I am kind f sad that this deck is getting less popular tournaments. What counters this deck most of all? It definitely shot up in playability for a while but it has gone down. What does everyone think?
Got my butt handed to me by Grixis control, and more people have been playing that lately. Also Geist is making a resurgence in a lot of areas and the Nahiri list does not pair up well with Jeskai Flash unless you are mainboarding a few Verdicts (which I do).
I think an adjustment to more boardwipes and lots of Rest in Peace's will be just fine moving forward.
I have personally been on Grixis Delver the last two weeks because it has better matchups in my local meta.
I ended up beating Grixis Control on the weekend. I mean maybe he just drew bad game 3 and then made a risky play by playing a fulminator mage and I was able to punish him with remand and then tap out into an eslpeth into his one open mana (I was far ahead on lands, he was stuck on 4 and I was able to draw into my 6th for my elspeth off my remand)
who is favoured in the Grixis control matchup?
are we favoured vs abzan coco decks? I played a bunch of games vs it and just couldn't seem to win. are many of the decks running spike feeder archangel combo now?
I am 1-1 against Grixis Control, but the guy I beat is a worse player than the guy who beat me. The one that I lost to was the 'Blue Jund' style deck with Thing in the Ice as well and he just had too much value for me to deal with. The guy I beat was on the Grixis Control list that is pretty popular, with Cryptics and the like.
I am kind f sad that this deck is getting less popular tournaments. What counters this deck most of all? It definitely shot up in playability for a while but it has gone down. What does everyone think?
Got my butt handed to me by Grixis control, and more people have been playing that lately. Also Geist is making a resurgence in a lot of areas and the Nahiri list does not pair up well with Jeskai Flash unless you are mainboarding a few Verdicts (which I do).
I think an adjustment to more boardwipes and lots of Rest in Peace's will be just fine moving forward.
I have personally been on Grixis Delver the last two weeks because it has better matchups in my local meta.
I ended up beating Grixis Control on the weekend. I mean maybe he just drew bad game 3 and then made a risky play by playing a fulminator mage and I was able to punish him with remand and then tap out into an eslpeth into his one open mana (I was far ahead on lands, he was stuck on 4 and I was able to draw into my 6th for my elspeth off my remand)
who is favoured in the Grixis control matchup?
are we favoured vs abzan coco decks? I played a bunch of games vs it and just couldn't seem to win. are many of the decks running spike feeder archangel combo now?
I am 1-1 against Grixis Control, but the guy I beat is a worse player than the guy who beat me. The one that I lost to was the 'Blue Jund' style deck with Thing in the Ice as well and he just had too much value for me to deal with. The guy I beat was on the Grixis Control list that is pretty popular, with Cryptics and the like.
I've only been on Jeskai Nahiri for maybe a month now so maybe I just haven't played it enough. The guy I beat is a MUCH better player than I am and I believe is a gold level pro, or at least regularly plays on the PT. He was playing the more controlling list with cryptics and Tasigur
Early on, some people suggested they were bad. It was a pretty back-and-forth discussion. Some were for them. Others were against. Most switched over to the VoteYay camp, once they actually tried out the fastlands.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
having to fetch into a shock is painful, so running fastlands will be sweet
I've been on this primer for a long time now reading all the posts and talks about fastlands being bad but you really got the point.
Who said fast lands were bad?
1. By the time they were released the majority here wasn't quite amazed about them though a few replaced their Sulfur Falls with 2 SpCa.
2. I didn't see any decklist playing more than 2/3 Fastlands yet which is totally surprising me as I had a tremendous time playing them over the last weeks and will take them to MKM Series in Prag at the end of November.
You are surprised people are only running 3 fastlands but we are also running 3 Celestial colonnades. You have to balance tap lands. If the deck didn't run manlands I would run 5-6 fastlands.
I don't think I like sideboarding Remand out against Dredge. It's phenomenal value when it counters a Cathartic Reunion or a flashbacked Conflagrate/Faithless Looting. This isn't precisely an apples-to-apples comparison, but as Merfolk, I'm sideboarding it IN against Dredge. Sweepers are obviously your best weapon if you have them, but I wouldn't underestimate the power of Remand against them.
As for who's favored in Grixis vs. Jeskai... honestly, I have no idea. I'll let others weigh in on that.
Wait, what? Remand is terrible against Reunion. They get to discard 4 cards! You need to Mana Leak or Spell Snare it so they don't get so much value. Dredge WANTS you to Remand Reunion.
I don't think I like sideboarding Remand out against Dredge. It's phenomenal value when it counters a Cathartic Reunion or a flashbacked Conflagrate/Faithless Looting. This isn't precisely an apples-to-apples comparison, but as Merfolk, I'm sideboarding it IN against Dredge. Sweepers are obviously your best weapon if you have them, but I wouldn't underestimate the power of Remand against them.
As for who's favored in Grixis vs. Jeskai... honestly, I have no idea. I'll let others weigh in on that.
