Well... after the PT results and having only played one FNM with the deck, I've sold the pieces that are used only in this deck. I am sad because I liked the deck, but at least I got some money for my troubles (I bought the Eyes for 5 euros each and sold them for 28 the piece). I sold them because I think something will be banned and I don't play so competitive to wait until then and lose a lot of money...
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Nothing will likely happen til April but the PT took a lot of the fun out of this deck (because of all the doomsaying that surrounds it). I will be looking to poach on folks who want to buy in for the next few months (while I continue to play it). If I can get a good return on them, I might move to something more stable like Goyfs and Lilis. Til I get those offers though, I am going to keep playing and improving the list.
Well... after the PT results and having only played one FNM with the deck, I've sold the pieces that are used only in this deck. I am sad because I liked the deck, but at least I got some money for my troubles (I bought the Eyes for 5 euros each and sold them for 28 the piece). I sold them because I think something will be banned and I don't play so competitive to wait until then and lose a lot of money...
See you on other threads on this forum
Nothing will likely happen til April but the PT took a lot of the fun out of this deck (because of all the doomsaying that surrounds it). I will be looking to poach on folks who want to buy in for the next few months (while I continue to play it). If I can get a good return on them, I might move to something more stable like Goyfs and Lilis. Til I get those offers though, I am going to keep playing and improving the list.
Honestly, the only part of the deck that looks to be a problem is the eye of ugin at the moment. Everything else is likely safe unless Wizards takes a different approach to solving format issues than we expect. In any case, there's no use worrying over something like that outside of the ban thread, so lets keep on track and focus on how to build a good deck. If someone builds without eye of ugin we probably already know the reason, so no need to press on the issue.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Well... after the PT results and having only played one FNM with the deck, I've sold the pieces that are used only in this deck. I am sad because I liked the deck, but at least I got some money for my troubles (I bought the Eyes for 5 euros each and sold them for 28 the piece). I sold them because I think something will be banned and I don't play so competitive to wait until then and lose a lot of money...
See you on other threads on this forum
Nothing will likely happen til April but the PT took a lot of the fun out of this deck (because of all the doomsaying that surrounds it). I will be looking to poach on folks who want to buy in for the next few months (while I continue to play it). If I can get a good return on them, I might move to something more stable like Goyfs and Lilis. Til I get those offers though, I am going to keep playing and improving the list.
Honestly, the only part of the deck that looks to be a problem is the eye of ugin at the moment. Everything else is likely safe unless Wizards takes a different approach to solving format issues than we expect. In any case, there's no use worrying over something like that outside of the ban thread, so lets keep on track and focus on how to build a good deck. If someone builds without eye of ugin we probably already know the reason, so no need to press on the issue.
Yeah, there is just a general air of pessimism around the build now that is hard to fight through. Before the PT we were all excited and eager to see how it progressed. Sounds like CFB started off with the BW build and didn't like it's clunkiness as much (I expect in the early game where they expected most folks to be playing). The aggro variants were definitely more in line with the PT meta. Still, I am with you that Eye of Ugin should be the only thing that is dealt with and possibly traded off early (they are also one of the more expensive pieces).
I had only managed to acquire 1 Eye of Ugin prior to the PT, and I'm actually mailing it out in a trade tonight while its price is still inflated. I'm still building this deck, just a version without any Eyes. I realize that this sort of gimps my abiilty to compete for the next 2 or 3 months but if nothing else it'll allow me to playtest the deck now instead of having to wait for the other shoe to drop.
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My 360 Peasant+ Cube!. Modern borders where possible, usually with the newest (or "best") art, and always the most readable card text. I also run all 10 painlands. My playgroup is super casual, as we have a fair number of newer or less experienced players. Typically we draft with 4 to 6 people, using 5 packs of 9.
I'm not too worried, the aggro build ports easily to legacy so I'm holding unto my eyes even if the price drops. This lets me stay concentrated on building the best version while we still have everything.
