Seeing that Human's was 20% of the meta and seeing your win rate vs humans I wouldn't get too upset.
Focus on the good match-ups and have plans for the bad ones.
Every deck has match-ups they can't win. That's what keeps the format so diverse right now.
Hi Rakuto, just a few questions. Why aren't you playing a Sorin in the main? That card is insane. And how many times do you activate Mutavault as an attacker?
Also, I like Kitesail over Sculler, it's easier to cast with a similar effect and has additional evasion in the form of flying.
Hey guys been playing this deck for a long time and have had very good luck with it
Lands 23
4 eldrazi temple
4 cave of koilos
4 concealed courtyard
1 waste
1 snow covered swamp
2 snow covered plains
2 shambling vent
2 mutavault
1 ghost quarter
1 vault of the archangel
1 BW shock land [forgot the name right now ]
Creatures 18
4 sculler
4 tks
4 wasteland strangler
4 reality smasher
2 eldrazi displacer
Spells 19
4 path
2 fatal push
1 collective brutality
3 inquisition of kozilek
1 thoughtseize
4 relic of progenitus
4 lingering souls
I also play pyro prison and anytime I say someone that's on the 3 color eldrazi decks without vial I know blood moon is gonna be good most list don't run a waste and most opponents I've played don't hold up there own ghost quarter or path to search it up with the moon on the stack. I made the same mistake when I first built this deck but now I've changed some things up to make blood moon not a problem. Also 2 disenchant in the side has been key against many hate cards the instant speed is necessary so you can blow up there thing eot and untap and have your turn to turn the corner this I why fragmentize is inferior in my opinion.also for go wide strategy being able to make a few souls tokens then activate vault mid combat really shores up that matchup to turns of that and the lifegain to boot buys tons of time until we can draw our sideboard cards like flaying tendrils to clean up the stragglers. Anyways I'm glad I found this thread hope I helped out a little with the conversation. Also i like the idea of swapping schuller for freebooter it is way easier on the mana and doesn't pump goyf 2+ when it dies
I was thinking adding the new planeswalker Kaya, Orzhov Usurper?
I she good enough to play in the deck? So far she won me some games but i need to play more games to be sure.
1 Lingering souls and dismember i've cut to play Kaya at the moment.
@JurK
You need to play 24 lands that is non negotiable. Besides that your land distrubtion is fine, however I much prefer Field of ruin and wastes in the deck, gives you a few % vs bloodmoon and if field of ruin is your only colourless source it doesnt take you off colourless. Also I would play fetches or blood moon is just auto lose.
Reality Smasher is the best card and you should never go below 4.
Relics are bad, even vs dredge. I would rather play more RiP in sideboard. I've had way more success since removing Relics from my maindeck.
There is no reason you should play dismember, cast down is just better.
You need some maindeck answers to Bridge and Moon like ratchet bomb and anguished unmaking.
Fulminator mage is pointless, since all the decks that it's good vs like dredge and scapeshift are 10% matchups anyway.
Greeting everyone,
I'm currently toying a bit with this deck.
There is some work to do with the mana base still (and obviously the sideboard, since i just throw random stuff in to answer my local meta), but i'm happy with the selection of card in main deck.
I just need a place to put a Sorin, solemn visitor.
There is no 4 of smasher cause i'm playing the more midranged deck and i prefer lots of token instead of dumb smasher (and with Sorin +1, Blight Herder is 11 points of lifelink).
kaya, orzhov usurper was great as a 2 of. The lifegain is cool, the minus ability happen more than you may think. And in this deck, the ult kill very often.
Yes it did.
I know some of my choice might be suboptimal. I'm not here to bring the best build cause i don't know it (probably nobody does since it depend of your local meta).
I don't want to feel like i play eldrazi tron or eldrazi and taxes. And that's why i want to give a chance to blight herder, and for the moment he doesn't feel as bad as you say (but it's probably still worst than smasher in many cases tho).
Relic is good in my local meta. i win a lot of game i had no buisness winning cause of relics. i don't go to GP and big event, so local meta is what's important (and kaya is better with relics btw).
Also, just because you work on something for 3 years doesn't mean you are right.
Sorry to be just another noob to your (apparently) pet deck, just wanted to share my thoughs and decklist.
@JurK
You need to play 24 lands that is non negotiable. Besides that your land distrubtion is fine, however I much prefer Field of ruin and wastes in the deck, gives you a few % vs bloodmoon and if field of ruin is your only colourless source it doesnt take you off colourless. Also I would play fetches or blood moon is just auto lose.
