has finally become to be more a go to way now. And that is something I like.
I´ve been running a lot better with this configuration since all those removal.dec tend to struggle with either Liliana (emblem ftw)
However I`m worried that this is too many 3 drops in the deck and also too unreliable delirium vs decks where you can't get your removal online fast.
I´ve been thinking of cutting a K-Command for a second Tarfire (or a second decay) but having the MB artefact hate can be really nice (though the current meta feels realtivly meh for the card overall, tons of path and rip, not many creatures that acutally die to command etc)
Also I´ve read the suggestion to cut the stomping ground for a second blood crypt, which sounds intreaguing.
I rarely actually fetch the stomping ground (unless I have no other lands to get anymore) and it also makes the landbase more awkward (since it's the only land that Delta can't get)
I like the maindeck Terminate, seems like a good idea to play it instead of a second Decay. But I guess 4 Lilis are one too much. I would still go for 2/1 split in favour of either one which seems better for you.
I think cutting Stomping Ground is pushing the manabase a bit too far. I know the fetchlands would become better, but there are some matchups where you wanna fetch conservatively, like burn for example. Getting to fetch for Stomping and Swamp for all 3 main colours is what I appreciate quite a bit I must say. Did you test it actually?
I think if I went to a large tournament I'd definitely rethink some popular sideboard cards
The untouchable cards in the side for me are
3x Lingering Souls
1x Ranger
1x Push
1x Terminate
3x Fulminator Mage
I could definitely see myself boarding in extra GY hate, I wouldn't do it for my local store though, a lot of people don't really just pick the deck up to outmeta people
I am thinking about testing this SB:
3 Fulminator Mage
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Collective Brutality
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Terminate
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Ancient Grudge
Specifically the Spellbomb and Grudge slot can be exchanged with a Ethersworn Canonist or Kozilek's Return for example, depending on the meta of course.
My list is atm:
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Polluted Delta
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Godless Shrine
1 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Street Wraith
4 Death's Shadow
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4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Thoughtseize
3 Fatal Push
2 Tarfire
2 Temur Battle Rage
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Kolaghan's Command
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
And SB is basically as I posted before.
My list looks exactly like that except I don't run a forest, and run marsh flats instead of the polluted delta's. Also switched copies of the Lillies.
LTLH has just felt better to me, and shores up more matches were opponents go wide.
I can understand if people are using those paths, but I've been fairly happy with the mana base.
Definitely LoTV is not the difference maker against Tron, that is true. Its just that she is a better card against them. But I might give the 2/1 split in favour of LtLH a try.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I had that exact thought in the shower this morning and spitballed a list identical to yours, but with a Scavenging Ooze instead of the Spellbomb.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Yes in the SB. I think push hits very many things, but I want more answers for delve creatures and primeval titan. Those give me a hard time sometimes. By cutting the fourth push and replacing it with Terminate I have maelstrom pulse plus terminate as potential answers.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Interesting approach with a Terminate and 4 Lotv maindeck going 5-0 there. It skipped kcommand in the main for them and a copy of souls.
The leylines make a lot of sense with dredge on the rise. I haven't always been a fan of leylines, but maybe it's not a bad idea.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I like the maindeck Terminate, seems like a good idea to play it instead of a second Decay. But I guess 4 Lilis are one too much. I would still go for 2/1 split in favour of either one which seems better for you.
I think cutting Stomping Ground is pushing the manabase a bit too far. I know the fetchlands would become better, but there are some matchups where you wanna fetch conservatively, like burn for example. Getting to fetch for Stomping and Swamp for all 3 main colours is what I appreciate quite a bit I must say. Did you test it actually?
What does your list look like?