It´s either that or Anticipate considering many lists run some flash creatures - having the option to cast anticipate to find powerful sideboard options or filter through the deck seems nice but I have yet to test it out. I don´t imagine 4 in the maindeck to be honest, but a couple could possibly find their way into the deck. I´d say, be proactive in game 1, and have the option to convert into a more reactive strategy post board, thought not purely a control deck.
I personally prefer Serum Visions over Anticipate, seeing as I found myself often using Anticipate main phase to find lands anyways.
Also @GreatNate, I'd like to hear your input on the questions I posted above, seeing as you also don't seem to run Spell Snare anymore and used Anticipate in yout PPTQ list and you generally seem to have about the same ideas about the deck that I have
I'm considering to switch out the Kor Firewalkers with Auriok Champion now that grixis and jund colors are so big. Besides being immune to all their removal except Liliana, blocking their Tasigurs/Gurmag Anglers/Dark Confidants/Raging Ravines, they also nullify the Deceiver Exarch/Splinter Twin combo. It should be somewhat weaker against burn, though.
The lists looks pretty good. Other than the Azorious Charm which looks odd, I'm not sure on the YP. I've tried a couple Yound Pyro in the past and he was very inconsistent. Some games he single handedly won, others it was super awkward and I didn't want to cast him on T2. Then again, I didn't run Gitaxian Probe. I like where you are going with it. I think I'd probably want to cut the Resto and Charm and go up to a full set of Pyromancer and Probe.
The Firewalker vs Champion seems fair. Burn has lost a little share. However, being a 1/1 for 2 is pretty meh. It will block burns guys but doesn't kill them. Walling a Tasigur isn't a long term plan, and I think Twin wouldn't have that much trouble to get it off the board before they combo. Or just ignore it and kill you the old fashion way.
The lists looks pretty good. Other than the Azorious Charm which looks odd,
Glad you like the deck, the Azorius Charm is a 5th (7th if we count the cryptics) decent answer to Goyf, Tasigur/Gurmag Angler and other resilient creatures that are so crucial to get out of the way for our small creatures to get through. As Julien and Khainn talked about a few pages back, 4 Paths is often a bit low, especially when our opponent has discard and counter spells. It's 6 points lifegain with geist alone against burn, so it can replace Helix. And it cantrips when you don't need it or when you're looking for something specific.
I'm not sure on the YP. I've tried a couple Yound Pyro in the past and he was very inconsistent. Some games he single handedly won, others it was super awkward and I didn't want to cast him on T2. Then again, I didn't run Gitaxian Probe. I like where you are going with it. I think I'd probably want to cut the Resto and Charm and go up to a full set of Pyromancer and Probe.
It's not so great vs bolt-snap-electrolyze decks, so I prefer 3 maindeck (don't want to draw 2 there). The grixis tempo decks also usually play 3. It's great against decks with little cheap removal, like Coco-decks, Amulet, Tron, Affinity, Infect etc., so we can just keep up mana for counters and removal and let it spew out tokens. Also, we need the tokens against the Bgx decks, to make it harder for them to make us sac geist to liliana. Chumpblocking and chumpblocking + bolt can also be useful.
What do you think about Shattering Spree or Vandalblast instead of Stony Silence now, because of amulet bloom? Destroying that turn 1 amulet is pretty important in that matchup.
Hey guys, another big fan of UWr here
I have been playing #teamgeist for some time now and I recently found this primer. Very interesting read.
It has helped a lot in fine tuning my deck for GP Copenhagen.
Here's the list I'm taking if you guys are interested:
Honestly i don't think is a good idea... I'm ok with O. Command only as budget replacment for Cryptic command...Restoration angel is a sick card who give you a unboltable 3/4 evasive beater for 4 mana and instant speed. The blink trigger is usfull for gaist and ETB effect like splicer or wall of omen. Command give you a super-conditional counter, a conditional reanimation spell (good only with snapcaster in late game) and life/draw option. Better some trheat hard to remove who can give you card advantage blinking some thing
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Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Probably for the extra burn, and giving things double strike.
Giving your angel token double strike can be pretty funny.