Reality Smasher is the best card and you should never go below 4.
Relics are bad, even vs dredge. I would rather play more RiP in sideboard. I've had way more success since removing Relics from my maindeck.
There is no reason you should play dismember, cast down is just better.
You need some maindeck answers to Bridge and Moon like ratchet bomb and anguished unmaking.
Fulminator mage is pointless, since all the decks that it's good vs like dredge and scapeshift are 10% matchups anyway.
Interesting list! I was never a fan of the relic lists and created this thread when the relevant eldrazi were printed as a more midrange varient to the processor version at the time, but the deck never really took off:
I did pretty well at FNM with it, but didn't really play in any larger tourneys. However, I haven't played <>BW eldrazi in a while and I am glad that you are doing well with your list. Why don't you run any fatal push?
I felt that the deck could be either explosive or clunky at times and it really needed a way to filter draws. I would almost try a version without lingering souls (as crazy as that may sound!) since it feels like you are compeating against casting an eldrazi or lingering souls during turn 3. I would change up the deck to make it a bit more consistent and find some card draw.
As an aside, how does Kaya, Orzhov Usurper play out in the processor version of this deck?
I'm taking this deck out to GP Toronto this weekend. Looking for some last min feedback.
My big changes is I pulled the relics after seeing @Rakuto's post. I agree the deck is better without them. I've also been playing with Smuggler's Copter as a way to get more value out of my Lingering Souls and Tidehollow Sculler (when it has a Must keep card under it). Also the card filtering is very strong if I get to the mid game, being able to pitch a land for a better card is awesome.
I like the 1 of fragmantize just to have a turn 1 hardened scales/leyline(ad naus) removal instead of 2 disenchants a 1/1 split. But it has upside and downside, the sorcery speed is a big downside. Besides that I've really enjoyed Avacyn, Sorin was a lot of a win more card for me and I realy didn't enjoy it, but I have 2 cbs main to fight burn.
I've had some issues with Bitterblossom hurting me for too much but it's godlike vs UW, maybe going a bit more greedy and replacing one with an Elspeth is ok.
But yeah the list is good as it is. Don't be scared to cut stranglers post board if they don't hit main threats like vs any kind of Death's Shadow variation.
Good luck in Toronto and write us a report man :).
@Rakuto
Thanks for the feedback, I considered fragmantize but I found the extra artifact hate against Tron was more important, baing able to kill off O-stone or Wormcoil is always nice. I can agree about Sorin being a bit Win More rather then a direct response for burn, I am considering another card against Burn as it is currently hard match up for me.
You are right Bitterblossom has been a life saver against a bunch of control match-ups. It also plays very well with smugglers Copter.
Shambling Vent is not ideal for this type of mana-hungry deck. Nothing feels worse than getting beat down only to draw have your third land come into play tapped. A few marsh flats should be played in order to fetch up a basic (for blood moon) or a dual BW land. Blood moon is a huge problem for this deck. The mana base is streched really thin due to the tidehollow sculler.
1-2 vs UW Control. I had a sick sequence where I had a tidehollow in play exiling a random card and I play strangler and announce Spell Queller with TKS exiled as the target. He kills my tidehollow in response but I still process some random card in his exile getting TKS back. He scoops and says yeah I boarded awfully. He still kicks my ass game 3. UW control, Titanshift and Tron just suck as matchups. You really can't brick vs UW much or you just get ran over. UWr is an easy matchup but UW damn they are just straight gas. He also had Ancestral turn 1 suspend every game despite mulling to 6 twice and I mulled to 6 every game.
2-1 vs Burn. I won the game 1 at 11. Game 2 he had to topdeck a spell to win. And game 3 he conceded at 19. Collective Brutality is insane.
Random tourney x-2 top 8 losing to quarters in Humans and 3-1 today on modern monday. Still chugging strong. Blew out the same guy who beat me in quarters 2-0 like the matchup should usually go.
I really need to improve vs UW and ensnaring bridge matchups but really struggling to find the solution. My mana base has been ok vs Blood Moon so I think i'll live vs that.
MB:
-1 Ratchet Bomb
+1 Kaya
Sideboard:
-1 Kambal(has been really meh for me)
+1 Kaya(probably just straight up better than Kambal)
-1 Stony
+1 Fragmentize(yeah I make my deck worse vs Tron, eggs and affinity but I gain another card to kill ensnaring bridge)
I wanted to take a look at Processors, I generally like shifting though lesser known decks to get a better feel for ways that decks can be constructed. Any of the more dedicated players of the deck have a write up about their current card choices and how they feel about the deck?
