MTG Salvation

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Isnt disenchant strictly better? It hits all the targets you mentioned, and it can hit pod and cranial plating.

Isn't Wear // Tear better? It hits both of the cards you listed at the same time.

celestial purge can hit non artifact/enchantment permanents, which is QUITE relevant, if you ask me.
Things like liliana, kiki jiki, or bob (if you dont have a bolt in hand)

So tonight I am going to a modern FNM and I have a question. I am thinking about taking is this:


However, I am expecting a fair meta as last time I went there. Affinity, jund and uwr were there and many old standard decks were being played. So my question is, in a more fair meta such as that, would geist be something to put back in? Would he do better in such a meta? Like -1 revelation/clique/angel/electrolyze +4 geist.

Ok i will stick to this list. I thought so as he is bad vs aggro and bad vs combo. These two archetypes make up the majority of the meta right now so i will stick to flash. And what about revelation in flash?

I don't buy into geist being bad against aggro, use gigadrowse,cryptic, vapor snag, azorius charm to clear the way. You'll be hitting for 6 + bolt twice and likely finishing people off in turn 5.

Against affinity, Sundering growth their blocker and populate an extra 4/4 for turn 5, or block something big.

I dont think Geist is good in the current meta. Yes I know you can burn blockers and swing, but if they get ahead on board your Geist looks terrible. Tapping out on turn 3 against combo is a horrible idea, and twin plays dudes that can block and kill Geist anyway, and against storm tapping out is just bad. I think the best creature setup is snap/vendilion clique/restoration angel. I have been thinking about using spellstutterer sprites as additional flash disruption since I am running three vendilion cliques already. I have also added spell pierce to the maindeck and found it unbelievable in general. I'm not sure if spellstutterer sprite is the right call, but it is working.

Against combo your right geist is bad and it's 50% of what's out there. I only advocate geist for aggro. Tap down or remove threats and swing just works.

So I'll do a little tournament report from a gigantic Modern FNM from last night, 45 people!

Just for reference here is my list:



4 rouds:

#1: Vs black white?? (played with Hypnotic spectre, vampire nighthawk)

All creatures were 3 or less toughness, landed turn 3 geist both games. Total blowout didn't sideboard at all.

2-0

#2: Vs what he called "Rainbow Rage" 5 color with loxodon smiter, Burning Tree, Judge's Familiar, Boros Charm

Did a good job of keeping his board clear, 1 for 1. Then he started drawing into the loxodon smiters, had a giest on board with Eigango Castle took care of some of the Burning Trees, but he drew all 4 Smiters, was trading colonnades, saw no paths, G1.

Sideboard out giest, snare, and electrolyze, in wrath, anger, explosives, supreme, batterskull, wear/tear from some crazy enchantment that nulled my helixes G1.

open with 2 lands, supreme, wrath, batterskull, path, wear/tear, Awesome!

Never saw a 3rd land. GG

0-2

#3: Vs Splinter moon?

Good hand, no counters, path, plenty of removal. Easy keep vs twin. He lands a turn 3 blood moon, I have no response. G1

Game 2, in 2 counterflux, wear/tear, 2 runed halo, out 3 geist, 2 electrolyze.

open with crypic, leak, counterflux, snap, lands. Awesome

Playing the counter war all game draw go, he keeps trying to bate counters out of me with snap & Deceiver. I leak + snap a bunch of times, block his snaps with mine, always holding crypic and flux mana open. Draw into geist with 8 mana on board, play giest holding cryptic and flux, he has deceiver on board, he plays twin holding 3 mana open I think for bloodmoon, I choose to counter twin bounce his land instead of just countering with flux, he remands G2. Horrible miss play on my part, Always use the counterflux!

0-2

#4 Vs Mono Blue mill.

Basic race both games, sided in batterskull, on total aggro plan, she has a hard time racing geist, but its close.

2-0


Overall, a 2-2 split isnt horrible.... but I feel the 2 matches I won were total gimmies, which is a bit disappointing. I think that geist isnt great as he seemed to be a go to card to side out, although when he did work, boy did he work. Also thinking that the way I have the deck, which is slightly budget without Arid Mesa and Clique suffers a lot. Really hard to play around bloodmoon as I cant fetch all my basics, worse as I cant clique to get some info and disrupt combo.

I love this deck to death just for how dynamic it can play and take so many different roles, but for what Tarns are going for now I'm leaning towards dumping them for a big chunk of change, finishing off merfolk and coming back the UWr way when fetches are reprinted.


Thoughts?

EDIT: Going to try out the pure control version, out the geists, resto's, in with the verdicts, counterflux, anger, sphinxes, upped the land count to 25/26. We will see how this plays out. I'll keep it updated. Sorry Geist! You still hold a special place in my heart!