Wait, what? Remand is terrible against Reunion. They get to discard 4 cards! You need to Mana Leak or Spell Snare it so they don't get so much value. Dredge WANTS you to Remand Reunion.
I guess so. It does buy you time to X-for-1 them with an Anger of the Gods, though. I will definitely try to prioritize catching flashback spells with it going forward.
I feel remand is quite strong against dredge, but you definitely don't want to hit reunion if you can help it.
Being able to hit flashbacked spells, life from the loams, brutalities, etc, and keep drawing cards until you find your actual hate cards is good.
On the dispel note, I haven't been playing nahiri much recently (and thus missed the end of the dredge and co. popularity spike), but I've played a dispel main and quite liked it.
I did play AVs sideboard, which opened up a lot of room, however.
Grixis control varies a lot between lists and you should pay attention to all the cards you see game 1:
-Count the number of graveyard-related cards you see: Jace Vryn's Prodigy, Gurmag Angler and especially Thought Scour are all good indicators of a very graveyard dependant list and you can bring in RIP against these. Snap/Kolaghan/Tasigur are ran in every list and don't tell much
-How agressive are their threats: some lists run 2x Tasigur, 4x Snap and maybe a Kalitas or two, some lists run more creatures like Gurmag Angler, Thing in the Ice and Young Pyromancer. Depending on those decide whether you are the aggro or the control in the matchup to see whether you want to bring in Geist or not. If you see very few creatures you can shave 1-2 Paths and bring in geist, if you see pyromancer you want to bring in wraths and leave geist out.
-If you see Inquisition of Kozilek they're probably more aggressive, if they run AV they're obviously slower. You can outgrind the aggressive decks
-They have no lifegain so if their list permits it (fewer creatures) it can be a good idea to be very aggressive with your burnspells and snapcasters
From my personal experience, I see a lot of grixis lists that try to be inbetween control and midrange, and these are easy to beat as they have no concise gameplan. Versions that go more all-in on a strategy (control with AV on one end, "blue jund" on the other) are tougher but still somewhat in our favour.
Bant Eldrazi is unfavourable but close if you know how to use your removal
-don't Path/bolt Matter Reshaper on sight earlygame, the ramp is really relevant. Sometimes you have to, but it's often correct to just get hit for 3 for a turn or two so you can Anger of the Gods or exile it with Nahiri
-using Nahiri as a removal spell is very good here
-countermagic is very strong in this matchup, so even though they run 4x Cavern of Souls, you should leave some number in. Remand cantrips even if the spell is uncounterable, you should cash in Mana Leak against basically any spell
-bolt the T1 dork over everything, even if you miss out on suspending AV
-Vendilion Clique is probably the best card in the deck against them
-Engineered Explosives comes in to deal with Grafcage, Pithing Needle and Scions
-don't bother with Crumble to Dust, once you get to the mana to cast it its importance has already really gone down
Tron is just a bad MU and I kind of feel you have to either board against tron OR dredge and give up on the other. You just basically never let them resolve a spell or lose.
I always bring in one copy of Stony Silence against them. It's not THAT important to shut off vial but shutting off Relic is nice and Stony tends to be better than countermagic against them.
If you're bringing in a card like stony silence to combat a deck that wants to win by playing a critical mass of non-artifact creatures, you're not going to be interacting with them on a favorable axis.
Every time someone has cast a stony silence, or an ancient grudge, or what have you on my aether vial, I've always been happy.
Being able to remand or spell snare or mana leak something even some of the time is much stronger than siding in a sorcery speed card that is going to be mediocre at best, and useless at worst.
If you're playing anger of the gods, being able to leak/snare their spreading seas is key.
Being able to counter sideboard cards of theirs (especially since they're likely to board in dispel/negate/unified wills) is better than playing stony silence.
On top of that, kira is rarely going to be uncounterable, as they won't often bring vial up to 3, and they rarely name spirit with cavern.
On top of that, they won't always be casting every creature they have uncounterably, and if thats not enough, they certainly won't always have/be relying on aether vial.
While turning off relic is alright, stony silence does nothing to grafdigger's cage.
The only time I would even consider bringing in stony silence is if you are dead certain they have multiple copies of relic and multiple copies of spellskite.
I agree with most of what you said although I do still like bringing in one Stony. I actually have very little to bring in against merfolk, especially with Wraths mainboarded right now. Spell Snare stays in, but I'm not a fan of Remand against them and often shave a copy of Mana Leak.
Right now I see many Merfolk lists run the full playset of Relics because of how poor their dredge MU is, which I think all come in against us as well. Turning 6-8 cards into bricks seems worth a single card to me.
I went to a Face to Face Open a few weekends ago and played a merfolk player with MB relics, which really hurt me. Remand feels so bad against merfolk as well. I'm running 2 mb verdicts right now which is really good.
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I am 1-1 against Grixis Control, but the guy I beat is a worse player than the guy who beat me. The one that I lost to was the 'Blue Jund' style deck with Thing in the Ice as well and he just had too much value for me to deal with. The guy I beat was on the Grixis Control list that is pretty popular, with Cryptics and the like.