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Yes, I am that guy.
Yes, I have had my nose broken before.
Really liking my sideboard beside Surgical and maybe Languish(dunno if I should go back to Settle or Damnation). Still struggling with when to put RIP in. Sometimes it crushes GDS and BG decks and UW and sometimes it just wreck my souls. I try to play a lot around it but I'm still so split if it's actually good in those matchups. Deck feeling great i'm chugging along smashing on my path. Seems like the thread is completely dead tho.
Focus on the good match-ups and have plans for the bad ones.
Every deck has match-ups they can't win. That's what keeps the format so diverse right now.
Also, I like Kitesail over Sculler, it's easier to cast with a similar effect and has additional evasion in the form of flying.
Cheers,
DC
Lands 23
4 eldrazi temple
4 cave of koilos
4 concealed courtyard
1 waste
1 snow covered swamp
2 snow covered plains
2 shambling vent
2 mutavault
1 ghost quarter
1 vault of the archangel
1 BW shock land [forgot the name right now ]
Creatures 18
4 sculler
4 tks
4 wasteland strangler
4 reality smasher
2 eldrazi displacer
Spells 19
4 path
2 fatal push
1 collective brutality
3 inquisition of kozilek
1 thoughtseize
4 relic of progenitus
4 lingering souls
I also play pyro prison and anytime I say someone that's on the 3 color eldrazi decks without vial I know blood moon is gonna be good most list don't run a waste and most opponents I've played don't hold up there own ghost quarter or path to search it up with the moon on the stack. I made the same mistake when I first built this deck but now I've changed some things up to make blood moon not a problem. Also 2 disenchant in the side has been key against many hate cards the instant speed is necessary so you can blow up there thing eot and untap and have your turn to turn the corner this I why fragmentize is inferior in my opinion.also for go wide strategy being able to make a few souls tokens then activate vault mid combat really shores up that matchup to turns of that and the lifegain to boot buys tons of time until we can draw our sideboard cards like flaying tendrils to clean up the stragglers. Anyways I'm glad I found this thread hope I helped out a little with the conversation. Also i like the idea of swapping schuller for freebooter it is way easier on the mana and doesn't pump goyf 2+ when it dies
4 Wasteland Strangler
2 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
Noncreature Spells
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
1 Collective Brutality
4 Lingering Souls
4 Path to Exile
2 Fatal Push
2 Dismember
1 Anguished Unmaking
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Concealed Courtyard
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Shambling Vent
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Wastes
1 Pithing Needle
1 Rachet Bomb
1 Leonin Relic-Warder
1 Languish
1 Wrath of God
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Blessed Alliance
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Rest in Peace
Is it possible to add a third color for B/W Eldrazi?
Long time reader and playing different kind of eldrazi decks last years.
I'm currently testing this list, and would like to share it with you all and discuss it with what options to change or upgrade the list.
Bw Eldrazi Processor
Lands: 23
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Concealed Courtyard
4 Caves of Koilos
1 Shambling Vent
1 Fetid Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Mutavualt
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Swamp
2 Plains
Creatures: 17
3 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Wasteland Strangler
2 Eldrazi displacer
4 Thought-knot Seer
3 Reality Smasher
1 Shriekmaw
Artifacts: 4
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Ratchet Bomb
Spells: 16
2 Fatal Push
4 Path to Exile
1 Dismember
4 Lingering Souls
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
1 Collective Brutallity
Sideboard: 15
1 Damnation
1 Settle the Wreckage
2 Stony Silence
1 Rest in Peace
1 Kambal of Allocation
1 Disenchant
1 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Fulminator Mage
1 Collective Brutallity
1 Grafdigger’s Cage
1 Ratchet Bomb
I was thinking adding the new planeswalker Kaya, Orzhov Usurper?
I she good enough to play in the deck? So far she won me some games but i need to play more games to be sure.
1 Lingering souls and dismember i've cut to play Kaya at the moment.
Like to hear your thoughts?
Thanks in advance
grtz
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bw-eldrazi-no-relics/
@JurK
You need to play 24 lands that is non negotiable. Besides that your land distrubtion is fine, however I much prefer Field of ruin and wastes in the deck, gives you a few % vs bloodmoon and if field of ruin is your only colourless source it doesnt take you off colourless. Also I would play fetches or blood moon is just auto lose.
