It does work.
Kiki taps targeting resto, that enters again and targets kiki. Now you activate displacer targeting kiki in response countering resto's ability. And kiki is tapped.
Try this in a Competitive REL tournament and see how you go!
Can you please provide an argument other than "you are wrong"
On reflection I believe that you can disrupt the infinite combo with Eldrazi Displacer using the below strategy in the following scenario (see second paragraph). I'd really like to get a Judge's interpretation though - I'm not 100% sure. However, it is pretty messy and while it stops the infinite combo - the 'Kiki-Chord player' still gets a good amount of value out of it. My preferred strategy is to path/dismember Kiki-Jiki while its activation trigger is on the stack (targeting Resto Angel) or simply play Pithing Needle naming Kiki-Jiki.
The 'Kiki-Chord player' has Restoration Angel on the battlefield and they cast Kiki-Jiki, activate Kiki-Jiki to target Restoration Angel and makes a copy of Restoration Angel. This results in a battlefield situation where there is an original Restoration Angel and a copy of Restoration Angel for a total of 2x Restoration Angel's and a tapped Kiki-Jiki. At this point, the 'Bant Eldrazi player' can respond by activating Eldrazi Displacer to exile Kiki-Jiki, resulting in Kiki-Jiki being exiled and returning to the battlefield tapped. At this point the combo is disrupted as Kiki-Jiki cannot be further 'blinked' by copies of Restoration Angel.
Question on the mana base: Does <card> Aether Hub </card> deserve a spot? Comes into play untapped. Provides colorless, and gives you that extra color if you find yourself hosed? Yea it's a one shot but usually you only need the bump once before the games over. What do you think?
Question on the mana base: Does <card> Aether Hub </card> deserve a spot? Comes into play untapped. Provides colorless, and gives you that extra color if you find yourself hosed? Yea it's a one shot but usually you only need the bump once before the games over. What do you think?
Fringe scenario as a 1-of, but won't see play. See: tendo ice bridge.
You simply do it in response to Resto Angel's trigger. It's not really that complicated, is it?
How it goes: Kiki copies Resto. Copy-Restoration Angel's trigger is on the stack, Kiki-Jiki has been targeted. You activate Eldrazi Displacer and target Kiki-Jiki. Displacer's ability resolves first and Kiki-Jiki is exiled and returns tapped, then Resto Angel's ability is countered because its target is illegal (because Kiki-Jiki is a new object).
What's complicated?
I've been trying to figure this out and I get different answers from different people - i'd really like a higher level judge to answer this categorically..
You simply do it in response to Resto Angel's trigger. It's not really that complicated, is it?
How it goes: Kiki copies Resto. Copy-Restoration Angel's trigger is on the stack, Kiki-Jiki has been targeted. You activate Eldrazi Displacer and target Kiki-Jiki. Displacer's ability resolves first and Kiki-Jiki is exiled and returns tapped, then Resto Angel's ability is countered because its target is illegal (because Kiki-Jiki is a new object).
What's complicated?
I've been trying to figure this out and I get different answers from different people - i'd really like a higher level judge to answer this categorically..
janus answere3d it right. the same goes if bolt targets any creature, we displace the targeted creature and bolt will fizzle.
What do people think about Flashfreeze and Disdainful stroke? I personally haven't run any counterspells for awhile but now I am looking to improve my RG Valakut matchup.
FLASHFREEZE
RG Valakut - Primeval Titan (most important), Through the Breach, Pact, Scapeshift and every other spell in their deck.
Burn - all spells
Dredge - Conflagrate which I think is one of the key cards in the deck for us to deal with to keep our dudes on the field. Also paired with Worship this can be a way to beat dredge (assuming they spent there Natures Claims on RIP/Cage and/or milled them)??
UR Ascension/Prowess decks - various cards - seems just ok
Infect - Become Immense, other pump spells - seems just ok at best?
Zoo/Death's Shadow - Temur battle Rage? - doesn't seem all that great?
Abzan CoCo/Elves - hits chords, CoCo - doesnt seem all that great?
Flashfreeze hits blood moon - extra points for that..
