There were 56 in the one Spsiegel and I attended, which is about what that shop usually gets. I think the smallest turnout for one that I've been to was 25-30 people.
As DeFish noted, it really depends on where you are (people and stores in your area). Usually though, most IQs get to the size of a constructed PPTQ if you're familiar with them (between 30 to 60 people).
I like your list, seems pretty close to what I would run. How to you deal with E-Tron or are you lucky to not have it much in your meta? I personally would run a couple LtLH in my 75 like always, but that may be preference.
I know I'm off of it, mtgo has big tron coming back. E-Tron has shrunk at my FNM, it was in droves in the last PPTQ with none making it to the top 8, and very few were playing it at the IQ; the few that did---did not do well, minus a player on Bant Eldrazi, who is probably better than a majority of the players at the IQ
I'm seeing E-Tron falling in multiple stores at this point, and I'm off the deck for the time being as well (I love the deck, but I doubt i'd even get a 2-2 at this point with it).
I think the pro-tour will decide if E-Tron is decidedly tier 2
Seems good! I also did notice, a few more good results for Jund, we got a league 5-0 and a modern Ptq 8-0, piloted by the same player. Both lists are similar, 24 lands and rabblemasters.
There's a lot of interesting things about his list, I feel like we haven't seen the 12 creature/4 Ravine configuration do really well since the days of Twin, because it's such a reactive shell. This list doesn't look like it'd be too bothered by the tapped lands early though, having 6 discard spells and 6 1-drop removal spells. This definitely looks like a list designed to prey on the go-wide strategies that have emerged as an answer to E-Tron and Scapeshift recently, although it's also giving up a lot of points in the burn matchup with only 2 Collective Brutalities as lifegain in the entire 75. But man, any deck looking to turn creatures sideways is really going to struggle against this.
There's a lot of interesting things about his list, I feel like we haven't seen the 12 creature/4 Ravine configuration do really well since the days of Twin, because it's such a reactive shell. This list doesn't look like it'd be too bothered by the tapped lands early though, having 6 discard spells and 6 1-drop removal spells. This definitely looks like a list designed to prey on the go-wide strategies that have emerged as an answer to E-Tron and Scapeshift recently, although it's also giving up a lot of points in the burn matchup with only 2 Collective Brutalities as lifegain in the entire 75. But man, any deck looking to turn creatures sideways is really going to struggle against this.
It even has got 7 discard spells! I think this is a good call, since I often had the feeling our removal is somewhat situational, for which reason attacking the hand more makes sense. Been thinking about going up to 7 discard for while also, didn't really pull the trigger though.
Whoops, just totally misread that on the list. I agree about the extra discard, I'm on the 5 color shadow list right now and one of the biggest surprises is just how powerful the full 8 discard spells is. I wasn't expecting the extra 2 spells to make as much difference as they do, but they just show up so much more.
Updated the primer a bit, added rabblemaster + explanation and tuned some numbers in the landbase and decktemplate. I plan to rework sideboard plans for all relevant matchups now, since some plans could be outdated.
I like your list, seems pretty close to what I would run. How to you deal with E-Tron or are you lucky to not have it much in your meta? I personally would run a couple LtLH in my 75 like always, but that may be preference.
There is Eldrazi Tron in my meta (a little, not a ton). I'm probably 50/50 against it historically. I don't think I do anything special - just try to grind them out and keep them off balance from reaching big mana. Often, they lose to the fact that their deck is not as consistent.
With that deck configuration I played that day I think I would sideboard:
Oh and regarding Liliana the Last Hope, I sometimes do have one in the sideboard - but not often. I feel the sweepers (Anger, Flaying Tendrils in this case) are far better sideboard tech for the times I'd typically want to bring in Lili the Last Hope (i.e. small creature decks). For grinding purposes (the other typical use of Last Hope) - I have that extra Huntmaster, Olivia, and Finks.
The last event I played in about a month ago I did just that. It was a small 5 rounder before cutting to the Top 8. I went undefeated - so that's 8 in a row against a field some people would say is not "Jund friendly".
How did you sideboard against storm? I noticed that in the semifinals you kept Huntmaster in after the sideboard which seems a little interesting to me. Did you cut some creature removal then?
I made some changes to my list using the suggestions of flyingdelver
I made 3-1, losing to a surprising lantern (without anything of sb), but part is my fault for some errors.
the results were:
Lantern 1x2
Company retreat 2x1
ur storm 2x1
uw midrange(with walkers and mass removals) 2x0
I need improve my SB, but i'm Very happy with the deck.
I made some mistakes, I need to play more to gain experience and make less mistakes.
The List: https://deckstats.net/decks/74507/840714-jund-moon
How did you sideboard against storm? I noticed that in the semifinals you kept Huntmaster in after the sideboard which seems a little interesting to me. Did you cut some creature removal then?
I think you definitely cut Terminates and I would argue even some Pushes. What I know, experiences Storm players will side out Medallion Bears against us to blank our removal. Obviously keeping Bolt for some surprize bears is still great, at the very worst it can go face. Its still a gamble though, I bet not all Storm players will side out the bears, so its kinda hard to predict.