Reality Smasher is the best card and you should never go below 4.
Relics are bad, even vs dredge. I would rather play more RiP in sideboard. I've had way more success since removing Relics from my maindeck.
There is no reason you should play dismember, cast down is just better.
You need some maindeck answers to Bridge and Moon like ratchet bomb and anguished unmaking.
Fulminator mage is pointless, since all the decks that it's good vs like dredge and scapeshift are 10% matchups anyway.
I'm currently toying a bit with this deck.
There is some work to do with the mana base still (and obviously the sideboard, since i just throw random stuff in to answer my local meta), but i'm happy with the selection of card in main deck.
I just need a place to put a Sorin, solemn visitor.
There is no 4 of smasher cause i'm playing the more midranged deck and i prefer lots of token instead of dumb smasher (and with Sorin +1, Blight Herder is 11 points of lifelink).
kaya, orzhov usurper was great as a 2 of. The lifegain is cool, the minus ability happen more than you may think. And in this deck, the ult kill very often.
Collective Brutality was bad and didn't felt good to play there, so i cut it.
I still really like Relic of Progenitus. As a dredge player, i can tell that a relic game 1 is still often a lost.
Anyway, here's the decklist, let me know what you think.
1 Sea Gate Wreckage
2 Concealed Courtyard
1 Field of Ruin
4 Caves of Koilos
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Vault of the Archangel
1 Scavenger Grounds
4 Eldrazi Temple
2 Godless Shrine
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Plains
1 Swamp
3 Shambling Vent
4 Wasteland Strangler
2 Reality Smasher
3 Blight Herder
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Tidehollow Sculler
Spells
4 Relic of Progenitus
3 Lingering Souls
4 Path to Exile
2 Fatal Push
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Thoughtseize
2 Kaya, Orzhov Usurper
1 Flaying Tendrils
1 Eternal Scourge
1 Languish
1 Mirran Crusader
2 Spatial Contortion
1 Collective Brutality
1 Anguished Unmaking
1 Damping Sphere
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 Sorcerous Spyglass
3 Warping Wail
Yes it did.
I know some of my choice might be suboptimal. I'm not here to bring the best build cause i don't know it (probably nobody does since it depend of your local meta).
I don't want to feel like i play eldrazi tron or eldrazi and taxes. And that's why i want to give a chance to blight herder, and for the moment he doesn't feel as bad as you say (but it's probably still worst than smasher in many cases tho).
Relic is good in my local meta. i win a lot of game i had no buisness winning cause of relics. i don't go to GP and big event, so local meta is what's important (and kaya is better with relics btw).
Also, just because you work on something for 3 years doesn't mean you are right.
Sorry to be just another noob to your (apparently) pet deck, just wanted to share my thoughs and decklist.
Interesting list! I was never a fan of the relic lists and created this thread when the relevant eldrazi were printed as a more midrange varient to the processor version at the time, but the deck never really took off:
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/665909-bw-eldrazi-midrange
I did pretty well at FNM with it, but didn't really play in any larger tourneys. However, I haven't played <>BW eldrazi in a while and I am glad that you are doing well with your list. Why don't you run any fatal push?
I felt that the deck could be either explosive or clunky at times and it really needed a way to filter draws. I would almost try a version without lingering souls (as crazy as that may sound!) since it feels like you are compeating against casting an eldrazi or lingering souls during turn 3. I would change up the deck to make it a bit more consistent and find some card draw.
As an aside, how does Kaya, Orzhov Usurper play out in the processor version of this deck?
CBW midrange deck
CBW eldrazi processor deck
CBW bw eldrazi shadow midrange
My big changes is I pulled the relics after seeing @Rakuto's post. I agree the deck is better without them. I've also been playing with Smuggler's Copter as a way to get more value out of my Lingering Souls and Tidehollow Sculler (when it has a Must keep card under it). Also the card filtering is very strong if I get to the mid game, being able to pitch a land for a better card is awesome.
