Anyone on Dragon Skred recently? I haven't seen anyone talking about it lately.
Hi first post on skred, but always a reader. I only played 2 events with dragon skred and i liked it a lot. Most of the time when noting the cards or deciding to keep a hand it just seems a pile of casual dragons + bloodmoon but, for a reason i do not know, tapping 4/5 lands for dragons gets out of control quickly.
I played an endyear tourney of 35 ppl and made top 4, and recently made a 3-1 at FNM
This is the stock list i was running (for the fnm i changed the draconic roars for 2 abrades, 1 dismember and the 3rd anger)
Overall i only lost to Bogles and grixis death shadow (beat hardened scales, mono r pheonix, dredge, ub mill, scapeshift and izzet control)
I don't think sarkhan is that bad as ppl say. Looting in this kind of deck is awesome and getting hasty dragons earlier is where i want to be.
I guess that simian spirit guides are more crucial to this build since you want to soft lock with moon, to safely reach 4/5 mana, or get a sarkhan t2 to start deplying dragons as early as t3 (so i want to make room for at least 3).
On note for thundermaw hellkite: is a funny single that actually won me a match against dredge tapping the flyers for letal. Otherwise 5 mana 5 to the face, no one expects that.
My 2 cents and i'll report if i have succes testing other options !
I have a good friend of mine who plays a lot of Dragon Skred, and he's a huge proponent of Heart of Kiran in the deck. Turns out, it's a great combination with Sarkhan for few reasons. The first is you never really get to ult Sarkhan anyway. You're not playing to it and usually his plus abilities are better anyway. With that in mind, you can afford to get some extra value out of his counter by crewing a Serra Angel. Secondly, if your opponent attempts to kill Sarkhan with an attack, he's probably dying even if you could block. In that case, why not spend the counter to eat an attacker? I highly recommend you try it. I personally have no experience with the card, but I trust my friend enough to say you should give it a shot.
On a separate note, I have been given control of the Skred primer! I'm going to make a new one because a lot has happened since 2016.
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I have a good friend of mine who plays a lot of Dragon Skred, and he's a huge proponent of Heart of Kiran in the deck. Turns out, it's a great combination with Sarkhan for few reasons. The first is you never really get to ult Sarkhan anyway. You're not playing to it and usually his plus abilities are better anyway. With that in mind, you can afford to get some extra value out of his counter by crewing a Serra Angel. Secondly, if your opponent attempts to kill Sarkhan with an attack, he's probably dying even if you could block. In that case, why not spend the counter to eat an attacker? I highly recommend you try it. I personally have no experience with the card, but I trust my friend enough to say you should give it a shot.
On a separate note, I have been given control of the Skred primer! I'm going to make a new one because a lot has happened since 2016.
Without a list Heart of Kiran looks very bad, using dragons to crew seems bad so the only option is to use planeswalkers which is also kinda bad - requiring a walker to work makes it combo, combo payoff is 4/4 flyer? meh
Theorically Heart of Kiran is good enough because you can do t2 heart, t3 sarkhan, ping for 4 and still be able to block (your clock speeds up a lot). But im not sold on it either. Is a good combination and applies early pressure but if we don't have a walker is a terrible topdeck. The thing is that we want at least 1 as early as t2 but not more than 1 on the rest of the game. It would be awesome if we could get a 4/4 dragon for 1 or 2 mana a la Slumbering dragon to crew it early
Heart of Kiran is an interesting choice - it's definitely strong in an aggro meta. It favorably blocks Phoenixes, anything in Burn, anything in Dredge, dodges a Thing in the Ice flip activation to at least chump, doesn't die to Bolt, and is a clock on its own. Definitely works well with Sarkhan in the Dragon build. To Timba's point though, I can see crewing it being awkward at times.
I tried it in a more traditional Skred list some time last year and it had some nice lines.
Turn 2 Heart
Turn 3 Eternal Scourge + crew = swing for 4
Turn 4 Koth + animate mountain + crew with loyalty + attack with all = swing for 11, 15 total
It's a lot of damage for Skred to deal that fast, but ultimately it wasn't better than Mind Stone or extra removal in a traditional list.
I have just built a Skred Dragons (is there an official name for it?) and was wondering, what are the favorable matchups for it? Which ones are the toughest ones? It is my first time build a Skred deck of any kind, but I am simply a sucker for the Dragon theme.
I havent had any experience attempting dragon skred. But the problem I see with it from the beginning is I dont think it improves our odds against much of anything we are having troubles with. In dragon skred the fastest clock you can land is t 4. Koth/chandra is often still the best wincon, the dragons do most certainly help there but often its the ult that can get us through in the tricky matches.Were downgrading our great walkers for one who on his is own is just not good. He doesn't speed the clock the turn he drops and he cannot defend himself. Tossing heart of kiran in the ring to make up for this is just taking up extra slots, to do things our other walkers just do better. And Sarkhan is interesting and dragon skred seems really fun because who doesnt like smashing people with dragons. But im not sure there is much of a reason to convert other then fun. Traditional skred is still probably better in combo and control with a little bit harder hate in the side and the walker ultimate win cons.
