Gemstone Caverns was great because i'm really luck and got to do things like turn 2 Drowner of Hope and turn 1 Stubborn Denial a Fatal Push on my Noble Hierarch, despite playing against a lot of Eldrazi Tron, I prefer Caverns over Ghost Quarter since that matchup is good, Dismember underperfomed a lot, I don't like it in the deck, match-ups:
Guy who played Toxic Deluge W
Eldrazi Tron W
Death's Shadow W
Eldrazi & Taxes L
Eldrazi Tron W
Eldrazi Tron W
UW Control L
Titan Shift L
Junk W
Merfolk W
Vengevine/Hollow One W
Eldrazi Tron W
Scapeshift L (huge missplay cost me the match*)
Eldrazi Tron L
BG Tron L
* Won game 1, forgot I had caverns on Humans g2, couldn't attack for 2 with Noble Hierarch since I used my blue mana to play another one and needed blue to Failure // Complain his Primeval Titan, he ended with 2 life, after that I kinda tilted
Im currently playing the full set of Skyspawners and 2x Matter Reshaper - so a total of 26 creatures (4 dorks), 10 non-creature spells and 24 lands.
Life gain/burn options boil down to:
- Stubborn denial is prob the best counter - other counters are bit too expensive to be greatly impactful (but still side them in)
- Worship
- Blessed alliance
- Timely Reinforcements
- Thragtusk (usually a bit slow)
- Kitchen Finks
- Feed the Clan
- Life Goes On
- Chalice of the Void - im actually thinking of adding these to combat storm, burn, jeskai control, UW control, shadow
Gemstone Caverns was great because i'm really luck and got to do things like turn 2 Drowner of Hope and turn 1 Stubborn Denial a Fatal Push on my Noble Hierarch, despite playing against a lot of Eldrazi Tron, I prefer Caverns over Ghost Quarter since that matchup is good, Dismember underperfomed a lot, I don't like it in the deck, match-ups:
Guy who played Toxic Deluge W
Eldrazi Tron W
Death's Shadow W
Eldrazi & Taxes L
Eldrazi Tron W
Eldrazi Tron W
UW Control L
Titan Shift L
Junk W
Merfolk W
Vengevine/Hollow One W
Eldrazi Tron W
Scapeshift L (huge missplay cost me the match*)
Eldrazi Tron L
BG Tron L
* Won game 1, forgot I had caverns on Humans g2, couldn't attack for 2 with Noble Hierarch since I used my blue mana to play another one and needed blue to Failure // Complain his Primeval Titan, he ended with 2 life, after that I kinda tilted
A question regarding Failure // Comply - it looks a bit too cute for my liking but Ive never played and would like to be convinced otherwise. Where do you find it has been most impactful? TitanShift it seems decent - perhaps against Ad Nauseum and Supreme Verdict?
Yes - Chalice can lock out our own cards - but so can RIP with Matter Reshaper or E-Witness.
Chalice is still a very useful card and I had 4x in the SB when Infect was a tier 1 deck. Often you side out Path when you play chalice and you can get Hierarchs on to the field through Cavern - playing around Chalice is not as hard as you might think. Further to this you can often play hierarch turn 1 and cast another 1 cmc spell turn 2 and then play chalice. E-Tron players have been playing around Chalice, so do merfolk players in Legacy - its a known issue and when you become proficient with the interaction you can minimize the downside.
Chalice never locks out EE. You can always cast it for an additional colorless. For example, if you want it on 1 and have a chalice on 1, you can cast it as 1G, effectively being 2cmc.
Chalice is also not always on 1. For example, Living End has Chalice on 0 and Storm has Chalice on 2.
A question regarding Failure // Comply - it looks a bit too cute for my liking but Ive never played and would like to be convinced otherwise. Where do you find it has been most impactful? TitanShift it seems decent - perhaps against Ad Nauseum and Supreme Verdict?
I was a bit skeptical of it at first, I used to slot Disdainful Stroke for Primeval Titan, it gets the same things and sometimes locks them out of multiples, it's very good against Verdict, and works great against Past in Flames, gets Ensnaring Bridge from Lantern, the drawback is late in the game when they can just recast whatever spell they cast
I own half this deck. Should I buy the other (expensive) half?
I am a good magic player, been playing magic for a few years, and modern for over a year. I own burn and Ponza. But I love me some Eldrazi.
A few other questions.
Do you think you're as good or better than Eldrazi tron?
