So I was on this deck a while ago and thought I'd take it for a spin at FNM tonight. I've made a few variations to the deck to play it a little more like a hatebears deck tuned to the current meta. Here is what I sleeved up.
I know theres a pretty big divergence from the standard build. Lightning bolts came out in favor of flame slash because of the rise in thing in the ice and the increaded prevalence of spirits. In too many matches the bolt just iant doing enough dmg. Which is also why I upped the shandra found and switched from inferno titan to glorybringer. It hurts to move the Scooze to the MD, but with dredge on the rise post creeping chill, and arclight Phoenix being everywhere, you need to have something MD to deal with it. Not to mention the value it has against a host of other decks. As im sure has been stated the BBE had to go, it has too many feels bad cascades in the current build. My biggest concern is the same concern I jad playimg this deck before and that's lack of closing speed and the ability to finish the game. Id really lile to be able to free another spot or maybe 2 for threats but I'm not sure what I'd cut to get there. I could maybe trim 1 molten rain but that's about it.
The SB mostly speaks for it self. I opt for 4 baloth. I just like the card a lot and think it's value is understated. Trinisphere count is a ticl higher, again because of arclight Phoenix decks. The only thing i am contemplation changing is not going with relic and opting for grafdiggers cage instead.
I also had a notion of going to a suite of more plainswalkes and running ensnaring bridge im the SB but that might be too jank.
Nice to see another Glorybringer user. Flame Slash is good, but if you want to hit phoenix.. try lava coil, it prevents phoenix and dredge creatures from coming back. You already have 12 land disruption. It looks safe to cut one or two molten rain for more threats.
Well I played the posted version of my deck. Only difference was I took out one kessig wolf run and added a 3rd glorybringer. Went 3-0 at FNM
G1 vs Runaway Red 2-1: G1 he just gassed and beat me as I top deckrd 5 strait land. Boarded really heavy into this match. G2 and G3 went exactly the same T2 trinisphere T3 LD T4 Baloth scoop
G2 VS Mardu 2-1: G1 he had enough discard to throw me off and blood Moon rotted in my hand. Just as above G2 and G3 were T2 trini T3 LD and the games were over at that point.
G3 VS Elves 2-1: G1 he went bananas with elves and killed me pretty promptly. G2 he played out into a anger of the gods and he died to double tireless tracker. G3 was T2 Trinispere then 3 strait LD sp3lls. After that a a glorybringer went to work and finisbed him off
Honestly I can't imagine changing anything right now. The trininsphere was big big money every match and the blood Moon was worthless all night. Makes me wonder if they should be flip flopped. Ill play this at a 1k tomorrow and see how it rolls.
Removal that let's you cheat an extra spell, and rewards us well for playing a ramp deck with a thicc curve. I'm salivating just picturing hitting a goyf dead and free-casting a BBE to cascade into moon/rain/tracker.
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I'm currently been eyeing ponza a lot, it seems like a fun deck to play.
I have a few questions, it'd be great if anyone could help me.
1. What, overall is this deck's tier?
2. Is it a hard deck to play and master?
I currently live very far from my LGS, I watch modern streams and am very interested in playing a bit more, so I need a deck that I can do decently well and maybe go to an FNM every 2-3 weeks and do decently with it. I don't expect to win 100 player tournaments but a prize in an FNM here and there would be great.
I algo need the deck to be good against burn as it's very prevalent in my meta, there are also some humans and company decks.
I've seen posts about electro dominance etc, but no love for repudiate replicate. It's a flexible stonerain for 2 mana. I doubt most players will be aware enough to play around it. A stonerain that isn't dead in the lategame seems pretty alright.
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I've seen posts about electro dominance etc, but no love for repudiate replicate. It's a flexible stonerain for 2 mana. I doubt most players will be aware enough to play around it. A stonerain that isn't dead in the lategame seems pretty alright.