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Modern: C Serum Eldrazi Legacy: CEldrazi C Mud W Soldier Stompy R Bread (big red stompy) WU Spirit Blade WUG Meat Hooks WUBGR Blue Dredge
I had only managed to acquire 1 Eye of Ugin prior to the PT, and I'm actually mailing it out in a trade tonight while its price is still inflated. I'm still building this deck, just a version without any Eyes. I realize that this sort of gimps my abiilty to compete for the next 2 or 3 months but if nothing else it'll allow me to playtest the deck now instead of having to wait for the other shoe to drop.
I think I might do the same (probably run 2 Sea Gate Wreckage in their place and run 1 more Godless Shrine in place of the Urborg).
I'm not too worried, the aggro build ports easily to legacy so I'm holding unto my eyes even if the price drops. This lets me stay concentrated on building the best version while we still have everything.
If you want to play legacy then it does work. I wonder if it'll stick in Legacy though and if it does, how much value Eye of Ugin will keep. If it drops down to $10-15 dollars, might as well cash in now and then pick it back up after it drops. Enjoy the excess value. Personally I don't want to play legacy but this would be an easy way to port into it (other than needing more of the lands from legacy).
I had only managed to acquire 1 Eye of Ugin prior to the PT, and I'm actually mailing it out in a trade tonight while its price is still inflated. I'm still building this deck, just a version without any Eyes. I realize that this sort of gimps my abiilty to compete for the next 2 or 3 months but if nothing else it'll allow me to playtest the deck now instead of having to wait for the other shoe to drop.
I think I might do the same (probably run 2 Sea Gate Wreckage in their place and run 1 more Godless Shrine in place of the Urborg).
I'm not too worried, the aggro build ports easily to legacy so I'm holding unto my eyes even if the price drops. This lets me stay concentrated on building the best version while we still have everything.
If you want to play legacy then it does work. I wonder if it'll stick in Legacy though and if it does, how much value Eye of Ugin will keep. If it drops down to $10-15 dollars, might as well cash in now and then pick it back up after it drops. Enjoy the excess value. Personally I don't want to play legacy but this would be an easy way to port into it (other than needing more of the lands from legacy).
true! although the land base is pretty sweet (don't need duals) cuz u just need some locus lands and ancient tombs n ur good.
anyways, any thoughts on how to deal with painter?
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Modern: C Serum Eldrazi Legacy: CEldrazi C Mud W Soldier Stompy R Bread (big red stompy) WU Spirit Blade WUG Meat Hooks WUBGR Blue Dredge
I had only managed to acquire 1 Eye of Ugin prior to the PT, and I'm actually mailing it out in a trade tonight while its price is still inflated. I'm still building this deck, just a version without any Eyes. I realize that this sort of gimps my abiilty to compete for the next 2 or 3 months but if nothing else it'll allow me to playtest the deck now instead of having to wait for the other shoe to drop.
I think I might do the same (probably run 2 Sea Gate Wreckage in their place and run 1 more Godless Shrine in place of the Urborg).
I'm not too worried, the aggro build ports easily to legacy so I'm holding unto my eyes even if the price drops. This lets me stay concentrated on building the best version while we still have everything.
If you want to play legacy then it does work. I wonder if it'll stick in Legacy though and if it does, how much value Eye of Ugin will keep. If it drops down to $10-15 dollars, might as well cash in now and then pick it back up after it drops. Enjoy the excess value. Personally I don't want to play legacy but this would be an easy way to port into it (other than needing more of the lands from legacy).
true! although the land base is pretty sweet (don't need duals) cuz u just need some locus lands and ancient tombs n ur good.
anyways, any thoughts on how to deal with painter?
Warping Wail? Dismember? Path? Disenchant? Wasteland Strangler? he is pretty easy for us to deal with and effects us FAR less than the colorless and UR variants (who rely on the "colorless" typing far too much.