How much of a pain in the ass is a blood moon( it doesn't seem too bad for you guys, since you play dorks and scions can sac for colorless, but I hate greedy mana that punishes you)
What is your worst matchup?
What are your meta relevant good matchups?
Are you better than Bant knightfall?
Is there a single card that reks you when you face it?
I own half this deck. Should I buy the other (expensive) half?
I am a good magic player, been playing magic for a few years, and modern for over a year. I own burn and Ponza. But I love me some Eldrazi.
A few other questions.
Do you think you're as good or better than Eldrazi tron?
How much of a pain in the ass is a blood moon( it doesn't seem too bad for you guys, since you play dorks and scions can sac for colorless, but I hate greedy mana that punishes you)
What is your worst matchup?
What are your meta relevant good matchups?
Are you better than Bant knightfall?
Is there a single card that reks you when you face it?
Cheers for your time bois.
I also own Ponza as my secondary deck. I think your decision to buy the expensive half of the deck should be based on if you like the "cast big fatty's and turn sideways" play style. As a Ponza player, It sounds like that might be the exact play style you enjoy.
I'm not sure if you are asking if us Bant Eldrazi players have a favorable match up against Eldrazi tron, or if us Bant Eldrazi players are better positioned in the format over eldrazi tron. So I will speak to both points. Under normal Eldrazi tron lists, as a Bant Eldrazi player, I feel favored.
.....However, as of two weeks ago, I played against two separate people from separate locations who switched out some mainboard artifacts for eldrazi mimics, which has made the match up harder for me. (I ended up losing both matches, and more testing is needed to give an answer on the tron list with mimics).
As for positioning in the format, I feel we have a very decent spot in the meta. It is hard for me to say we are better positioned in the format than tron because Eldrazi tron seems to be consistently putting up results, as well as lots of pros choosing to play the tron version over Bant.
Blood moon is situational depending on what list you play. a resolved blood moon can be very challenging if you run the standard list of 2 forests, 1 plains. I have played lists in the past where i ran two talisman of progress mainboard and 22 lands, and always thought it was hilarious when somebody played a blood moon on me. With two talismans, one of each basic land (Forest, Plains, Island), 4 skyspawners, and 3-4 drowners, blood moon was borderline terrible agaisnt me. (If I fetched correctly)
Worst match up by far is Scapeshift.
Favored match ups are usually Grixus death shadow, Eldrazi tron, and Abzan.
Matches that i feel are very winable but can sometimes get punked out include affinity, burn, and storm (post sideboard)
Most match ups I face, i feel it is at least a 50% chance to win.
In my experience, I would say I have slightly above a 50% win rate agaisnt bant knightfall. (I run 3 mainboard engineered explosives which helps a lot against a lot of matches. (merfolk, knightfall, elves, company counters, (if i don't die turn 3 to combo) affinity, lanturn.
And as for cards that wreck face, Id say Valakut. And Blood Moon can be a challenge sometimes.
Hey all, PPTQ tomorrow, will be running Bant Eldrazi. I'm putting trust in the list I've worked with for months now and will report back with results tomorrow.
Hey everyone. I'm currently a BW Eldrazi player. But am strongly considering converting the deck over to Bant. Is Bant the superior Eldrazi deck? I haven't had the pleasure of going against it yet, mainly just Eldrazi Tron. Should I make the switch you think?
merfolk 0-2
Esper Control 2-1
U/R storm 0-2
Elves 0-2 (talk about a bad match up)
Jund 1-2 ( 2 mulls to 6 and 5 with mana issues)
And a free win.
most of the hands were simply to slow and t2 3cmc isnt cutting it in my meta. players are moving towards storm, merfolk and valakut. all of those match ups are rough and thr elves match up is lol.
I'm going to have to put this deck down until my own meta changes. Love the deck but it's been rough with bant the last few outtings.
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Racerxen,
I was excited to hear about your PTTQ results, as I also attended a PTTQ today with a very similar deck list. Sorry to hear your tournament didn't turn out well for you. Our mainboard is the exact same,except I run a 3rd engineered explosives instead of a blessed alliance. Side board differences are that I run a 3rd stony silence, and a Thragtusk, and no EE in the side (as all 3 of mine are in the main) and only one natural state.
My thoughts on running the 3rd Engineered explosives in the main is because it makes certain match ups that are practically unwinnable possible to win. By running 3 of a certain card, I find that on average, I draw at least one a game. (especially with ancient stirrings).
