Has anyone else tested noxious revival? It's pretty solid by itself as a "shock" and lets us recycle anything in our yard. It's especially nice with street wraith and slightly less with bauble. There's some corner case situations where you can control your opponents next draw too.
Has anyone else tested noxious revival? It's pretty solid by itself as a "shock" and lets us recycle anything in our yard. It's especially nice with street wraith and slightly less with bauble. There's some corner case situations where you can control your opponents next draw too.
It can have some value, but I think its the same with all synergistic cards in a good-stuff deck like this. They can sometimes be a very bad topdeck or just not the thing you need. I am thinking, what does it do basically? Its not helping you getting a card that you don't have but need because it must be in the yard already. And I feel you won't just always be able to recur your threat (which seems to be of best value I think). It can have great value, but actually, on its own, when the other factors don't align, the card is fearly weak. For this reason I don't like it quite much.
But I must say I haven't tested it yet. Thats just my thinking about the card. Have you tried it? If yes MB or SB? And how did it perform for you?
I do agree that it can be a bad draw at times and that's why I've only been playing it as a 1 of. I have been testing it and enjoy it so far. I also like being able to guarantee another land drop if I need it. There's so many corner cases for it too. Like countering an opposing surgical extraction. I've also been able to keep 1 landers with it more often because I can set up my draw to hit the second land I need to finish playing my hand out.
Haven't been following this as closely as I wanted to, but in trying to come up with some Death's Shadow ideas one idea that stuck out at me... has anyone tried Eidolon of the Great Revel? Not only is it a solid card on it's own when you're putting your opponent under life pressure, but it's two card types for Traverse, and it enables Death's Shadow.
So is the Primer actually under construction? Does anybody know the state of the art? I haven't seen crexalbo posting here in a while. I think with the amount of information we have now, a Primer can certainly be done and it would be nice to have one at this point.
How does everyone feel about these different variants of Death Shadow decks? If WOTC allows it, will death shadow be the equivalent of Delver of Secrets in legacy?
Has anyone messed around with Abzan Shadow decks? It looked absolutely hilarious against the eggs deck in yesterdays team tournament.
How do some of the regulars here from the jund boards feel about Death Shadow? I mean, barring a ban, this really feels like the death of traditional Jund, and more like where Jund is evolving now, we're seeing Jund slip closer to the 2% mark on mttgoldfish and sinking lower every week.
I miss Bob, but if no Bob means beating Tron, sign me up.
A lot of the guys in the Jund forum kinda laughed me off and said I was being dramatic when I said regular Jund served no purpose with DSJ being a deck---but, look where the deck is now (like I said, if WOTC allows Shadow to stay tier 1). The deck looked powerful on mtgo before it's big GP breakout.
Has anyone messed around with Abzan Shadow decks? It looked absolutely hilarious against the eggs deck in yesterdays team tournament.
I think these Abzan lists are mainly due to the team modern constructed restricitions. I think Jund is still the best and will be the best considering 1-vs-1 tournaments.
How are these decks playing Abzan Shadow and DSJ in the same team? Are they splitting up their traverses and Shadows? I thought no decks could share a card but I could have sworn I saw a team that had Death Shadow and DSJ.
I was playing Death Shadow Abzan this morning, it's pretty good. There were times I really missed tarfire and Temur Battle-rage though. It seems like the Abzan version is way better against interactive decks but the deck definitely felt slower against combo decks/go wide and was harder to cast deliium.
I think DSJ is actually decent in attrition matchups given the white splash for ranger and souls. The other versions do have the edge in game 1 but after sideboarding DSJ can easily even it out or make it better. For example playing against grixis shadow, for me it feels hard in game 1 but i feel a little bit ahead in games 2/3 due to Lingering souls and surgical for their snapcaster mage
Not nescessarily harder to reach delirium with abzan because of Architects of Will. Now that the meta has adapted to dsj I feel abzan splash red could be better, with souls maindeck, putting the battle rages in the side. Or maybe just go abzan with some double cleaves in the side.
Not nescessarily harder to reach delirium with abzan because of Arcitects of Will. Now that the meta has adapted to dsj I feel abzan splash red could be better, with soul souls maindeck, putting the battle rages in the side. Or maybe just go abzan with some double cleaves in the side.