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StaffI've only been on Jeskai Nahiri for maybe a month now so maybe I just haven't played it enough. The guy I beat is a MUCH better player than I am and I believe is a gold level pro, or at least regularly plays on the PT. He was playing the more controlling list with cryptics and Tasigur
Who said fast lands were bad?
Early on, some people suggested they were bad. It was a pretty back-and-forth discussion. Some were for them. Others were against. Most switched over to the VoteYay camp, once they actually tried out the fastlands.
You are surprised people are only running 3 fastlands but we are also running 3 Celestial colonnades. You have to balance tap lands. If the deck didn't run manlands I would run 5-6 fastlands.
Wait, what? Remand is terrible against Reunion. They get to discard 4 cards! You need to Mana Leak or Spell Snare it so they don't get so much value. Dredge WANTS you to Remand Reunion.
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I guess so. It does buy you time to X-for-1 them with an Anger of the Gods, though. I will definitely try to prioritize catching flashback spells with it going forward.
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Being able to hit flashbacked spells, life from the loams, brutalities, etc, and keep drawing cards until you find your actual hate cards is good.
On the dispel note, I haven't been playing nahiri much recently (and thus missed the end of the dredge and co. popularity spike), but I've played a dispel main and quite liked it.
I did play AVs sideboard, which opened up a lot of room, however.
Usually whoever draws more pure card advantage or starts swinging with their creature land first.
-Count the number of graveyard-related cards you see: Jace Vryn's Prodigy, Gurmag Angler and especially Thought Scour are all good indicators of a very graveyard dependant list and you can bring in RIP against these. Snap/Kolaghan/Tasigur are ran in every list and don't tell much
-How agressive are their threats: some lists run 2x Tasigur, 4x Snap and maybe a Kalitas or two, some lists run more creatures like Gurmag Angler, Thing in the Ice and Young Pyromancer. Depending on those decide whether you are the aggro or the control in the matchup to see whether you want to bring in Geist or not. If you see very few creatures you can shave 1-2 Paths and bring in geist, if you see pyromancer you want to bring in wraths and leave geist out.
-If you see Inquisition of Kozilek they're probably more aggressive, if they run AV they're obviously slower. You can outgrind the aggressive decks
-They have no lifegain so if their list permits it (fewer creatures) it can be a good idea to be very aggressive with your burnspells and snapcasters
From my personal experience, I see a lot of grixis lists that try to be inbetween control and midrange, and these are easy to beat as they have no concise gameplan. Versions that go more all-in on a strategy (control with AV on one end, "blue jund" on the other) are tougher but still somewhat in our favour.
Bant Eldrazi is unfavourable but close if you know how to use your removal
-don't Path/bolt Matter Reshaper on sight earlygame, the ramp is really relevant. Sometimes you have to, but it's often correct to just get hit for 3 for a turn or two so you can Anger of the Gods or exile it with Nahiri
-using Nahiri as a removal spell is very good here
-countermagic is very strong in this matchup, so even though they run 4x Cavern of Souls, you should leave some number in. Remand cantrips even if the spell is uncounterable, you should cash in Mana Leak against basically any spell
-bolt the T1 dork over everything, even if you miss out on suspending AV
-Vendilion Clique is probably the best card in the deck against them
-Engineered Explosives comes in to deal with Grafcage, Pithing Needle and Scions
-don't bother with Crumble to Dust, once you get to the mana to cast it its importance has already really gone down
Tron is just a bad MU and I kind of feel you have to either board against tron OR dredge and give up on the other. You just basically never let them resolve a spell or lose.
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StaffEvery time someone has cast a stony silence, or an ancient grudge, or what have you on my aether vial, I've always been happy.
Being able to remand or spell snare or mana leak something even some of the time is much stronger than siding in a sorcery speed card that is going to be mediocre at best, and useless at worst.
If you're playing anger of the gods, being able to leak/snare their spreading seas is key.
Being able to counter sideboard cards of theirs (especially since they're likely to board in dispel/negate/unified wills) is better than playing stony silence.
On top of that, kira is rarely going to be uncounterable, as they won't often bring vial up to 3, and they rarely name spirit with cavern.
On top of that, they won't always be casting every creature they have uncounterably, and if thats not enough, they certainly won't always have/be relying on aether vial.
While turning off relic is alright, stony silence does nothing to grafdigger's cage.
The only time I would even consider bringing in stony silence is if you are dead certain they have multiple copies of relic and multiple copies of spellskite.
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StaffI agree with most of what you said although I do still like bringing in one Stony. I actually have very little to bring in against merfolk, especially with Wraths mainboarded right now. Spell Snare stays in, but I'm not a fan of Remand against them and often shave a copy of Mana Leak.
Right now I see many Merfolk lists run the full playset of Relics because of how poor their dredge MU is, which I think all come in against us as well. Turning 6-8 cards into bricks seems worth a single card to me.
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