No doubt elves and merfolk are unfavored match ups, but Engineered Explosives makes a big difference in a lot of match ups we are weak against, those two included. It can be clucky at times, but at worst you can usually one for one, and I would say more often than not, EE can 2 for 1 or better.
My match ups today were quite different, and to be honest a little ridiculous.
round 1 Scapeshift 2-1
round 2 Scapeshift 0-2
round 3 Death Shadow 2-1
round 4 Scapeshift 2-1
round 5 Death shadow 1-2
round 6 Eldrazi Tron 2-0
I missed top 8 bracket once I lost in round 5.
Things I think I will change going forward would be to drop down to 3 drowner of hopes (I don't want one opening hand) and put in a mainboard blessed alliance.
There is a move in my meta (Austin-San Antonio) towards U/R Storm, Merfolk, Eldrazi and Taxes to combat Grixis Shadow. Along with these, Burn and Valakut have gained popularity.
Bloodmoon is a card I see every PPTQ outing and it wrecks me if I don't have an answer. While it's not as good against Eldrazi Tron, Bloodmoon still slows that deck down, and incidentally hoses DS.
So, if my meta is:
Merfolk, Storm, Burn, Valakut, G/W Elves ( ) and DS (I've even seen Bluemoon make a resurgence), then it's not good for me to run Bant Eldrazi (which really sucks because I absolutely love this deck). 4-6 of are bad match ups, and it's getting harder. What could I do to update the list? Maybe run 3 Matter Reshaper and cut a land to find more action? A few friends told me you ran into your worst match ups possible, that's modern, but it's happened 2x already with bant but I'll keep playing it because I enjoy it. Even if it isn't as well positioned as it used to be.
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I also love this deck and have opted to play it despite its bad match ups. Matter reshaper is only really good against the burn match up out of the ones you mentioned. Merfolk very often has unblockable guys, storm doesn't care at all about reshaper. Valakut also doesn't really care about reshaper anymore than it would care about a displacer or skyspawner Elves..... elves is just a bad match up. Usually I have to have an engineered explosives, and they have to have a hand that's weak to it. I don't think reshaper is the answer to the bad match ups you have mentioned.
Titanshift is a tough match up, but understanding there curve makes a big difference. It will impact your thought knot decision (it's not always right to take prime time)
Merfolk is winnable with engineered explosives as well. They get wrecked by an EE on 2. (I will reiterate that I believe 3 EE in the main is correct. It patches a lot of our weaknesses)
We lose game 1 against storm. But we have a ton of sideboard options. Your list has the potential to bring in 10 cards for that match up. And I'm certain you want at least 7. 3 Rest In Peace, 2 grafdigger cage, and 2 stubborn denial. There could be an argument for 2 disdainful strokes and the worship, although I'm not certain these come in because they are situational.
As for blood moon, it can be a challenge. It's not so bad if it's on your radar because you can fetch properly and if you have a mana dork, you can play through it. Unless of course they kill it. I have played a list before where blood moon was terrible against me, and it was always fun to watch my opponent play blood moon with such confidence, only for him to find out that my deck didn't care at all about it.
22 lands,(1 forest,1 plains, 1 island) 2 talisman of progress, 4 skyspawner, 3 drowner, 4 mana dorks.
If you always play at the same shop against the same match ups, it might be the right call to switch decks. But if your going to travel to different pttqs, you are likely to play different decks. Merfolk and elves are not all that popular right now.
I have found myself to be struggling against grixus death shadow as of late. It is supposed to be favored for us. Perhaps I am sideboarding incorrectly.
I run 25 creatures. 4 of each of the standard eldrazi ( 4 skyspawner 0 reshaper) plus 1 bird. 3 Engineered Explosives, 4 path, 4 sittings and 24 land.
Sideboard is
3 Rest In Peace
3 stony silence
2 graftdigger cage
2 stubborn denial
2 disdainful stroke
1 worship
1 natural state
1 thragtusk
I typically cut 4 noble, 1 bird, 2 skyspawner.
And bring in 3 Rest In Peace, 1 thragtusk, 1 worship, and 2 stubborn denial.
This was working really well when I had two blessed alliance in my 75.
Seems that recently, it ends up being a complete top deck war.
How does this community usually sideboard against grixus shadow?
I had suspected stubborn denial wasnt where I wanted to be in the match up.
Totally makes sense as to why we don't want them from the sideboard.
