The deck is still a big work in progress, especially the sideboard. I don't think I need the leylines, but they're pretty nice. I don't think I need the 3 rabble, 3 simian package anymore now that I have access to decent white sb cards against combo decks.
I played the deck a bit more today, and the best way to describe Nahiri is that she plays like Chandra Pyromaster, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
Hello,i have put together most of the deck but I don't have emrakul,how important is it?
I do have stormbreath,nahiri,ggd and P&N but I'm torn as too what is best.I also have a few bridges if that helps.
I also only have a single moon but I'm using two magus' with it as replacements for now.
I see some list running 2-4 sheets,what is the reason for the variance?
Is it more powerful if it's kept mono red?
Thanks
Emrakul is very important to the nahiri combo, but sundering titan(2/3 triggers!), blightsteel colossus, or even inferno titan(3 dmg on etb, 3 dmg on swing with haste, and then pump with rest of mana) can work as a bad temporary replacement. The problem is that they can get hit by removal, unlike Emrakul. And if you draw them, the combo is dead too, unlike Emrakul. If you get lucky, the opponent might just scoop after you -8 and not even have to reveal emrakul.
All the lists are pretty good, except for the demigod of revenge list. The deck is definitely more powerful with splash (of any color), but the main appeal of the deck is that it's the most powerful mono red deck in the format, and that's a good enough reason to not splash.
People used to run 2 scrying sheets, but then we started running 3 because it's that good, and partly because we stopped running boros reckoners in a lot of lists. adonis2k started running 4 in artifact heavy lists, and honestly they're good enough to run as 4-ofs, if your manabase can support it.
In my experience: if you run Reckoners, you need at least 22 SC Mountains, or SC 21 Mountains with Magma Jets/Relics. If you don't run Reckoners, you only need 19-20. The balance of lands should include as many Scrying Sheets as is feasible.
I still dont know why people is against Boros Reckoner. Easy to removal and not a fast creature, ok. But what against decks that run bolts? Reckoner won 2 out of 4 matches for me against a grixis control a few days ago (the other 2 matches were won by relic), we can skred them for final damage against fast matchups, and combined with burn and some help, he can damage out eldrazi decks.
Yeah, P&KN, Stormbreath, etc are most powerful, but we need something to cast at turn 3 other than blood moon. We are too slow for the meta if we start playing at turn 4. Eternal scourge can be the only other 3-drop atm, but loses aggro. And we want aggro.
eternal scourge should be either 2 or 4 imo if u even want to go that route
4 lets you do the surgical extraction super team otherwise no need to have a bunch because when it comes down to it its just a vanilla 3/3 that we can do some tricks with.
the things we should be focusing on brewing is bedlam reveler
that guy is a house in skred
Eternal pretty much autowins against control, but I think 3 is too many too. I might try out the 1 scourge, 2 reckoner split.
I went 1-3 at GP side event with nahiri skred. I scrubbed out pretty hard, I draw amazingly in bad matchups, and drew terrible in good matchups.
Round 1, I played against grixis delver and nahiri just pretty much solo'd the game by exiling all his threats and throwing emrakul at him. Eternal scourge also did a lot of work.
Round 2, G/R Scapeshift: I had Nahiri ult in game 1, but he summoner's trapped his own emrakul on the field and we traded. I ended up losing to prime time in that game and the next.
Round 3, Death and Taxes: I drew terribly, a single sweeper would have won any of the games we played easily, but didn't see them in all 3 rounds. Burrenton Forge-Tender blew me out.
Round 4, White Weenies: I win G1 with Nahiri, games 2 and 3, I draw nothing but sweepers, spot removal, and lands for like 8 turns and end up getting out valued by cards like voice of resurgence, kitchen finks, and blade splicer.
I played a few other friendly games as well, and I'm cutting the roasts and putting in 2 paths. I'm also probably going to remove another koth and put in something that has good board presence.
curious to see if Eternal Scourge ends up becoming the new 3-drop of choice for skred... its a good argument for playing the full set of relics and works well with Anger... also a pain to deal with for control decks!
For the people experimenting with Nahiri, how many do you run? is it the only white card you splash for, in the mb?
I'm atually thinking of moving back from double-dragons (Strombreath/Thunderbreak) to the Boros Reckoner + stuff way.
But im feared of Boros Reckoner isn't that great anymore if I'm not running Spellskite's with him.