I made some changes to my list using the suggestions of flyingdelver
I made 3-1, losing to a surprising lantern (without anything of sb), but part is my fault for some errors.
the results were:
Lantern 1x2
Company retreat 2x1
ur storm 2x1
uw midrange(with walkers and mass removals) 2x0
I need improve my SB, but i'm Very happy with the deck.
I made some mistakes, I need to play more to gain experience and make less mistakes.
The List: https://deckstats.net/decks/74507/840714-jund-moon
Congratz on your results, happy that the deck performed well. Maybe a misers Ancient Grudge is always good to have in the SB, would consider that. If I am not mistaken, you don't have much affinity in your meta right? For a more general purpose, I would absolutely run 1-2 Grudges is what I would suggest instead, if I take the general meta as reference. But if you don't have much affinity, 0-1 would work. I personally would still play 1 if I can, since you can almost always find applications for one throughout a tournament.
I think against fnm players you should be careful about removing too much spot removal. I'd probably just remove 2x terminates to test the waters. They may also side some in on the play.
When I was on E-Tron, I cut a crap ton of creatures to play against storm, and had a really good win rate. That's why I was always surprised when people said it was such a bad matchup. I pretty much just relied on thought-knots and Smashers to beat down.
+2x Collective Brutality
+3x Graveyard hate
+1x Anger of the gods/K-Return
I would't hesitate to shave 1 or 2 Goblin Rabblemasters.
Honestly, I'm not even that impressed with the cage/spellbomb approach against Storm, I really think discard, Bob/Goyf into LOTV just wrecks them so hard. You don't have to beat them down that hard, you just need to shred their hand.
If I don't see any creatures game 2 I'll gladly shave 2x terminates but I think cutting too much removal is risky, it's kinda like when Twin would bluff with their sideboard game plan back in the days.
The last event I played in about a month ago I did just that. It was a small 5 rounder before cutting to the Top 8. I went undefeated - so that's 8 in a row against a field some people would say is not "Jund friendly".
How did you sideboard against storm? I noticed that in the semifinals you kept Huntmaster in after the sideboard which seems a little interesting to me. Did you cut some creature removal then?
Thank you. I believe I sideboarded as below. I kept Huntmasters and brought in sweepers because the likeliest way Storm would beat me would be with Empty the Warrens. Even a very "mild" Empty the Warrens is horrible because it allows them to chump long enough to gather enough cards to "go off" again. Huntmaster, due to flipping and trampling effects, eats up tokens like candy and punishes them for not playing cards if they are trying to save them up for critical mass. Otherwise, the rest of the sideboard was GY hate for Past in Flames, and hand hate (Collective Brutality - also good at killing Electromancers).
I think against fnm players you should be careful about removing too much spot removal. I'd probably just remove 2x terminates to test the waters. They may also side some in on the play.
When I was on E-Tron, I cut a crap ton of creatures to play against storm, and had a really good win rate. That's why I was always surprised when people said it was such a bad matchup. I pretty much just relied on thought-knots and Smashers to beat down.
+2x Collective Brutality
+3x Graveyard hate
+1x Anger of the gods/K-Return
I would't hesitate to shave 1 or 2 Goblin Rabblemasters.
Honestly, I'm not even that impressed with the cage/spellbomb approach against Storm, I really think discard, Bob/Goyf into LOTV just wrecks them so hard. You don't have to beat them down that hard, you just need to shred their hand.
If I don't see any creatures game 2 I'll gladly shave 2x terminates but I think cutting too much removal is risky, it's kinda like when Twin would bluff with their sideboard game plan back in the days.
Yeah its definitely a gamble, I agree that propably most players won't cut the bears. However, Caleb Scherer does so, which makes me think it would be the correct way to do it. Cutting a few terminates and Decays does not seem that wrong to me. Even if its just one.
I do think though that GY hate is necessary. It makes it really hard for them to win if you have an active Spellbomb on the field. They probably then would need to make tokens, pieces of the puzzle or do some Grapeshot + Remand shenanigans to win.
Until dredge and Living End comes back, I think I'm just dedicating 2x graveyard hate, and since Company decks are making a comeback, I'm just covering my base with 2x Cages.
It's hard for GY decks to thrive when Shadow and Storm decks are on top. As soon as decks like those come back, E-Tron will go up in numbers and we'll have a meta shift
Regular Jund is feeling good in the shift, and without being stretched so thin with GY hate, I feel good.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new mtgo list with 4 Ravines. Ravine is so, so clunky. 2 in the opener or early on feels so awful.
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Random question, how many people typical play in the SCG IQs?
I like your list, seems pretty close to what I would run. How to you deal with E-Tron or are you lucky to not have it much in your meta? I personally would run a couple LtLH in my 75 like always, but that may be preference.
I know I'm off of it, mtgo has big tron coming back. E-Tron has shrunk at my FNM, it was in droves in the last PPTQ with none making it to the top 8, and very few were playing it at the IQ; the few that did---did not do well, minus a player on Bant Eldrazi, who is probably better than a majority of the players at the IQ
I'm seeing E-Tron falling in multiple stores at this point, and I'm off the deck for the time being as well (I love the deck, but I doubt i'd even get a 2-2 at this point with it).