Pokémontrainer17707, when you play against shadow, what's your sideboard plan usually look like. (I'm aware your list is slightly different than mine, as I read your gp report.)
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Thanks for sharing an updated version of your list, and your grixus shadow sideboard plan. Im a bit surprised that the leyline comes in against death shadow.
Seems great if it's in your opening hand, but I can't imagine I would want to draw it at any point in the game.
With the leyline, do you ever aggressively mulligan for the card, or is your approach that if it's in your opening hand, then great, and if not, no big deal. By the time you could hard cast it, burn would probably have already won. Storm would possibly present the same problem. I'm thinking about testing it, but I've never played the card and am a bit unfamiliar with it. I know a lot of decks that run it in the sideboard usually have 3 or 4, and often times players mulligan until they see one in there opening hand.
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Gemstone Caverns was great because i'm really luck and got to do things like turn 2 Drowner of Hope and turn 1 Stubborn Denial a Fatal Push on my Noble Hierarch, despite playing against a lot of Eldrazi Tron, I prefer Caverns over Ghost Quarter since that matchup is good, Dismember underperfomed a lot, I don't like it in the deck, match-ups:
Guy who played Toxic Deluge W
Eldrazi Tron W
Death's Shadow W
Eldrazi & Taxes L
Eldrazi Tron W
Eldrazi Tron W
UW Control L
Titan Shift L
Junk W
Merfolk W
Vengevine/Hollow One W
Eldrazi Tron W
Scapeshift L (huge missplay cost me the match*)
Eldrazi Tron L
BG Tron L
* Won game 1, forgot I had caverns on Humans g2, couldn't attack for 2 with Noble Hierarch since I used my blue mana to play another one and needed blue to Failure // Complain his Primeval Titan, he ended with 2 life, after that I kinda tilted
Life gain/burn options boil down to:
- Stubborn denial is prob the best counter - other counters are bit too expensive to be greatly impactful (but still side them in)
- Worship
- Blessed alliance
- Timely Reinforcements
- Thragtusk (usually a bit slow)
- Kitchen Finks
- Feed the Clan
- Life Goes On
- Chalice of the Void - im actually thinking of adding these to combat storm, burn, jeskai control, UW control, shadow
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
A question regarding Failure // Comply - it looks a bit too cute for my liking but Ive never played and would like to be convinced otherwise. Where do you find it has been most impactful? TitanShift it seems decent - perhaps against Ad Nauseum and Supreme Verdict?
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
I'd totally agree. However, Chalice here would lock out quite a few cards for our own deck too. Hierarch, PTE, Stirrings, even EE for 1
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Chalice is still a very useful card and I had 4x in the SB when Infect was a tier 1 deck. Often you side out Path when you play chalice and you can get Hierarchs on to the field through Cavern - playing around Chalice is not as hard as you might think. Further to this you can often play hierarch turn 1 and cast another 1 cmc spell turn 2 and then play chalice. E-Tron players have been playing around Chalice, so do merfolk players in Legacy - its a known issue and when you become proficient with the interaction you can minimize the downside.
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
Chalice is also not always on 1. For example, Living End has Chalice on 0 and Storm has Chalice on 2.
Bant Eldrazi
UW Control
U Merfolk
Legacy
Merfolk
UR Delver
I was a bit skeptical of it at first, I used to slot Disdainful Stroke for Primeval Titan, it gets the same things and sometimes locks them out of multiples, it's very good against Verdict, and works great against Past in Flames, gets Ensnaring Bridge from Lantern, the drawback is late in the game when they can just recast whatever spell they cast
I own half this deck. Should I buy the other (expensive) half?
I am a good magic player, been playing magic for a few years, and modern for over a year. I own burn and Ponza. But I love me some Eldrazi.
A few other questions.
Do you think you're as good or better than Eldrazi tron?
How much of a pain in the ass is a blood moon( it doesn't seem too bad for you guys, since you play dorks and scions can sac for colorless, but I hate greedy mana that punishes you)
What is your worst matchup?
What are your meta relevant good matchups?
Are you better than Bant knightfall?
Is there a single card that reks you when you face it?
Cheers for your time bois.
I also own Ponza as my secondary deck. I think your decision to buy the expensive half of the deck should be based on if you like the "cast big fatty's and turn sideways" play style. As a Ponza player, It sounds like that might be the exact play style you enjoy.