This is probably the most aggressive Geist variant ever. Look at the amount of burn spells he runs.
And crackling doom is just so good at clearing the way for Geist. Especially against decks like abzan/jund when they think they can just wall you with a goyf.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
I have some questions and opinions I'd like to discuss:
1. I see a lot of lists have cut Spell Snare altogether. I still religiously run at least 2 as they are strong in counter wars and help catching up when on the draw, so I'd like to know why people cut them
3. Looking at the field, it seems that the strongest option for UWr right now is to be able to morph between control and midrange. But what deck would be strongest game 1? Essentially, would you rather put Geist mainboard with Wraths and wincons in the sideboard or vice versa?
4. Purposefully putting myself on an extreme standpoint here, but I think that (apart from Merfolk) every blue deck in modern should be running 4x Serum Visions. It solves, or at least eases, a lot of problems for UWr Midrange that are often causes of a loss (I didn't draw an early Geist/I didn't draw enough or too many lands/I didn't find my removal). The main challenge is finding out what to cut for it, which is a matter of narrowness of the cut card's utility as every Serum Visions increases the odds of drawing said card anyways.
Hi Bearscape, sorry for the delay in a reply. I have been on vacation and still have one more day left.
1. The reason I opted to not run Spell Snare was that I don't think it's better than anything else I have in the list right now. Additionally, I've had Spell Snare be amazing in testing, and I've also had them be dead in my hand. For that reason, and since the counter suite I am running is limited, I want them to be as flexible as possible. Outside of things like turn one plating, Mana Leak can still hit everything Spell Snare does if you're on the play, and whole lot more. That doesn't mean running Spell Snare is wrong, but if I had to pick a side I'd pick no Spell Snare right now.
2. When I last tested Elspeth, there was an issue of her just dying on the back swing, however that was a different Meta. I haven't tested her recetnly and it might be worth doing again. I can say that she doesn't seem great vs Twin/Burn/Delver/Affinity/Tron/Bloom. Maybe in the side?
3. I'm always going to opt for Geist in the Maindeck. Even when I'm boarding into more of a control deck, Geist usually stays in in some numbers.
4. I think our deck will have to take a lot of pain (Fetch-Shock) to make a Turn 1 Serum Visions reliably cast-able. Then there is the awkwardness of often having a fetch for a shock, and then following it up with a tapped Colonnade on turn two. This is an issue many of the Grixis lists do not have to face, thus T1 vision, T2 hold up counter spell isn't a big deal. I also think Serum Visions is better in a deck where you can always be digging for something that will end the game, such as the missing combo piece in Twin. Anticipate is better when it can be used in reactionary fashion. We are an aggro-control deck, and often times we have to react to the thing our opponent has done to prevent Geist from attacking, or play the control game for the first few turns until we can turn a corner. Jeskai Geist could certainly take advantage of Visions, but I feel like considering the fact that we run Colonnades, and that we have to do a lot of reacting to make sure our proactive plan (Geist) can be executed, Anticipate is more of where we want to be. Please let me know if you think this assessment is incorrect.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
why do you guys play thundermaw over stormbreath dragon? there are not much lingering souls to kill and even if there where: stormbreath flies through and has also protection from path..
I'm not interested in protection from white, Geist has Hexproof and Regent bolts you if you kill him, I already have my share of creatures that don't die easily.
I thought that having lots of creature with protection means any creature without protection is a liability? If they don't spend removal on Geist or Regent, they'll be holding onto it and almost always be able to drop it on Thundermaw.
I prefer Stormbreath for a meta with lots of Path, but right now, I think Keranos, God of Storms is the way to go.
I'm not interested in protection from white, Geist has Hexproof and Regent bolts you if you kill him, I already have my share of creatures that don't die easily.
I thought that having lots of creature with protection means any creature without protection is a liability? If they don't spend removal on Geist or Regent, they'll be holding onto it and almost always be able to drop it on Thundermaw.
I prefer Stormbreath for a meta with lots of Path, but right now, I think Keranos, God of Storms is the way to go.