If there is a time for heart of kiran the time to try him is now. Stony Silence is at a low but remember when that is back in the meta the crew is shut off and that card will be completely dead. So experiment now boys and girls and give us the results! but im not sure its better then anything were doing. It has a high ceiling but a pretty dang low floor.
Thundermaw hellkite in dragon or traditional skred is also near the point where he can probably be considered into making into 75s. Stormy b is still the main man and glorybringer is a nice complimentary piece. But the flying threats may be getting dense enough that the hellkite is worth it. But generally we dont struggle against the decks that go wide with creatures. He is really the biggest body we have access to as well as far as base stats.
Good luck out there Dragon Skredders!
However I am noticing a trend in having difficulty with toughness 4+. It seems to be creeping up. We struggle with shadow, a flipped thing,tron creatures, big goyfs or trackers, tasi, gurmag,big bogles,infect pumps hollow one, big humans or spirits, the baneslayer angel that comes in the side of the uw match. Dragon skred does seem to have a little more substance for that sort of fight that is a little bit of a struggle. Skred just had a really nice window in the meta that may be closing on us a little bit right now. We can still put up wins but as far as consistently beating a lot of tier 1 without dropping games to boggles letting a pheonix game slip, randomly facing add naus or dropping an unlucky game to tron. Control isnt always perfect. We can get wins in a lot of those matches but getting a 5-0 run seems hard at the moment. Ive turned in some 4-1s recently in comp leagues but my results can be streaky. Anyone noticing the toughness 4 trend? Is dragon skred doing better against these creatures or these decks? I am not sure without playing but I would imagine its not improving that problem all that much.
I've found that the flex slots in the dragon lists (through lack of Relics and mind stones) can be filled by Flame Slash, Roast and Abrade to help with tougher creatures. I've done 2/1/1 respectively and have done well but I haven't played a dragon version in 2 months or so.
Would you be able to post your current list? (or whatever is closest to your 4-1 runs?). My lists are currently a tossup at the moment, going back and forth between Mind Stones and Magma Jets, Glorybringer vs Stormbreath and whether or not Eternal Scourge is worth it.
The short answer is Dragon Skred is different from traditional Skred. They want to do different things, and saying one is bad in comparison to the other is grossly misrepresenting the archetypes. I'll cover more on it in the new primer, but needless to say, Dragon Skred is a lot different and plays a lot differently.
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Ive been having reasonable success with list similar to this, and what Ive had the few recent 4-1s with. I understand there is a major difference between the two. One if creature aggro and one is control. They play different and try and do different things. What are the matches that are improved by playing dragons skred?. I dont think dragon skred is bad I just dont think its better then traditional skred. Outside of Dragon skred Sarkhan IS a bad planeswalker. He cannot defend himself or advance play the turn he comes down unless its late in the game where you dont need the mana for dragons anyway. Stand alone he isnt good, in dragon skred he is a very good engine. Cavalry that list above does look like a pretty dang strong aggro punch. But it has less hate towards graveyard decks, less action v linear decks, and combo.How does it do v early go wide strategy decks? I would love to here more about the comparisons but more specifically on the matches that get worse or better? Again I do not play Dragon skred as I have been on the OG path for years.There has just not been enough to make me think its time to convert! Sounds like Cavalry is the guy for dragon skred! Im looking forward to the primer! Your always keeping it insightful, thanks for giving us the update on the primer!
* again im struggling with toughness four and up as it creeps up in the meta with traditional skred. Having bodies to fight the bigger goons seems to be better in dragon skred. But my concern would be you dont land enough of them fast enough to put up that fight. Are you stabilizing better v pheonix?, are you putting up a fight v shadows and gurmags? Are you able to fight big bogles or do we still need to get lucky on the t3 sweeper? I deff see where heart of Kiran dropping early can give you defensive/offensive firepower against these bad boys and can help double up to threaten off attacks.
so cav maybe you can put that in the primer? The decks that we are strong against and the decks that we struggle against. And maybe the differences in those between the two decks?
I checked mtggoldfish statistics and it actually showed more Dragons finishes than Classic Skred over the last year
Recent Dragons lists gravitate towards including Simian Spirit Guide and not including Draconic Roar and Heart of Kiran
Also Thunderbreak Regent is often substituted for Verix Bladewing
I think this makes a lot of sense, SSG enables t2 Blood Moon and t2 Sarkhan t3 5mana dragon
Draconic Roar looked bad to me from start, Dragons dont care much about 3 toughness creatures and thats a not a very aggressive deck like Burn
I like Verix Bladewing more too, 3 damage isnt much if you have no dragon but mana sink and card advantage are nice
Does this guy make the 2 drop spot finnaly have something worthwhile, and in the late game is able to cast any of our bolts?