I'm not sure if you are asking if us Bant Eldrazi players have a favorable match up against Eldrazi tron, or if us Bant Eldrazi players are better positioned in the format over eldrazi tron. So I will speak to both points. Under normal Eldrazi tron lists, as a Bant Eldrazi player, I feel favored.
.....However, as of two weeks ago, I played against two separate people from separate locations who switched out some mainboard artifacts for eldrazi mimics, which has made the match up harder for me. (I ended up losing both matches, and more testing is needed to give an answer on the tron list with mimics).
As for positioning in the format, I feel we have a very decent spot in the meta. It is hard for me to say we are better positioned in the format than tron because Eldrazi tron seems to be consistently putting up results, as well as lots of pros choosing to play the tron version over Bant.
Blood moon is situational depending on what list you play. a resolved blood moon can be very challenging if you run the standard list of 2 forests, 1 plains. I have played lists in the past where i ran two talisman of progress mainboard and 22 lands, and always thought it was hilarious when somebody played a blood moon on me. With two talismans, one of each basic land (Forest, Plains, Island), 4 skyspawners, and 3-4 drowners, blood moon was borderline terrible agaisnt me. (If I fetched correctly)
Worst match up by far is Scapeshift.
Favored match ups are usually Grixus death shadow, Eldrazi tron, and Abzan.
Matches that i feel are very winable but can sometimes get punked out include affinity, burn, and storm (post sideboard)
Most match ups I face, i feel it is at least a 50% chance to win.
In my experience, I would say I have slightly above a 50% win rate agaisnt bant knightfall. (I run 3 mainboard engineered explosives which helps a lot against a lot of matches. (merfolk, knightfall, elves, company counters, (if i don't die turn 3 to combo) affinity, lanturn.
And as for cards that wreck face, Id say Valakut. And Blood Moon can be a challenge sometimes.
Hope this helps with your decision.
I'm torn on my SB slots, I want Negate, but also want access to 1x Worship. I think the counter suite I've used has been fine so far:
x2 Stubborn Denial
2x Disdainful Stroke
Stroke is there for:
Valakut
Tron
Eldrazi Tron
Ad Naus
Negate would be decent as well, but I feel like stroke hits everything I want to stop from resolving. Here's my list:
3x Brushland
3x Cavern of Souls
4x Eldrazi Temple
2x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Plains
1x Temple Garden
4x Windswept Heath
3x Yavimaya Coast
1x Birds of Paradise
4x Drowner of Hope
4x Eldrazi Displacer
4x Eldrazi Skyspawner
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Reality Smasher
4x Thought-Knot Seer
Instant (5)
1x Blessed Alliance
4x Path to Exile
Artifact (2)
2x Engineered Explosives
Sorcery (4)
4x Ancient Stirrings
2x Disdainful Stroke
1x Engineered Explosives
2x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Natural State
3x Rest in Peace
2x Stony Silence
2x Stubborn Denial
1x Worship
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
merfolk 0-2
Esper Control 2-1
U/R storm 0-2
Elves 0-2 (talk about a bad match up)
Jund 1-2 ( 2 mulls to 6 and 5 with mana issues)
And a free win.
most of the hands were simply to slow and t2 3cmc isnt cutting it in my meta. players are moving towards storm, merfolk and valakut. all of those match ups are rough and thr elves match up is lol.
I'm going to have to put this deck down until my own meta changes. Love the deck but it's been rough with bant the last few outtings.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
I was excited to hear about your PTTQ results, as I also attended a PTTQ today with a very similar deck list. Sorry to hear your tournament didn't turn out well for you. Our mainboard is the exact same,except I run a 3rd engineered explosives instead of a blessed alliance. Side board differences are that I run a 3rd stony silence, and a Thragtusk, and no EE in the side (as all 3 of mine are in the main) and only one natural state.
My thoughts on running the 3rd Engineered explosives in the main is because it makes certain match ups that are practically unwinnable possible to win. By running 3 of a certain card, I find that on average, I draw at least one a game. (especially with ancient stirrings).
No doubt elves and merfolk are unfavored match ups, but Engineered Explosives makes a big difference in a lot of match ups we are weak against, those two included. It can be clucky at times, but at worst you can usually one for one, and I would say more often than not, EE can 2 for 1 or better.
My match ups today were quite different, and to be honest a little ridiculous.
round 1 Scapeshift 2-1
round 2 Scapeshift 0-2
round 3 Death Shadow 2-1
round 4 Scapeshift 2-1
round 5 Death shadow 1-2
round 6 Eldrazi Tron 2-0
I missed top 8 bracket once I lost in round 5.