DISDAINFUL STROKE
RG Valakut - All the important cards
Dredge - they usually Conflagrate for 4+ cmc
Tron - All creature/PW bombs - sadly not Oblivion Stone
Ad Nauseum - Ad Nauseum
Mirror - TKS, Smasher etc - a big gamble in the face of Cavern of Souls
UWx - Cryptic Command, Nahiri, Wrath of God
Abzan/Elves - CoCo, Chord (some of the time)..
On balance it seems Flashfreeze is superior overall?
I have just recently started playing this deck, and I just had a quick question about tuning the deck for one meta or another.
Looking at tournament lists from the past few months it seems like the primary adjustments from the baseline deck are:
-1 Drowner
-1 Displacer
-1 Reshaper
-1 Explosives
-1 Spellskite
With the following possible additions:
+1 Birds
+1-2 Dismember
+1 Skyspawner
I am looking for some basic advice about what types of metas warrant going towards some of those additional cards, but more importantly what cards can come out.
The adjustments are only a few cards, but sometimes I will see one list with a bird and a dismember added in for a skite and a drowner, and then another list with birds and dismember but no explosives and -1 displacer. I guess TLDR is that I am looking for what tier decks those specific cards are strong or weak against.
I have just recently started playing this deck, and I just had a quick question about tuning the deck for one meta or another.
Looking at tournament lists from the past few months it seems like the primary adjustments from the baseline deck are:
-1 Drowner
-1 Displacer
-1 Reshaper
-1 Explosives
-1 Spellskite
With the following possible additions:
+1 Birds
+1-2 Dismember
+1 Skyspawner
I am looking for some basic advice about what types of metas warrant going towards some of those additional cards, but more importantly what cards can come out.
The adjustments are only a few cards, but sometimes I will see one list with a bird and a dismember added in for a skite and a drowner, and then another list with birds and dismember but no explosives and -1 displacer. I guess TLDR is that I am looking for what tier decks those specific cards are strong or weak against.
i play 23 lands, opening up another slot for a flexi card but i play 5 mana dorks tho.
I use this two. Of course you might find yourself changing it a bit depending on you personal expierence. For example i don't cut all Smashers against Infect and Burn because i like having that explosive opening and racing them. Especially against Burn where you never really stabilize.
Also, i don't like taking many cards since i feel i'm diluting my deck too much.
Although he expressly states he doesn't think that any bans should take place - it appears to be a veiled attempt to start a conversation about banning something. He mentions cards like Ancient Stirrings and/or Eldrazi Temple. I think if either got hit the deck wouldn't exist anymore - actually without Cavern of Souls I think the deck would fall over as well..
I think that guy drastically overstates the power of the deck. When decks like dredge and infect are around I wouldn't call this deck overpowered or unfair. We typically lose game 1 vs dredge, valakut decks, and several others popular decks in the format.
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Standard: Gave it up
Modern: Eldrazi Tron, UW Tron, GR Tron, BW Tokens, WU Death and Taxes
Thinking about grabbing some pieces for this deck but want to wait on Hierachs until MM17. Will BOPs provide an ok alternative (albeit strictly worse)?
Can you please provide an argument other than "you are wrong"
Nvm was in wrong thread
U B Faeries
U B Mill
G W B Bant Eldrazi
Not only did we cover this but on this same page no less lol.
Modern: Eldrazi Tron, UW Tron, GR Tron, BW Tokens, WU Death and Taxes
I don't think elves, abzan coco and kiki chord are bad MU for us. I played some games vs these decks, with EE and cage (and TKS) it's very winable
The 'Kiki-Chord player' has Restoration Angel on the battlefield and they cast Kiki-Jiki, activate Kiki-Jiki to target Restoration Angel and makes a copy of Restoration Angel. This results in a battlefield situation where there is an original Restoration Angel and a copy of Restoration Angel for a total of 2x Restoration Angel's and a tapped Kiki-Jiki. At this point, the 'Bant Eldrazi player' can respond by activating Eldrazi Displacer to exile Kiki-Jiki, resulting in Kiki-Jiki being exiled and returning to the battlefield tapped. At this point the combo is disrupted as Kiki-Jiki cannot be further 'blinked' by copies of Restoration Angel.
Is this what you mean whyjesse?