That might be because the replicate half demands a color splash. Sure, you can talk about it, but expecting "love" for an out of color card? Apart from replicate, you should be bringing up what else blue brings to the board, especially in this blood moon deck.
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Just make half your fetches misty and add one island. Utopia sprawl is the other blue source. You also then get access to countermagic post board. If you want to go really deep you can also run some number of spreading seas.
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@Asmodeus666 The truth is, it works pretty well against my meta. Condemn is what surprised me the most, it works very well against phoenix, dredge and in general against anyone who plays creatures.
On the other hand you have to be very careful with the blood moon, sometimes you don't find the white or incredibly the double red.
The next FM i will play naya ponza and I will report you.
Just make half your fetches misty and add one island. Utopia sprawl is the other blue source. You also then get access to countermagic post board. If you want to go really deep you can also run some number of spreading seas.
I'm just guessing here, but you haven't tried this, have you? I have.
it doesn't work. you get awkward, very awkward hands with misty or the off color fetch. In my case, I was attempting temur moon with kiki as the win con, but feel free to try temur replicate with moon. You'll find that you have to drop moon if you want to splash.
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Not since I was trying to jam ancestral vision when bloodbraid got unbanned. I don't think the mana is unworkable if it's just a splash for the sb and replicate, but flipping a negate off of bloodbraid sounds unappealing. You also don't have to play blue to run repudiate, it just gets substantially worse if you don't. Maybe I will try it after the set drops.
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Not since I was trying to jam ancestral vision when bloodbraid got unbanned. I don't think the mana is unworkable if it's just a splash for the sb and replicate, but flipping a negate off of bloodbraid sounds unappealing. You also don't have to play blue to run repudiate, it just gets substantially worse if you don't. Maybe I will try it after the set drops.
I have toyed in the brewer's section of my mind Temur kiki evolution with BBE, AV, Kiki exarch+mite combo, where the utopia sprawls enable turn 3 kills in conjunction with the exarch/mite's untap ability. elaboration: t1 sprawl, t2 any 3 cmc creature (tracker, mite, exarch), t3 exarch/mite, untap the sprawled land, evolution one of the 2 creatures and get kiki out.
I'm still *pretty* sure it would be a good idea to drop moon altogether. being able to freely park a sprawl on a shock is too important.
And if I did that it would be totally out of scope for this thread entirely.
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I've accepted that the ramp package, 3-4 drop control, and late bombs are what make this deck Ponza.
Blood Moon is a card we mainboarded because it was good against at least 51% of the meta (and often way more). When I look at the meta right now, I can't bring myself to main it anymore.
I'm accepted that the ramp package, 3-4 drop control, and late bombs are what make this deck Ponza.
Blood Moon is a card we mainboarded because it was good against at least 51% of the meta (and often way more). When I look at the meta right now, I can't bring myself to main it anymore.
I'm assuming if my meta is weak to BM I should still use it, however. How do current lists look for Ponza? Finalizing my build and I'm curious.
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there's a reddit forum for rg ponza and this is a list from someone who has done a guide for the meta right now.
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Nice to see another Glorybringer user. Flame Slash is good, but if you want to hit phoenix.. try lava coil, it prevents phoenix and dredge creatures from coming back. You already have 12 land disruption. It looks safe to cut one or two molten rain for more threats.
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G1 vs Runaway Red 2-1: G1 he just gassed and beat me as I top deckrd 5 strait land. Boarded really heavy into this match. G2 and G3 went exactly the same T2 trinisphere T3 LD T4 Baloth scoop
G2 VS Mardu 2-1: G1 he had enough discard to throw me off and blood Moon rotted in my hand. Just as above G2 and G3 were T2 trini T3 LD and the games were over at that point.
G3 VS Elves 2-1: G1 he went bananas with elves and killed me pretty promptly. G2 he played out into a anger of the gods and he died to double tireless tracker. G3 was T2 Trinispere then 3 strait LD sp3lls. After that a a glorybringer went to work and finisbed him off
Honestly I can't imagine changing anything right now. The trininsphere was big big money every match and the blood Moon was worthless all night. Makes me wonder if they should be flip flopped. Ill play this at a 1k tomorrow and see how it rolls.