BW handles annoying creatures much better than Colorless Or UR. We also deal with ghostly prison, worship and bridges better. It might be worth it to include more removal in the 75 if we run into the aggro variants.
As we are ok with going later in the game, land hate is less good against us. The processor version showed it can hang with the colorless version, and I could argue that we are better positioned versus the impending hate. So who knows. Maybe the BW version will just next level people.
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Everybody talking about offloading their Eye of Ugin... It isn't so broken that it's bannable IMO, it's just a shiny new toy that has rocked the meta and will require time to adjust. Let's not be hasty here.
I think Chalice or SSG is much more worthy of a ban.
Everybody talking about offloading their Eye of Ugin... It isn't so broken that it's bannable IMO, it's just a shiny new toy that has rocked the meta and will require time to adjust. Let's not be hasty here.
I think Chalice or SSG is much more worthy of a ban.
This isn't the thread for banlist discussion. That said, if in the future Eye sticks around, then I will be the only person who will have to feel foolish for unloading my Eyes early. It's my decision and I stand by it; only time will tell if I was right or not.
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My 360 Peasant+ Cube!. Modern borders where possible, usually with the newest (or "best") art, and always the most readable card text. I also run all 10 painlands. My playgroup is super casual, as we have a fair number of newer or less experienced players. Typically we draft with 4 to 6 people, using 5 packs of 9.
True enough Panda. That said, let's keep brewing about SB options. I've got some Displacers on the way, quite excited about them. I feel like we now have incentive to play an increased attrition game, 1-for-1s like Strangler, sweepers, Bearer of Silence, maybe Liliana needs to be highlighted. Or perhaps we change gears and, rather than winning through combat damage, we play a more flexible game by setting up functional walls with Sower and stab away with the new pinger guy, or something of that nature. More flexibility means we won't have to abandon this deck.
BW handles annoying creatures much better than Colorless Or UR. We also deal with ghostly prison, worship and bridges better. It might be worth it to include more removal in the 75 if we run into the aggro variants.
As we are ok with going later in the game, land hate is less good against us. The processor version showed it can hang with the colorless version, and I could argue that we are better positioned versus the impending hate. So who knows. Maybe the BW version will just next level people.
True enough Panda. That said, let's keep brewing about SB options. I've got some Displacers on the way, quite excited about them. I feel like we now have incentive to play an increased attrition game, 1-for-1s like Strangler, sweepers, Bearer of Silence, maybe Liliana needs to be highlighted. Or perhaps we change gears and, rather than winning through combat damage, we play a more flexible game by setting up functional walls with Sower and stab away with the new pinger guy, or something of that nature. More flexibility means we won't have to abandon this deck.
edit: could also revisit Heartless Eldrazi
I agree with what is being said here. I personally am going to be removing Warping Wail for actual kill spells (Doom Blade being a likely one...) I am also going to be adding a Whip of Erebos to the MB. This will allow us to use previously killed Eldrazi (either from trades or ones that ate non-path removal) and supplement ourselves with some lifegain. I still think Sower is too slow at the end of the day even though it does make a good blocker for Reality Smasher. Blight Herder is still going to be our best friend as well. I'm also meh on Displacer because it resets their Mimics every turn (essentially they swing out and if you blink the Smasher, you pump the mimics back to 5/5's. If you Blink the Mimic, you have to block the 5/5 Trampler. I think we are still a good deck, the panic surrounding the deck (and I agree some of it is unwarranted) just takes some of the fun out of playing it.
I still think Displacer is terrible and has no place whatsoever in this deck, but I agree that Bearer of Silence may actually be worth some consideration. Evasion is huge in the colorless matchup, and its sacrifice ability happens on cast, not on ETB, which means it takes effect even in the face of Chalice on 2, or Torpor Orb. Possibly worth some consideration?
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My 360 Peasant+ Cube!. Modern borders where possible, usually with the newest (or "best") art, and always the most readable card text. I also run all 10 painlands. My playgroup is super casual, as we have a fair number of newer or less experienced players. Typically we draft with 4 to 6 people, using 5 packs of 9.