Just because you side something out after game 1 does not mean it doesn't belong in the main deck. Sometimes people side in to negate that one threat, sometimes you need that speed game 1 so decide about the impact it makes on future games and what decks you expect game 1 before simply saying you side it out often and maybe it should come out. (:

You make a great point. Even still though its not only that I side it out, its that I wish I had sweepers in place of him. Granted he is an awesome threat, but I think in the current meta its just hard to play the temp game, particularly with the threat of twin turn 3/4. Trust me, he is probably one of my top 3 favorite cards in all of magic so this decision wasn't easy, and he will never be traded away. Who knows maybe one day he will make it back in?

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I'm trying the GP version with the 4x Splicer, 4x Snapcaster, 3x Resto and 2x Geist.
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Sorry but could you share the decklist? Thanks.

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I'm trying the GP version with the 4x Splicer, 4x Snapcaster, 3x Resto and 2x Geist.

Yesterday I've done 2-2 at my FNM. My 2 losses were to Zoo (G1 and 2 turn 4 Thrun) and Scapeshift (G2 and 3 Turn 4 Thrun).

The deck overall feels really solid and after some more playtesting my opinion is that the Splicer is much better positioned than Geist in the current meta, as many has already said.

That's funny, I just came to this thread to talk about this. Here is what I am planning on trying:



Geist is still doing well in my meta, but I think more of a beatdown strategy could be fun. I'm going to try running it next week I think. Boros Charm could be fun. Helps Geist stay alive or just burn. We'll see, I'm not sure how it'll play.

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So I'll do a little tournament report from a gigantic Modern FNM from last night, 45 people!


I love this deck to death just for how dynamic it can play and take so many different roles, but for what Tarns are going for now I'm leaning towards dumping them for a big chunk of change, finishing off merfolk and coming back the UWr way when fetches are reprinted.

Fetches reprint? Did I miss something?

It is going to happen eventually (and hopefully soon).

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Quote from ltj999

So I'll do a little tournament report from a gigantic Modern FNM from last night, 45 people!


I love this deck to death just for how dynamic it can play and take so many different roles, but for what Tarns are going for now I'm leaning towards dumping them for a big chunk of change, finishing off merfolk and coming back the UWr way when fetches are reprinted.

Fetches reprint? Did I miss something?

Rumours that are spreading that can't be verified or proven by anyone. Everyone believes that it will happen due to demand, but no you are not missing anything. There is no confirmed reprinting.

so I played with a full control list today, I like it, much more of a different deck and strategy than I thought, most wins through snapcaster beat down actually. The pure control version is certainly way more stressing to play. Has anyone thought of a hybrid control/temp list with like 1-2 giest, 1 resto, snaps, more counters and maybe even a 1 of sphinx revelation?

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so I played with a full control list today, I like it, much more of a different deck and strategy than I thought, most wins through snapcaster beat down actually. The pure control version is certainly way more stressing to play. Has anyone thought of a hybrid control/temp list with like 1-2 giest, 1 resto, snaps, more counters and maybe even a 1 of sphinx revelation?

I won my match 2 of the first game with Snapcaster hitting the red zone....

That hybrid still seems way more control. If i were going to run Geist and Resto I am going to want to see them at some point, so I would not run a one of. Those would be spots for better control cards, be it removal/counters/gideon or Ajani. I want to run Rev but honestly I am pretty nervous to tap out for it. A one of would be nice though and something I might add. You just have to time it right I guess.

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so I played with a full control list today, I like it, much more of a different deck and strategy than I thought, most wins through snapcaster beat down actually. The pure control version is certainly way more stressing to play. Has anyone thought of a hybrid control/temp list with like 1-2 giest, 1 resto, snaps, more counters and maybe even a 1 of sphinx revelation?

I do. Often. But I use 2- 3 geist or restoration no less, it will just not come up if you have one.Same goes for the sphinx, you need two.

It works really well because you don't rely on the strategy but you can top deck it and not be disappointed.

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yesterday i played against a tribal zoo deck and i realized once more how geist os bad in this meta. my opponent lands a geist and i enchant his goyf with threads of disloyalty, then i play a snap caster and i just beat down with his goyf keeping caster as a blocker. how couldn't do nothing and that's how i feel when i play GoST most of the times. i will try to take him out for another clique, another resto, and maybe another snare.

I'm telling you, flash version is the way to go! Maybe even with Blade Splicer if you so desire.

Can you both post your lists? Honestly the only times I wish I had Geist was vs some combo where I wanted to put on pressure a little earlier. But that being said vs combo the matchup is pretty good, I'm running a 2/2 cryptic counter flux split and absolutely loving it. Might even swap out the 4th leak for a 3rd counter flux. With combo running around so much it made storm go from really hard to an easy win.