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
Fringe scenario as a 1-of, but won't see play. See: tendo ice bridge.
I've been trying to figure this out and I get different answers from different people - i'd really like a higher level judge to answer this categorically..
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
janus answere3d it right. the same goes if bolt targets any creature, we displace the targeted creature and bolt will fizzle.
FLASHFREEZE
RG Valakut - Primeval Titan (most important), Through the Breach, Pact, Scapeshift and every other spell in their deck.
Burn - all spells
Dredge - Conflagrate which I think is one of the key cards in the deck for us to deal with to keep our dudes on the field. Also paired with Worship this can be a way to beat dredge (assuming they spent there Natures Claims on RIP/Cage and/or milled them)??
UR Ascension/Prowess decks - various cards - seems just ok
Infect - Become Immense, other pump spells - seems just ok at best?
Zoo/Death's Shadow - Temur battle Rage? - doesn't seem all that great?
Abzan CoCo/Elves - hits chords, CoCo - doesnt seem all that great?
Flashfreeze hits blood moon - extra points for that..
DISDAINFUL STROKE
RG Valakut - All the important cards
Dredge - they usually Conflagrate for 4+ cmc
Tron - All creature/PW bombs - sadly not Oblivion Stone
Ad Nauseum - Ad Nauseum
Mirror - TKS, Smasher etc - a big gamble in the face of Cavern of Souls
UWx - Cryptic Command, Nahiri, Wrath of God
Abzan/Elves - CoCo, Chord (some of the time)..
On balance it seems Flashfreeze is superior overall?
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
Looking at tournament lists from the past few months it seems like the primary adjustments from the baseline deck are:
-1 Drowner
-1 Displacer
-1 Reshaper
-1 Explosives
-1 Spellskite
With the following possible additions:
+1 Birds
+1-2 Dismember
+1 Skyspawner
I am looking for some basic advice about what types of metas warrant going towards some of those additional cards, but more importantly what cards can come out.
The adjustments are only a few cards, but sometimes I will see one list with a bird and a dismember added in for a skite and a drowner, and then another list with birds and dismember but no explosives and -1 displacer. I guess TLDR is that I am looking for what tier decks those specific cards are strong or weak against.
i play 23 lands, opening up another slot for a flexi card but i play 5 mana dorks tho.
Right, right. I should have also included the -1 land for an extra slot. Also, I think there are people that do -1 Yavi Coast for +1 Ghost Quarter.
This is my build. So far, so good.
1x Breeding Pool
2x Brushland
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Eldrazi Temple
1x Forest
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Plains
1x Temple Garden
1x Wastes
4x Windswept Heath
3x Yavimaya Coast
Instant (4)
4x Path to Exile
3x Drowner of Hope
1x Elder Deep-Fiend
4x Eldrazi Displacer
1x Eldrazi Skyspawner
4x Matter Reshaper
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Reality Smasher
1x Spellskite
4x Thought-Knot Seer
Sorcery (5)
4x Ancient Stirrings
1x Lead the Stampede
1x Dismember
1x Engineered Explosives
2x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Natural State
1x Negate
1x Spellskite
2x Stony Silence
2x Stubborn Denial
2x Timely Reinforcements
1x World Breaker
1x Worship
Also, i don't like taking many cards since i feel i'm diluting my deck too much.
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33609_The-Complete-Guide-To-Playing-Bant-Eldrazi.html from Todd Stevens
http://www.mtgmintcard.com/articles/writers/huang-hao-shan/a-guide-to-bant-eldrazi From Huang Shan.
http://modernnexus.com/breaking-down-bant-eldrazi/
Although he expressly states he doesn't think that any bans should take place - it appears to be a veiled attempt to start a conversation about banning something. He mentions cards like Ancient Stirrings and/or Eldrazi Temple. I think if either got hit the deck wouldn't exist anymore - actually without Cavern of Souls I think the deck would fall over as well..
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
Modern: Eldrazi Tron, UW Tron, GR Tron, BW Tokens, WU Death and Taxes
Modern: Eldrazi Tron, UW Tron, GR Tron, BW Tokens, WU Death and Taxes
Yeah she got down to the $25 to $35 range about 8-10 months ago. If she dips again I'll grab her.