(Played Reckoner for a year, but sometimes couldnt cast him (Scrying Sheets) and Thunderbreak Regent survives Bolt but trades awfully vs Aggro...
Any suggestions?
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I'm atually thinking of moving back from double-dragons (Strombreath/Thunderbreak) to the Boros Reckoner + stuff way.
But im feared of Boros Reckoner isn't that great anymore if I'm not running Spellskite's with him.
(Played Reckoner for a year, but sometimes couldnt cast him (Scrying Sheets) and Thunderbreak Regent survives Bolt but trades awfully vs Aggro...
Any suggestions?
I also had that problem of not being able to cast Reckoner because of Sheets... now i'm testing Eternal Scourge in their spot to see if it's worth it...
I don't think Regent is that bad a card vs aggro, and considering the amount of efficient removal we're packing mainboard, it's not that worrying anyway i think. It definitely helps us more against those decks than Koth by being an actual blocker
Another good card against storm is Ratchet Bomb to kill their pyromancer's ascension.
Mostly though you should be mulliganing until you find a relic, because you're not winning without one no matter what the rest of your hand looks like.
I am One_Man_Party and I have built Skred because ultimately I had blood moons with the amount of red cards I have I built this mono-red devotion deck and with the suggestions of local players told me to run Skred over the devotion deck. Luckily for me, I had built enough store credit at one of the local game stores I was able to not only purchase 22 Snow-Covered Mountain but also at another local game store to have purchased 2 Scrying Sheets. I played the deck on Friday July 29th at FNM with actually moderate success against the following: GR Valakut and Naya Burn that of which the decks I won my matches while the losses were against Taxing Eldrazi and Bant Eldrazi. Now flash forward to this past Monday Night Magic August 1st, I went 3-0-1 where my match wins were against Taxing Eldrazi, Jund, GR Devotion, and my last round opponent was nice enough to intentionally draw so that the prizing was benefited both of us gaining an amount of store credit. The list I am currently running now I called Skred Dragons and here is the list as follows:
running that many 5+ drops with 22 lands only and without mana rocks, seems a bit risky even with SSG i think... it can work out but you might get screwed because of this.
I also like running some number of Pyroclasm in our sweeper slots, because it's very efficient; being able to play a sweeper agaisnt something like affinity or elves a turn earlier can be very important.
I would also try to fit Roast, as a decent way to kill stuff out of bolt range, without having to wait until turn 4+ to kill them with Skred.
The sideboard really depends on what you expect to face, but i have been getting great results with Eidolon of the Great Revel; the card can give an out against decks with better late game by letting us go under, and is usually great against combo in general
running that many 5+ drops with 22 lands only and without mana rocks, seems a bit risky even with SSG i think... it can work out but you might get screwed because of this.
I also like running some number of Pyroclasm in our sweeper slots, because it's very efficient; being able to play a sweeper agaisnt something like affinity or elves a turn earlier can be very important.
I would also try to fit Roast, as a decent way to kill stuff out of bolt range, without having to wait until turn 4+ to kill them with Skred.
The sideboard really depends on what you expect to face, but i have been getting great results with Eidolon of the Great Revel; the card can give an out against decks with better late game by letting us go under, and is usually great against combo in general
@Patrice399, I don't know who's decks you are commenting on but what I do know that the variant of the deck I am running the metas I have been playing as seen in the two tournment reports that elves and affinity where no where to be seen.
@Patrice399, I don't know who's decks you are commenting on but what I do know that the variant of the deck I am running the metas I have been playing as seen in the two tournment reports that elves and affinity where no where to be seen.
running that many 5+ drops with 22 lands only and without mana rocks, seems a bit risky even with SSG i think... it can work out but you might get screwed because of this.
I also like running some number of Pyroclasm in our sweeper slots, because it's very efficient; being able to play a sweeper agaisnt something like affinity or elves a turn earlier can be very important.
I would also try to fit Roast, as a decent way to kill stuff out of bolt range, without having to wait until turn 4+ to kill them with Skred.
The sideboard really depends on what you expect to face, but i have been getting great results with Eidolon of the Great Revel; the card can give an out against decks with better late game by letting us go under, and is usually great against combo in general
Eidolon of the Great Revel - I hate that card and there is just Pyromancer Storm where it would help us, but there I got Relics and Ratchet Bombs and and and... should be fine
Thanks for your Response!