Things I think I will change going forward would be to drop down to 3 drowner of hopes (I don't want one opening hand) and put in a mainboard blessed alliance.
Bloodmoon is a card I see every PPTQ outing and it wrecks me if I don't have an answer. While it's not as good against Eldrazi Tron, Bloodmoon still slows that deck down, and incidentally hoses DS.
So, if my meta is:
Merfolk, Storm, Burn, Valakut, G/W Elves ( ) and DS (I've even seen Bluemoon make a resurgence), then it's not good for me to run Bant Eldrazi (which really sucks because I absolutely love this deck). 4-6 of are bad match ups, and it's getting harder. What could I do to update the list? Maybe run 3 Matter Reshaper and cut a land to find more action? A few friends told me you ran into your worst match ups possible, that's modern, but it's happened 2x already with bant but I'll keep playing it because I enjoy it. Even if it isn't as well positioned as it used to be.
Modern: Decks I'm playing right now:
G Mono Green Tron (34-10-3 paper record, only SCG/Regionals/PPTQ record)
C Eldrazi Tron (9-5)
UG Infect
RW Burn
Titanshift is a tough match up, but understanding there curve makes a big difference. It will impact your thought knot decision (it's not always right to take prime time)
Merfolk is winnable with engineered explosives as well. They get wrecked by an EE on 2. (I will reiterate that I believe 3 EE in the main is correct. It patches a lot of our weaknesses)
We lose game 1 against storm. But we have a ton of sideboard options. Your list has the potential to bring in 10 cards for that match up. And I'm certain you want at least 7. 3 Rest In Peace, 2 grafdigger cage, and 2 stubborn denial. There could be an argument for 2 disdainful strokes and the worship, although I'm not certain these come in because they are situational.
As for blood moon, it can be a challenge. It's not so bad if it's on your radar because you can fetch properly and if you have a mana dork, you can play through it. Unless of course they kill it. I have played a list before where blood moon was terrible against me, and it was always fun to watch my opponent play blood moon with such confidence, only for him to find out that my deck didn't care at all about it.
22 lands,(1 forest,1 plains, 1 island) 2 talisman of progress, 4 skyspawner, 3 drowner, 4 mana dorks.
If you always play at the same shop against the same match ups, it might be the right call to switch decks. But if your going to travel to different pttqs, you are likely to play different decks. Merfolk and elves are not all that popular right now.
I run 25 creatures. 4 of each of the standard eldrazi ( 4 skyspawner 0 reshaper) plus 1 bird. 3 Engineered Explosives, 4 path, 4 sittings and 24 land.
Sideboard is
3 Rest In Peace
3 stony silence
2 graftdigger cage
2 stubborn denial
2 disdainful stroke
1 worship
1 natural state
1 thragtusk
I typically cut 4 noble, 1 bird, 2 skyspawner.
And bring in 3 Rest In Peace, 1 thragtusk, 1 worship, and 2 stubborn denial.
This was working really well when I had two blessed alliance in my 75.
Seems that recently, it ends up being a complete top deck war.
How does this community usually sideboard against grixus shadow?
Totally makes sense as to why we don't want them from the sideboard.
Pokémontrainer17707, when you play against shadow, what's your sideboard plan usually look like. (I'm aware your list is slightly different than mine, as I read your gp report.)
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(also curious to hear how your list has changed since your tournament. Did surgical and rec sage make it into your list)?
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Seems great if it's in your opening hand, but I can't imagine I would want to draw it at any point in the game.
With the leyline, do you ever aggressively mulligan for the card, or is your approach that if it's in your opening hand, then great, and if not, no big deal. By the time you could hard cast it, burn would probably have already won. Storm would possibly present the same problem. I'm thinking about testing it, but I've never played the card and am a bit unfamiliar with it. I know a lot of decks that run it in the sideboard usually have 3 or 4, and often times players mulligan until they see one in there opening hand.
i've recently started to prepare for GP Madrid in December and my team mates will play Burn and Junk.
Therefore i'm quite limited in playing Bant.
I thought packing Vapor Snag replacing Path to Exile could be a good idea and i soon crossed an article about UG Eldrazi featuring Elder Deep-Fiend.
Is this one competitive? Or should i just play Bant and substitute Snag for Path?
Green @ it's best