Personnaly, with all the X/5s in the current meta (Gurmag, Tasigur, Rhino, Goyf) I rather have something like Gideon Jura... Or Baneslayer Angel. Keranos can't do much against X/5s, and Gideon and Baneslayer are better against the X/5 squad.
So I've seen a lot of UWRb being talked about. Is this because of my ideas a few weeks ago about black splash for UWR Geist, or did some UWRb deck win a tourney?
So I've seen a lot of UWRb being talked about. Is this because of my ideas a few weeks ago about black splash for UWR Geist, or did some UWRb deck win a tourney?
There's also a list in the top 100 or so at Grand Prix Copenhagen.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfPsXyF89xw
Also @GreatNate, I'd like to hear your input on the questions I posted above, seeing as you also don't seem to run Spell Snare anymore and used Anticipate in yout PPTQ list and you generally seem to have about the same ideas about the deck that I have
The decklist I'm considering for GP Copenhagen:
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Geist of Saint Traft
3 Young Pyromancer
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Restoration Angel
Instant/Sorcery (23)
3 Gitaxian Probe
3 Remand
2 Mana Leak
2 Cryptic Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
2 Lightning Helix
1 Azorius Charm
2 Electrolyze
2 Steam Vents
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
4 Celestial Colonnade
1 Arid Mesa
4 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Sulfur Falls
2 Island
1 Mountain
1 Plains
1 Tectonic Edge
2 Auriok Champion
2 Blood Moon
1 Dispel
1 Negate
1 Spellskite
2 Stony Silence
1 Celestial Purge
1 Gideon Jura
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Wear/Tear
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
The Firewalker vs Champion seems fair. Burn has lost a little share. However, being a 1/1 for 2 is pretty meh. It will block burns guys but doesn't kill them. Walling a Tasigur isn't a long term plan, and I think Twin wouldn't have that much trouble to get it off the board before they combo. Or just ignore it and kill you the old fashion way.
Modern: R Skred -- WBG Melira Co -- URW Nahiri Control
Legacy: R Mono Red Burn -- UWB Stoneblade
Commander: R Krenko, Mob Boss -- WUBRG Scion of the Ur-Dragon -- WUBRG Maze’s End
Other: R No Rares Red (Standard) -- URC Izzet Tron (Pauper)
Glad you like the deck, the Azorius Charm is a 5th (7th if we count the cryptics) decent answer to Goyf, Tasigur/Gurmag Angler and other resilient creatures that are so crucial to get out of the way for our small creatures to get through. As Julien and Khainn talked about a few pages back, 4 Paths is often a bit low, especially when our opponent has discard and counter spells. It's 6 points lifegain with geist alone against burn, so it can replace Helix. And it cantrips when you don't need it or when you're looking for something specific.
It's not so great vs bolt-snap-electrolyze decks, so I prefer 3 maindeck (don't want to draw 2 there). The grixis tempo decks also usually play 3. It's great against decks with little cheap removal, like Coco-decks, Amulet, Tron, Affinity, Infect etc., so we can just keep up mana for counters and removal and let it spew out tokens. Also, we need the tokens against the Bgx decks, to make it harder for them to make us sac geist to liliana. Chumpblocking and chumpblocking + bolt can also be useful.
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
UWRUWR Delver/Lynx TempoUWR-------UWRUWR Midrange GeistUWR-------UWRUWR Nahiri ControlUWR-------UWRUWR SaheeliUWR
BGRJund / Jund ShadowBGR-------BGWAbzan / Abzan ShadowBGW
Commander (Leviathan/MTGO): UWGeist of Saint TraftUW
I have been playing #teamgeist for some time now and I recently found this primer. Very interesting read.
It has helped a lot in fine tuning my deck for GP Copenhagen.