I don't think there is enough payoff.Maybe if you also run Flame Slash, or if you run a version with Batterskull or other equipment.Else it is just a 1/3 that is easy to remove without leaving value.
What to cut for it is another question.
I don't think that this is playable for us, but if they keep experimenting with this type of effect we're going to see a playable one soon. It's only a matter of time.
This card is exactly what we want. While it's a little slow, a 5/4 with trample that gives us ways to get value from our dead cards without requiring us to have little to no cards in hand like Hazoret the Fervent is amazing. We struggle with having dead cards. Neheb directly fixes that. I could write a lot about what this card can do for us, but needless to say, I'm picking these up as soon as I can.
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Neheb (and to me the new karn) can be nice new cards to toy around on traditional builds (sadly no new stuff for dragons)
Regarding skred in general. I've been struggling against grixis shadow lately...I just don't figure out how to win besides blood moon t2 or getting lucky enough. What's the general view of the match up?
On another note, I have finished white bordering all my mountains and i wanted to share it with you. If moon tilts our opponents, moon + white border lands gotta be even better haha.
incoming... Seasoned Pyromancer umm...this might be a godsend in red for us to help us filter lands and discard eternal scourges that we can exile with relic and Squee, the immortal which we can cast from our graveyard...
I played an endyear tourney of 35 ppl and made top 4, and recently made a 3-1 at FNM
This is the stock list i was running (for the fnm i changed the draconic roars for 2 abrades, 1 dismember and the 3rd anger)
4x Skred
3x Ratchet Bomb
4x draconic Roar
4x Blood Moon
2x Anger of the Gods
4x Sarkhan, Fireblood
4x Thunderbreak Regent
3x Glorybringer
2x Stormbreath Dragon
1x Thundermaw Hellkite
21x Snow-Covered Mountain
2x Scrying Sheets
3x Leyline of the Void
3x Shattering Spree
2x Damping sphere
2x Dragon's Claw
1x Alpine Moon
1x Grafdigger's Cage
3x Molten Rain
I don't think sarkhan is that bad as ppl say. Looting in this kind of deck is awesome and getting hasty dragons earlier is where i want to be.
I guess that simian spirit guides are more crucial to this build since you want to soft lock with moon, to safely reach 4/5 mana, or get a sarkhan t2 to start deplying dragons as early as t3 (so i want to make room for at least 3).
On note for thundermaw hellkite: is a funny single that actually won me a match against dredge tapping the flyers for letal. Otherwise 5 mana 5 to the face, no one expects that.
My 2 cents and i'll report if i have succes testing other options !
On a separate note, I have been given control of the Skred primer! I'm going to make a new one because a lot has happened since 2016.
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I tried it in a more traditional Skred list some time last year and it had some nice lines.
Turn 2 Heart
Turn 3 Eternal Scourge + crew = swing for 4
Turn 4 Koth + animate mountain + crew with loyalty + attack with all = swing for 11, 15 total
It's a lot of damage for Skred to deal that fast, but ultimately it wasn't better than Mind Stone or extra removal in a traditional list.
1 Scrying Sheets
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Skred
2 Abrade
3 Heart of Kiran
3 Blood Moon
3 Anger of the Gods
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Sarkhan, Fireblood
3 Koth of the Hammer
4 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Glorybringer
2 Damping Sphere
2 Legion Warboss
3 Dragon's Claw
2 Pithing Needle
2 Molten Rain
1 Experimental Frenzy
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Thundermaw Hellkite
If there is a time for heart of kiran the time to try him is now. Stony Silence is at a low but remember when that is back in the meta the crew is shut off and that card will be completely dead. So experiment now boys and girls and give us the results! but im not sure its better then anything were doing. It has a high ceiling but a pretty dang low floor.
Thundermaw hellkite in dragon or traditional skred is also near the point where he can probably be considered into making into 75s. Stormy b is still the main man and glorybringer is a nice complimentary piece. But the flying threats may be getting dense enough that the hellkite is worth it. But generally we dont struggle against the decks that go wide with creatures. He is really the biggest body we have access to as well as far as base stats.
Good luck out there Dragon Skredders!