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The first two skills are good, more the second but the first one can be very useful with some cards. T3 titan with haste i so sweet
We could move on to a ponza g/r with more creatures. Fulminator Mage instead of Molten Rain.
Removal that let's you cheat an extra spell, and rewards us well for playing a ramp deck with a thicc curve. I'm salivating just picturing hitting a goyf dead and free-casting a BBE to cascade into moon/rain/tracker.
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I'm currently been eyeing ponza a lot, it seems like a fun deck to play.
I have a few questions, it'd be great if anyone could help me.
1. What, overall is this deck's tier?
2. Is it a hard deck to play and master?
I currently live very far from my LGS, I watch modern streams and am very interested in playing a bit more, so I need a deck that I can do decently well and maybe go to an FNM every 2-3 weeks and do decently with it. I don't expect to win 100 player tournaments but a prize in an FNM here and there would be great.
I algo need the deck to be good against burn as it's very prevalent in my meta, there are also some humans and company decks.
Thank you for any help! Happy Ponzas!
I think ponza is not the best deck for your meta but the naya version could work with a few tweaks.
4 Arbor Elf
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Tireless Tracker
4 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Eternal Witness
2 Glorybringer
3 Knight of Autumn
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Enchantment
4 Utopia Sprawl
3 Blood Moon
2 Lightning Bolt
Sorcery
4 Stone Rain
1 Fiery Justice
Planeswalker
1 Arlinn Kord
2 Ajani Vengeant
Land
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Plain
8 Forest
3 Condemn
2 Fiery Justice
1 Knight of Autumn
3 Rest in Peace
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
2 Stony Silence
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Wear // Tear
You can change something based on your meta, for example add: Lightning Helix,Kitchen Finks and Grafdigger's Cage.
Kind regards!
That might be because the replicate half demands a color splash. Sure, you can talk about it, but expecting "love" for an out of color card? Apart from replicate, you should be bringing up what else blue brings to the board, especially in this blood moon deck.
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On the other hand you have to be very careful with the blood moon, sometimes you don't find the white or incredibly the double red.
The next FM i will play naya ponza and I will report you.
I'm just guessing here, but you haven't tried this, have you? I have.
it doesn't work. you get awkward, very awkward hands with misty or the off color fetch. In my case, I was attempting temur moon with kiki as the win con, but feel free to try temur replicate with moon. You'll find that you have to drop moon if you want to splash.
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I have toyed in the brewer's section of my mind Temur kiki evolution with BBE, AV, Kiki exarch+mite combo, where the utopia sprawls enable turn 3 kills in conjunction with the exarch/mite's untap ability. elaboration: t1 sprawl, t2 any 3 cmc creature (tracker, mite, exarch), t3 exarch/mite, untap the sprawled land, evolution one of the 2 creatures and get kiki out.
I'm still *pretty* sure it would be a good idea to drop moon altogether. being able to freely park a sprawl on a shock is too important.
And if I did that it would be totally out of scope for this thread entirely.
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Blood Moon is a card we mainboarded because it was good against at least 51% of the meta (and often way more). When I look at the meta right now, I can't bring myself to main it anymore.
I'm assuming if my meta is weak to BM I should still use it, however. How do current lists look for Ponza? Finalizing my build and I'm curious.
BG Elves // "He's back. And he brought his friends. And their friends."
BG The Rock // "Dwayne Johnson approved."
RU Izzet Phoenix // "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
UGW Bant Spirits // "Super Ghost Bros."
BUG Sultai Wildnerness Teachings // "How many turns did I just take again?"
C Colorless Eldrazi // "Smash you."
there's a reddit forum for rg ponza and this is a list from someone who has done a guide for the meta right now.
Interesting list, raking canopy is fun