Against ad nauseam i would go for the ethersworn canonist route
Sorry I should have specified, only for straight jund.
How has the white splash been for you Flying?
Oh, alright, then I would agree with you. Discard, artifact hate and landhate are the best options. But over anything though: a fast clock.
The whitesplash is really great so far, i haven't had any consistancy issues whatsoever until now like some people have stated. So right now I can't confirm that, its actually great so far. I will try the jund version myself next to see where the differences are and if I miss the white cards then. I have to admit, being able to run anger seems intriguing.
Besides this I will write my take on a sideboard guide soon using my knowledge for regular jund and applying it to the Death Shadow deck.
Against ad nauseam i would go for the ethersworn canonist route
Sorry I should have specified, only for straight jund.
How has the white splash been for you Flying?
Oh, alright, then I would agree with you. Discard, artifact hate and landhate are the best options. But over anything though: a fast clock.
The whitesplash is really great so far, i haven't had any consistancy issues whatsoever until now like some people have stated. So right now I can't confirm that, its actually great so far. I will try the jund version myself next to see where the differences are and if I miss the white cards then. I have to admit, being able to run anger seems intriguing.
Besides this I will write my take on a sideboard guide soon using my knowledge for regular jund and applying it to the Death Shadow deck.
I've been testing both. Straight Jund helps gives a more control focus post sideboard, where as splashing white gives a better midrange game, but not as great at control. Obviously playing bullets in the side help as well.
Reclamation Sage
Phyrexian Revoker
Eidolon of Rhetoric
Kataki, war's wage
Ethersworn canonist
Big game hunter
Magus of the moon
How interesting that these players are electing to sideboard out the discard against Grixis and GBx. My only issue is that I am not running white so my sideboarding is differing. It makes me wonder how this deck deals with liliana of the veil if you run no discard, you don't have the creature mass to overwhelm her. Your tarfires are also pumping up their Goyfs. Hitting Bob is important, I suppose you could hit Flayers and Nobles with tarfire, too.
I still don't agree with Liliana, the last hope in the main board, she is an incredibly dead card in a bunch of matchups and she's at the top of the mana curve.
I'll have to write these sideboards out later and match them up with how Gerry T and Sam Black did.
As Junk, I was treating it like a normal B/G/x matchup and sided out my discard for more removal and haymakers (Gideon). My opponent left his discard in, and ran into the classic problem of topdecking discard while I was topdecking actual spells. I asked him about it afterwards, he'd sided out his Tarfires and a couple other cards (don't recall what), and I felt like it would have been better for him to have sided out the discard. His reasoning was that he thought that he wouldn't be able to stick a threat without stripping my removal first.
Just played a Shadow deck with me as Junk. Game one, I absolutely dismantled him, but game 2 was pretty close, he got a ton of value off of LOTV game 2 and we were topdecking until I couldn't kill a Shadow
He quit before game 3 so I was a little frustrated not seeing the result
Good to know I should just treat it like any GBx
So, Defish, as the Shadow player, you think they should be siding out discard, too? Can Death Shadow fight through all that removal, especially if they don't play the white splash?
Just a thought on trondrazi and bant, what about Magus of the moon or blood moon in the sb? We can sometimes just win if we have a timely moon effect.
BM is only good vs Bant, Eldrazi Tron can more easily handle it as they run wastes and have Mind Stones/All is dust. I think against ELdrazi Tron BM or Magus would just kill yourself. Against Bant its though, BM is great basically, but you definitely will be hurting yourself to a similar extend. Overall I don't think that is any good in the long run.
I have played ~70 matches on MODO and I have tutored it exactly twice and drew it about 12 times.
In those games the 2 times I tutored for it he won me the game, but likely another DS would have won as well.
In the times I drew it, it lost me the game (versus something else, like a MD Brutality) 3 times, and was worse than Brutality 8 times (by worse I mean Brutality would've been situationally better). It won me 1 game, but Brutality probably would have too in that situation.
Finally the fact that I virtually never tutor for it when given probably over 150+ opportunities over those matches leads me to believe I don't need it...it just feels nice to have a tutor-able trample effect.
Sorry I should have specified, only for straight jund.
How has the white splash been for you Flying?
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Legacy:
GBCombo Elves
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GEzuri, Renegade Leader's Elf Ball
Cube:
180 Peasant Micro Cube
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
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Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Oh, alright, then I would agree with you. Discard, artifact hate and landhate are the best options. But over anything though: a fast clock.
The whitesplash is really great so far, i haven't had any consistancy issues whatsoever until now like some people have stated. So right now I can't confirm that, its actually great so far. I will try the jund version myself next to see where the differences are and if I miss the white cards then. I have to admit, being able to run anger seems intriguing.
Besides this I will write my take on a sideboard guide soon using my knowledge for regular jund and applying it to the Death Shadow deck.
Reclamation Sage
Phyrexian Revoker
Eidolon of Rhetoric
Kataki, war's wage
Ethersworn canonist
Big game hunter
Magus of the moon
Affinity
Legacy:
GBCombo Elves
EDH:
GEzuri, Renegade Leader's Elf Ball
Cube:
180 Peasant Micro Cube
Follow the link for nice cheap clothing.
Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
I still don't agree with Liliana, the last hope in the main board, she is an incredibly dead card in a bunch of matchups and she's at the top of the mana curve.
I'll have to write these sideboards out later and match them up with how Gerry T and Sam Black did.
I need to find more time to test and take some notes on what performs in what way.
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Follow the link for nice cheap clothing.
Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Just played a Shadow deck with me as Junk. Game one, I absolutely dismantled him, but game 2 was pretty close, he got a ton of value off of LOTV game 2 and we were topdecking until I couldn't kill a Shadow
He quit before game 3 so I was a little frustrated not seeing the result
Good to know I should just treat it like any GBx
So, Defish, as the Shadow player, you think they should be siding out discard, too? Can Death Shadow fight through all that removal, especially if they don't play the white splash?
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
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Playing:
Death's Shadow Jund
Played:
Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
BM is only good vs Bant, Eldrazi Tron can more easily handle it as they run wastes and have Mind Stones/All is dust. I think against ELdrazi Tron BM or Magus would just kill yourself. Against Bant its though, BM is great basically, but you definitely will be hurting yourself to a similar extend. Overall I don't think that is any good in the long run.
I suggested this as a Traverse bullet. it can certainly win you the games if you fetch correctly.
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Legacy:
GBCombo Elves
EDH:
GEzuri, Renegade Leader's Elf Ball
Cube:
180 Peasant Micro Cube
I have played ~70 matches on MODO and I have tutored it exactly twice and drew it about 12 times.
In those games the 2 times I tutored for it he won me the game, but likely another DS would have won as well.
In the times I drew it, it lost me the game (versus something else, like a MD Brutality) 3 times, and was worse than Brutality 8 times (by worse I mean Brutality would've been situationally better). It won me 1 game, but Brutality probably would have too in that situation.
Finally the fact that I virtually never tutor for it when given probably over 150+ opportunities over those matches leads me to believe I don't need it...it just feels nice to have a tutor-able trample effect.
Anyone else have similar or contrary results?
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Legacy:
GBCombo Elves
EDH:
GEzuri, Renegade Leader's Elf Ball
Cube:
180 Peasant Micro Cube