Sowers belong in the sideboard. I agree with what the colorless aggro version did with sower. It is a card for the mirror.
The more I test the UR version, the more I realize it has two "gears." It can have explosive starts, but not always but eventually it just starts dropping annoying threats that become explosive later. It is very much Izzet in that manor. The prime targets for removal are mimic, TKS and Endless one.
I am not sure what the best removal will be. Doom blade makes me cringe for some reason. I think the pros had it right with Dismember since it is so easy to cast and hits relevant targets.
I also think in the current meta, it is time for All is Dust to exit and damnation to enter, which makes me sad because I don't own any and don't want to drop the cash for them.
My friend also sent me this list: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/372540#online. It looks like it plans to prey the other eldrazi decks (and affinity), while having burn threats with a ton of land hate. I think things are changing a lot.
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Sowers belong in the sideboard. I agree with what the colorless aggro version did with sower. It is a card for the mirror.
The more I test the UR version, the more I realize it has two "gears." It can have explosive starts, but not always but eventually it just starts dropping annoying threats that become explosive later. It is very much Izzet in that manor. The prime targets for removal are mimic, TKS and Endless one.
I am not sure what the best removal will be. Doom blade makes me cringe for some reason. I think the pros had it right with Dismember since it is so easy to cast and hits relevant targets.
I also think in the current meta, it is time for All is Dust to exit and damnation to enter, which makes me sad because I don't own any and don't want to drop the cash for them.
My friend also sent me this list: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/372540#online. It looks like it plans to prey the other eldrazi decks (and affinity), while having burn threats with a ton of land hate. I think things are changing a lot.
Dismember is good but paying 4 life for it is cringe worthy to me. In this meta GftT is just not going to be good enough either. Doom Blade at least hits most things. Unfortunately if Painter's Servant sees more play, it can make it worthless. My problem with adding Sower to the SB is that it takes out slots we are using for other things. If you don't have Damnation, you could try running Wrath of God or Day of Judgement since they do the same thing (you'd need to probably use a filter land or 2).
I was play testing against the colorless version last night and Worship was owning them, however, if I didn't get the Worship down they usually went too wide too fast and I couldn't keep up. The Blue Red version has no way to remove Worship either. Worship is also good against the other aggro linear decks like Affinity, Merfolk and Death's Shadow.
I've also found the one mana discard spells to be lackluster against a field of decks that vomit their hand on the board in the first couple of turns. Even late game (turn four or five) Thought Knot Seers aren't that great.
Finally, Path to Exile in the mirror is kind of a feel bad because it just ends up accelerating your opponent. Also, if the colorless version gets out an early Chalice the Paths, Inquisitions and Thoughtseizes rot in your hand until a Disenchant, Engineered Explosives or Ratchet Bomb shows up.
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Nothing will likely happen til April but the PT took a lot of the fun out of this deck (because of all the doomsaying that surrounds it). I will be looking to poach on folks who want to buy in for the next few months (while I continue to play it). If I can get a good return on them, I might move to something more stable like Goyfs and Lilis. Til I get those offers though, I am going to keep playing and improving the list.
Honestly, the only part of the deck that looks to be a problem is the eye of ugin at the moment. Everything else is likely safe unless Wizards takes a different approach to solving format issues than we expect. In any case, there's no use worrying over something like that outside of the ban thread, so lets keep on track and focus on how to build a good deck. If someone builds without eye of ugin we probably already know the reason, so no need to press on the issue.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah, there is just a general air of pessimism around the build now that is hard to fight through. Before the PT we were all excited and eager to see how it progressed. Sounds like CFB started off with the BW build and didn't like it's clunkiness as much (I expect in the early game where they expected most folks to be playing). The aggro variants were definitely more in line with the PT meta. Still, I am with you that Eye of Ugin should be the only thing that is dealt with and possibly traded off early (they are also one of the more expensive pieces).