4x Caves of Koilos
4x Concealed Courtyard
4x Eldrazi Temple
1x Fetid Heath
1x Field of Ruin
2x Godless Shrine
2x Plains
2x Shambling Vent
2x Swamp
1x Vault of the Archangel
1x Wastes
Artifact (3)
3x Smuggler's Copter
2x Eldrazi Displacer
4x Reality Smasher
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Tidehollow Sculler
3x Wasteland Strangler
Instant (7)
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Cast Down
1x Fatal Push
4x Path to Exile
Sorcery (9)
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
1x Thoughtseize
2x Bitterblossom
2x Disenchant
1x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1x Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2x Rest in Peace
1x Settle the Wreckage
1x Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2x Stony Silence
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Wrath of God
I've had some issues with Bitterblossom hurting me for too much but it's godlike vs UW, maybe going a bit more greedy and replacing one with an Elspeth is ok.
But yeah the list is good as it is. Don't be scared to cut stranglers post board if they don't hit main threats like vs any kind of Death's Shadow variation.
Good luck in Toronto and write us a report man :).
Thanks for the feedback, I considered fragmantize but I found the extra artifact hate against Tron was more important, baing able to kill off O-stone or Wormcoil is always nice. I can agree about Sorin being a bit Win More rather then a direct response for burn, I am considering another card against Burn as it is currently hard match up for me.
You are right Bitterblossom has been a life saver against a bunch of control match-ups. It also plays very well with smugglers Copter.
I will do a report once I get back. Stay tuned.
Shambling Vent is not ideal for this type of mana-hungry deck. Nothing feels worse than getting beat down only to draw have your third land come into play tapped. A few marsh flats should be played in order to fetch up a basic (for blood moon) or a dual BW land. Blood moon is a huge problem for this deck. The mana base is streched really thin due to the tidehollow sculler.
Smuggler's copter is not that great unless you have plenty of ways to activate it. You should be running bitterblossom mainboard if you want to run copter. I do like copter with lingering souls, a few bitterblossoms, and tidehollow sculler
Why is everybody running cast down instead of fatal push? We have plenty of spaces for path to exile to take care of the larget creatures.
CBW midrange deck
CBW eldrazi processor deck
CBW bw eldrazi shadow midrange
2-0 vs aristocrats
2-1 vs https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-red-white-eldrazi-aggro#paper. He is a guy at our LGS. I really blew him out with Avacyn.
1-2 vs UW Control. I had a sick sequence where I had a tidehollow in play exiling a random card and I play strangler and announce Spell Queller with TKS exiled as the target. He kills my tidehollow in response but I still process some random card in his exile getting TKS back. He scoops and says yeah I boarded awfully. He still kicks my ass game 3. UW control, Titanshift and Tron just suck as matchups. You really can't brick vs UW much or you just get ran over. UWr is an easy matchup but UW damn they are just straight gas. He also had Ancestral turn 1 suspend every game despite mulling to 6 twice and I mulled to 6 every game.
2-1 vs Burn. I won the game 1 at 11. Game 2 he had to topdeck a spell to win. And game 3 he conceded at 19. Collective Brutality is insane.
I really need to improve vs UW and ensnaring bridge matchups but really struggling to find the solution. My mana base has been ok vs Blood Moon so I think i'll live vs that.
MB:
-1 Ratchet Bomb
+1 Kaya
Sideboard:
-1 Kambal(has been really meh for me)
+1 Kaya(probably just straight up better than Kambal)
-1 Stony
+1 Fragmentize(yeah I make my deck worse vs Tron, eggs and affinity but I gain another card to kill ensnaring bridge)
Yes, I am that guy.
Yes, I have had my nose broken before.
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Spell Queller
2 Spellskite
2 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Ulamog's Nullifier
1 Wall of Omens
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Path to Exile
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Rest in Peace
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Flooded Strand
2 Godless Shrine
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Island
1 Moorland Haunt
1 Plains
2 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Watery Grave
1 Celestial Purge
2 Lingering Souls
4 Thoughtseize
1 Rest in Peace
1 Fatal Push
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Timely Reinforcements
2-1 GDS
2-0 UW control
2-1 vs BG rock
draw
draw
And in top 8 I won vs
2-1 Burn
2-0 Thalia Stompy
and in the finals I split with BG rock which i'm generally favoured vs, but he was in a rush so I decided to be the good guy.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bw-eldrazi-no-relics/
Really liking my sideboard beside Surgical and maybe Languish(dunno if I should go back to Settle or Damnation). Still struggling with when to put RIP in. Sometimes it crushes GDS and BG decks and UW and sometimes it just wreck my souls. I try to play a lot around it but I'm still so split if it's actually good in those matchups. Deck feeling great i'm chugging along smashing on my path. Seems like the thread is completely dead tho.