I think abzan is worse due to the lack of TBR which just means opposing Lingering souls Tokens will block any threat of ours all day long. Abzan CoCo decks also get worse given the amount of blockers they have. Heck, even storm gets worse, as their goblins hold our threats off pretty easily (was observable in yesterdays Match of reid duke on abzan shadow vs storm)
@greywyn what do you mean? Do you mean sideboarding? If yes, I literally posted a sideboard guide a page back
What about Emerge Unscathed as the Temur Battle Rage replacement in Abzan ?
It can both protect from removal and make the creature virtually unblockable on the next turn.
What about Emerge Unscathed as the Temur Battle Rage replacement in Abzan ?
It can both protect from removal and make the creature virtually unblockable on the next turn.
The point of Temur Battle Rage / Double Cleave is to be able to win a turn before. You have a bunch of discard-spells to protect your creature from removal, if need be.
I think you guys keep forgetting this was a unified modern team event. Obviously, due to the prevelant restrictions, different versions of Death Shadow came up. It doesn't automatically mean that an Abzan Death Shadow list performing well in unified Modern (like Reid Duke's version) will also be the best overall. I personally really don't see the benefit of running Abzan over Jund mainboard. KCommand, Tarfire, TBR and Kozilek's Return/Anger of the Gods is not something I would want to loose. And we also have white in the SB.
For me going for Abzan was just a move to enable Owen go for Grixis Control honestly.
Agreed, people need to completely ignore most of the decklists in the tournament, period. It was a fun tournament to watch, but they have to strategize and weaken their decks so their teammates can play other decks
Reid Duke is the jund man, but you could tell he was playing a crippled deck, he really needed those red cards. I honestly think he should have just played the real abzan shadow deck with paths and charms at that point, he was harming himself.
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Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
It can have some value, but I think its the same with all synergistic cards in a good-stuff deck like this. They can sometimes be a very bad topdeck or just not the thing you need. I am thinking, what does it do basically? Its not helping you getting a card that you don't have but need because it must be in the yard already. And I feel you won't just always be able to recur your threat (which seems to be of best value I think). It can have great value, but actually, on its own, when the other factors don't align, the card is fearly weak. For this reason I don't like it quite much.
But I must say I haven't tested it yet. Thats just my thinking about the card. Have you tried it? If yes MB or SB? And how did it perform for you?
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Has anyone messed around with Abzan Shadow decks? It looked absolutely hilarious against the eggs deck in yesterdays team tournament.
How do some of the regulars here from the jund boards feel about Death Shadow? I mean, barring a ban, this really feels like the death of traditional Jund, and more like where Jund is evolving now, we're seeing Jund slip closer to the 2% mark on mttgoldfish and sinking lower every week.
I miss Bob, but if no Bob means beating Tron, sign me up.
A lot of the guys in the Jund forum kinda laughed me off and said I was being dramatic when I said regular Jund served no purpose with DSJ being a deck---but, look where the deck is now (like I said, if WOTC allows Shadow to stay tier 1). The deck looked powerful on mtgo before it's big GP breakout.
I think these Abzan lists are mainly due to the team modern constructed restricitions. I think Jund is still the best and will be the best considering 1-vs-1 tournaments.
How are these decks playing Abzan Shadow and DSJ in the same team? Are they splitting up their traverses and Shadows? I thought no decks could share a card but I could have sworn I saw a team that had Death Shadow and DSJ.
I was playing Death Shadow Abzan this morning, it's pretty good. There were times I really missed tarfire and Temur Battle-rage though. It seems like the Abzan version is way better against interactive decks but the deck definitely felt slower against combo decks/go wide and was harder to cast deliium.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
Anyone have a good summary of DSJ matchups?
Thanks.
I think abzan is worse due to the lack of TBR which just means opposing Lingering souls Tokens will block any threat of ours all day long. Abzan CoCo decks also get worse given the amount of blockers they have. Heck, even storm gets worse, as their goblins hold our threats off pretty easily (was observable in yesterdays Match of reid duke on abzan shadow vs storm)
@greywyn what do you mean? Do you mean sideboarding? If yes, I literally posted a sideboard guide a page back
It can both protect from removal and make the creature virtually unblockable on the next turn.
The point of Temur Battle Rage / Double Cleave is to be able to win a turn before. You have a bunch of discard-spells to protect your creature from removal, if need be.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
For me going for Abzan was just a move to enable Owen go for Grixis Control honestly.
Reid Duke is the jund man, but you could tell he was playing a crippled deck, he really needed those red cards. I honestly think he should have just played the real abzan shadow deck with paths and charms at that point, he was harming himself.