C Serum Eldrazi
Legacy:
C Eldrazi
C Mud
W Soldier Stompy
R Bread (big red stompy)
WU Spirit Blade
WUG Meat Hooks
WUBGR Blue Dredge
I think I might do the same (probably run 2 Sea Gate Wreckage in their place and run 1 more Godless Shrine in place of the Urborg).
If you want to play legacy then it does work. I wonder if it'll stick in Legacy though and if it does, how much value Eye of Ugin will keep. If it drops down to $10-15 dollars, might as well cash in now and then pick it back up after it drops. Enjoy the excess value. Personally I don't want to play legacy but this would be an easy way to port into it (other than needing more of the lands from legacy).
true! although the land base is pretty sweet (don't need duals) cuz u just need some locus lands and ancient tombs n ur good.
anyways, any thoughts on how to deal with painter?
C Serum Eldrazi
Legacy:
C Eldrazi
C Mud
W Soldier Stompy
R Bread (big red stompy)
WU Spirit Blade
WUG Meat Hooks
WUBGR Blue Dredge
Warping Wail? Dismember? Path? Disenchant? Wasteland Strangler? he is pretty easy for us to deal with and effects us FAR less than the colorless and UR variants (who rely on the "colorless" typing far too much.
As we are ok with going later in the game, land hate is less good against us. The processor version showed it can hang with the colorless version, and I could argue that we are better positioned versus the impending hate. So who knows. Maybe the BW version will just next level people.
I think Chalice or SSG is much more worthy of a ban.
edit: could also revisit Heartless Eldrazi
I agree with what is being said here. I personally am going to be removing Warping Wail for actual kill spells (Doom Blade being a likely one...) I am also going to be adding a Whip of Erebos to the MB. This will allow us to use previously killed Eldrazi (either from trades or ones that ate non-path removal) and supplement ourselves with some lifegain. I still think Sower is too slow at the end of the day even though it does make a good blocker for Reality Smasher. Blight Herder is still going to be our best friend as well. I'm also meh on Displacer because it resets their Mimics every turn (essentially they swing out and if you blink the Smasher, you pump the mimics back to 5/5's. If you Blink the Mimic, you have to block the 5/5 Trampler. I think we are still a good deck, the panic surrounding the deck (and I agree some of it is unwarranted) just takes some of the fun out of playing it.
The more I test the UR version, the more I realize it has two "gears." It can have explosive starts, but not always but eventually it just starts dropping annoying threats that become explosive later. It is very much Izzet in that manor. The prime targets for removal are mimic, TKS and Endless one.
I am not sure what the best removal will be. Doom blade makes me cringe for some reason. I think the pros had it right with Dismember since it is so easy to cast and hits relevant targets.
I also think in the current meta, it is time for All is Dust to exit and damnation to enter, which makes me sad because I don't own any and don't want to drop the cash for them.
My friend also sent me this list: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/372540#online. It looks like it plans to prey the other eldrazi decks (and affinity), while having burn threats with a ton of land hate. I think things are changing a lot.
Dismember is good but paying 4 life for it is cringe worthy to me. In this meta GftT is just not going to be good enough either. Doom Blade at least hits most things. Unfortunately if Painter's Servant sees more play, it can make it worthless. My problem with adding Sower to the SB is that it takes out slots we are using for other things. If you don't have Damnation, you could try running Wrath of God or Day of Judgement since they do the same thing (you'd need to probably use a filter land or 2).
I've also found the one mana discard spells to be lackluster against a field of decks that vomit their hand on the board in the first couple of turns. Even late game (turn four or five) Thought Knot Seers aren't that great.
Finally, Path to Exile in the mirror is kind of a feel bad because it just ends up accelerating your opponent. Also, if the colorless version gets out an early Chalice the Paths, Inquisitions and Thoughtseizes rot in your hand until a Disenchant, Engineered Explosives or Ratchet Bomb shows up.