Here's the list I'm taking if you guys are interested:
2x Arid Mesa
4x Celestial Colonnade
4x Flooded Strand
2x Ghost Quarter
1x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
1x Mountain
1x Plains
1x Sacred Foundry
2x Scalding Tarn
1x Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep
2x Steam Vents
2x Sulfur Falls
2x Cryptic Command
1x Electrolyze
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Lightning Helix
2x Mana Leak
4x Path to Exile
2x Remand
Creature (15)
2x Blade Splicer
4x Geist of Saint Traft
3x Restoration Angel
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Vendilion Clique
Planeswalker (1)
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Celestial Purge
1x Dispel
2x Engineered Explosives
1x Izzet Staticaster
1x Keranos, God of Storms
1x Negate
1x Rending Volley
2x Sowing Salt
2x Stony Silence
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Valorous Stance
1x Wear / Tear
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Would love to have more input to improve!
UWR Control/Midrange/Delver
UWR TwinMiss youGBWJunk (still semi-budget; 3 tarmo only)
GWAura Hexproof
GWHatebears
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Path to Exile
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
3 Crackling Doom
3 Remand
3 Electrolyze
2 Spell Snare
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Boros Charm
4 Flooded Strand
4 Arid Mesa
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Mountain
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Godless Shrine
1 Blood Crypt
1 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Steam Vents
2 Sulfur Falls
3 Celestial Colonnade
3 Stony Silence
2 Thoughtseize
2 Dispel
2 Negate
2 Wear // Tear
2 Timely Reinforcements
1 Rending Volley
1 Relic of Progenitus
All the GPT winning lists can be found here http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcop15/grand-prix-trial-winning-decklists-2015-06-20
Giving your angel token double strike can be pretty funny.
This is probably the most aggressive Geist variant ever. Look at the amount of burn spells he runs.
And crackling doom is just so good at clearing the way for Geist. Especially against decks like abzan/jund when they think they can just wall you with a goyf.
Hi Bearscape, sorry for the delay in a reply. I have been on vacation and still have one more day left.
1. The reason I opted to not run Spell Snare was that I don't think it's better than anything else I have in the list right now. Additionally, I've had Spell Snare be amazing in testing, and I've also had them be dead in my hand. For that reason, and since the counter suite I am running is limited, I want them to be as flexible as possible. Outside of things like turn one plating, Mana Leak can still hit everything Spell Snare does if you're on the play, and whole lot more. That doesn't mean running Spell Snare is wrong, but if I had to pick a side I'd pick no Spell Snare right now.
2. When I last tested Elspeth, there was an issue of her just dying on the back swing, however that was a different Meta. I haven't tested her recetnly and it might be worth doing again. I can say that she doesn't seem great vs Twin/Burn/Delver/Affinity/Tron/Bloom. Maybe in the side?
3. I'm always going to opt for Geist in the Maindeck. Even when I'm boarding into more of a control deck, Geist usually stays in in some numbers.
4. I think our deck will have to take a lot of pain (Fetch-Shock) to make a Turn 1 Serum Visions reliably cast-able. Then there is the awkwardness of often having a fetch for a shock, and then following it up with a tapped Colonnade on turn two. This is an issue many of the Grixis lists do not have to face, thus T1 vision, T2 hold up counter spell isn't a big deal. I also think Serum Visions is better in a deck where you can always be digging for something that will end the game, such as the missing combo piece in Twin. Anticipate is better when it can be used in reactionary fashion. We are an aggro-control deck, and often times we have to react to the thing our opponent has done to prevent Geist from attacking, or play the control game for the first few turns until we can turn a corner. Jeskai Geist could certainly take advantage of Visions, but I feel like considering the fact that we run Colonnades, and that we have to do a lot of reacting to make sure our proactive plan (Geist) can be executed, Anticipate is more of where we want to be. Please let me know if you think this assessment is incorrect.
I thought that having lots of creature with protection means any creature without protection is a liability? If they don't spend removal on Geist or Regent, they'll be holding onto it and almost always be able to drop it on Thundermaw.
I prefer Stormbreath for a meta with lots of Path, but right now, I think Keranos, God of Storms is the way to go.
Personnaly, with all the X/5s in the current meta (Gurmag, Tasigur, Rhino, Goyf) I rather have something like Gideon Jura... Or Baneslayer Angel. Keranos can't do much against X/5s, and Gideon and Baneslayer are better against the X/5 squad.
There's also a list in the top 100 or so at Grand Prix Copenhagen.