However I am noticing a trend in having difficulty with toughness 4+. It seems to be creeping up. We struggle with shadow, a flipped thing,tron creatures, big goyfs or trackers, tasi, gurmag,big bogles,infect pumps hollow one, big humans or spirits, the baneslayer angel that comes in the side of the uw match. Dragon skred does seem to have a little more substance for that sort of fight that is a little bit of a struggle. Skred just had a really nice window in the meta that may be closing on us a little bit right now. We can still put up wins but as far as consistently beating a lot of tier 1 without dropping games to boggles letting a pheonix game slip, randomly facing add naus or dropping an unlucky game to tron. Control isnt always perfect. We can get wins in a lot of those matches but getting a 5-0 run seems hard at the moment. Ive turned in some 4-1s recently in comp leagues but my results can be streaky. Anyone noticing the toughness 4 trend? Is dragon skred doing better against these creatures or these decks? I am not sure without playing but I would imagine its not improving that problem all that much.
Would you be able to post your current list? (or whatever is closest to your 4-1 runs?). My lists are currently a tossup at the moment, going back and forth between Mind Stones and Magma Jets, Glorybringer vs Stormbreath and whether or not Eternal Scourge is worth it.
1x mouth of ronom
3x Scrying Sheets
18x Snow-Covered Mountain
Creature (6)
1x Glorybringer
1x Hazoret the Fervent
2x Squee, the Immortal
2x Stormbreath Dragon
Sorcery (5)
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Sweltering Suns
Planeswalker (8)
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
2x Karn, Scion of Urza
4x Koth of the Hammer
Instant (8)
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
Artifact (8)
4x Mind Stone
4x Relic of Progenitus
Enchantment (3)
3x Blood Moon
Sideboard (15)
1x Combust
3x Damping Sphere
3x Dragon's Claw
2x Goblin Rabblemaster
1x abrade
1x shattering spree
3x Molten Rain
1x Sorcerous Spyglass
Ive been having reasonable success with list similar to this, and what Ive had the few recent 4-1s with. I understand there is a major difference between the two. One if creature aggro and one is control. They play different and try and do different things. What are the matches that are improved by playing dragons skred?. I dont think dragon skred is bad I just dont think its better then traditional skred. Outside of Dragon skred Sarkhan IS a bad planeswalker. He cannot defend himself or advance play the turn he comes down unless its late in the game where you dont need the mana for dragons anyway. Stand alone he isnt good, in dragon skred he is a very good engine. Cavalry that list above does look like a pretty dang strong aggro punch. But it has less hate towards graveyard decks, less action v linear decks, and combo.How does it do v early go wide strategy decks? I would love to here more about the comparisons but more specifically on the matches that get worse or better? Again I do not play Dragon skred as I have been on the OG path for years.There has just not been enough to make me think its time to convert! Sounds like Cavalry is the guy for dragon skred! Im looking forward to the primer! Your always keeping it insightful, thanks for giving us the update on the primer!
* again im struggling with toughness four and up as it creeps up in the meta with traditional skred. Having bodies to fight the bigger goons seems to be better in dragon skred. But my concern would be you dont land enough of them fast enough to put up that fight. Are you stabilizing better v pheonix?, are you putting up a fight v shadows and gurmags? Are you able to fight big bogles or do we still need to get lucky on the t3 sweeper? I deff see where heart of Kiran dropping early can give you defensive/offensive firepower against these bad boys and can help double up to threaten off attacks.
so cav maybe you can put that in the primer? The decks that we are strong against and the decks that we struggle against. And maybe the differences in those between the two decks?
Recent Dragons lists gravitate towards including Simian Spirit Guide and not including Draconic Roar and Heart of Kiran
Also Thunderbreak Regent is often substituted for Verix Bladewing
I think this makes a lot of sense, SSG enables t2 Blood Moon and t2 Sarkhan t3 5mana dragon
Draconic Roar looked bad to me from start, Dragons dont care much about 3 toughness creatures and thats a not a very aggressive deck like Burn
I like Verix Bladewing more too, 3 damage isnt much if you have no dragon but mana sink and card advantage are nice
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
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Does this guy make the 2 drop spot finnaly have something worthwhile, and in the late game is able to cast any of our bolts?
I don't think there is enough payoff.Maybe if you also run Flame Slash, or if you run a version with Batterskull or other equipment.Else it is just a 1/3 that is easy to remove without leaving value.
What to cut for it is another question.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion, however. Hoo boy.
This card is exactly what we want. While it's a little slow, a 5/4 with trample that gives us ways to get value from our dead cards without requiring us to have little to no cards in hand like Hazoret the Fervent is amazing. We struggle with having dead cards. Neheb directly fixes that. I could write a lot about what this card can do for us, but needless to say, I'm picking these up as soon as I can.
But his abilities sound good and demand testing
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
Regarding skred in general. I've been struggling against grixis shadow lately...I just don't figure out how to win besides blood moon t2 or getting lucky enough. What's the general view of the match up?
On another note, I have finished white bordering all my mountains and i wanted to share it with you. If moon tilts our opponents, moon + white border lands gotta be even better haha.