I think the pro-tour will decide if E-Tron is decidedly tier 2
It even has got 7 discard spells! I think this is a good call, since I often had the feeling our removal is somewhat situational, for which reason attacking the hand more makes sense. Been thinking about going up to 7 discard for while also, didn't really pull the trigger though.
There is Eldrazi Tron in my meta (a little, not a ton). I'm probably 50/50 against it historically. I don't think I do anything special - just try to grind them out and keep them off balance from reaching big mana. Often, they lose to the fact that their deck is not as consistent.
With that deck configuration I played that day I think I would sideboard:
-4 Inquisition of Kozilek
-2 Lightning Bolt
-1 Fatal Push
-1 Abrupt Decay
+3 Fulminator Mage
+2 Ancient Grudge
+1 Olivia
+2 Kitchen Finks
Oh and regarding Liliana the Last Hope, I sometimes do have one in the sideboard - but not often. I feel the sweepers (Anger, Flaying Tendrils in this case) are far better sideboard tech for the times I'd typically want to bring in Lili the Last Hope (i.e. small creature decks). For grinding purposes (the other typical use of Last Hope) - I have that extra Huntmaster, Olivia, and Finks.
Congrats on the great result!
How did you sideboard against storm? I noticed that in the semifinals you kept Huntmaster in after the sideboard which seems a little interesting to me. Did you cut some creature removal then?
I made 3-1, losing to a surprising lantern (without anything of sb), but part is my fault for some errors.
the results were:
Lantern 1x2
Company retreat 2x1
ur storm 2x1
uw midrange(with walkers and mass removals) 2x0
I need improve my SB, but i'm Very happy with the deck.
I made some mistakes, I need to play more to gain experience and make less mistakes.
The List:
https://deckstats.net/decks/74507/840714-jund-moon
I think you definitely cut Terminates and I would argue even some Pushes. What I know, experiences Storm players will side out Medallion Bears against us to blank our removal. Obviously keeping Bolt for some surprize bears is still great, at the very worst it can go face. Its still a gamble though, I bet not all Storm players will side out the bears, so its kinda hard to predict.
Congratz on your results, happy that the deck performed well. Maybe a misers Ancient Grudge is always good to have in the SB, would consider that. If I am not mistaken, you don't have much affinity in your meta right? For a more general purpose, I would absolutely run 1-2 Grudges is what I would suggest instead, if I take the general meta as reference. But if you don't have much affinity, 0-1 would work. I personally would still play 1 if I can, since you can almost always find applications for one throughout a tournament.
When I was on E-Tron, I cut a crap ton of creatures to play against storm, and had a really good win rate. That's why I was always surprised when people said it was such a bad matchup. I pretty much just relied on thought-knots and Smashers to beat down.
For jund, I generally would would cut
-2/3x Kalitas/Huntmaster/Chandra
-2x Kolagham's Command
+2x Collective Brutality
+3x Graveyard hate
+1x Anger of the gods/K-Return
I would't hesitate to shave 1 or 2 Goblin Rabblemasters.
Honestly, I'm not even that impressed with the cage/spellbomb approach against Storm, I really think discard, Bob/Goyf into LOTV just wrecks them so hard. You don't have to beat them down that hard, you just need to shred their hand.
If I don't see any creatures game 2 I'll gladly shave 2x terminates but I think cutting too much removal is risky, it's kinda like when Twin would bluff with their sideboard game plan back in the days.
Thank you. I believe I sideboarded as below. I kept Huntmasters and brought in sweepers because the likeliest way Storm would beat me would be with Empty the Warrens. Even a very "mild" Empty the Warrens is horrible because it allows them to chump long enough to gather enough cards to "go off" again. Huntmaster, due to flipping and trampling effects, eats up tokens like candy and punishes them for not playing cards if they are trying to save them up for critical mass. Otherwise, the rest of the sideboard was GY hate for Past in Flames, and hand hate (Collective Brutality - also good at killing Electromancers).
-3 terminate
-2 Abrupt Decay
-1 Fatal Push
-1 Kolaghan's Command
+2 Grafdigger's Cage
+2 Collective Brutality
+1 Anger of the Gods
+1 Flaying Tendrils
Yeah its definitely a gamble, I agree that propably most players won't cut the bears. However, Caleb Scherer does so, which makes me think it would be the correct way to do it. Cutting a few terminates and Decays does not seem that wrong to me. Even if its just one.
I do think though that GY hate is necessary. It makes it really hard for them to win if you have an active Spellbomb on the field. They probably then would need to make tokens, pieces of the puzzle or do some Grapeshot + Remand shenanigans to win.
Yes I agree with this.
It's hard for GY decks to thrive when Shadow and Storm decks are on top. As soon as decks like those come back, E-Tron will go up in numbers and we'll have a meta shift
Regular Jund is feeling good in the shift, and without being stretched so thin with GY hate, I feel good.
I'm not sure how I feel about the new mtgo list with 4 Ravines. Ravine is so, so clunky. 2 in the opener or early on feels so awful.