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I am One_Man_Party and I have built Skred because ultimately I had blood moons with the amount of red cards I have I built this mono-red devotion deck and with the suggestions of local players told me to run Skred over the devotion deck. Luckily for me, I had built enough store credit at one of the local game stores I was able to not only purchase 22 Snow-Covered Mountain but also at another local game store to have purchased 2 Scrying Sheets. I played the deck on Friday July 29th at FNM with actually moderate success against the following: GR Valakut and Naya Burn that of which the decks I won my matches while the losses were against Taxing Eldrazi and Bant Eldrazi. Now flash forward to this past Monday Night Magic August 1st, I went 3-0-1 where my match wins were against Taxing Eldrazi, Jund, GR Devotion, and my last round opponent was nice enough to intentionally draw so that the prizing was benefited both of us gaining an amount of store credit. The list I am currently running now I called Skred Dragons and here is the list as follows:
I like how you're playing mostly 4-ofs. Most skred decks end up with a bunch of 1-2 ofs and it makes for wildly inconsistent hands since skred has no filtering or card selection.
I don't understand the borderposts though. Is there any reason to play them instead ofMind Stone? Also I think cutting a mountain and adding another scrying sheets would be a good idea. 24 lands makes flooding out a big risk and the sheets will get you redraws in the late game if there's another land on top of your deck.
Also I don't really like the Leylines in the sideboard, unless there is some rogue deck that's popular in your local meta. You shouldn't care too much about your opponent's life total since you're hitting so hard once a threat is out. Who cares what their life total is when an Inferno Titan is swinging for 12? I think you should replace it with things that are strong in matchups you face locally a lot. Dragon's Claw for burn, Crumble to Dust for Valakut, not sure what is good against Eldrazi decks though. Mizzium Mortars?
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4 Arid Mesa
1 Snow-Covered Plains
2 Scrying Sheets
2 Clifftop Retreats
1 Sacred Foundry
12 Snow-Covered Mountain
Creatures/Planeswalkers
3 Koth of the Hammer
3 Goblin Dark-dwellers
4 Nahiri, the Harbinger
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn
3 Eternal scourge
4 Coldsteel Heart
4 Relic of Progenitus
3 Blood Moon
Instants/Sorceries
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Skred
2 Roast
3 Anger of the Gods
3 Simian Spirit Guide
3 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Pithing Needle
2 Wear // Tear
2 Spellkite
1 Pyroclasm
3 Leyline of Sanctity
The deck is still a big work in progress, especially the sideboard. I don't think I need the leylines, but they're pretty nice. I don't think I need the 3 rabble, 3 simian package anymore now that I have access to decent white sb cards against combo decks.
I played the deck a bit more today, and the best way to describe Nahiri is that she plays like Chandra Pyromaster, but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better
I do have stormbreath,nahiri,ggd and P&N but I'm torn as too what is best.I also have a few bridges if that helps.
I also only have a single moon but I'm using two magus' with it as replacements for now.
I see some list running 2-4 sheets,what is the reason for the variance?
Is it more powerful if it's kept mono red?
Thanks
All the lists are pretty good, except for the demigod of revenge list. The deck is definitely more powerful with splash (of any color), but the main appeal of the deck is that it's the most powerful mono red deck in the format, and that's a good enough reason to not splash.
People used to run 2 scrying sheets, but then we started running 3 because it's that good, and partly because we stopped running boros reckoners in a lot of lists. adonis2k started running 4 in artifact heavy lists, and honestly they're good enough to run as 4-ofs, if your manabase can support it.
Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
Yeah, P&KN, Stormbreath, etc are most powerful, but we need something to cast at turn 3 other than blood moon. We are too slow for the meta if we start playing at turn 4. Eternal scourge can be the only other 3-drop atm, but loses aggro. And we want aggro.
4 lets you do the surgical extraction super team otherwise no need to have a bunch because when it comes down to it its just a vanilla 3/3 that we can do some tricks with.
the things we should be focusing on brewing is bedlam reveler
that guy is a house in skred
I went 1-3 at GP side event with nahiri skred. I scrubbed out pretty hard, I draw amazingly in bad matchups, and drew terrible in good matchups.
Round 1, I played against grixis delver and nahiri just pretty much solo'd the game by exiling all his threats and throwing emrakul at him. Eternal scourge also did a lot of work.
Round 2, G/R Scapeshift: I had Nahiri ult in game 1, but he summoner's trapped his own emrakul on the field and we traded. I ended up losing to prime time in that game and the next.
Round 3, Death and Taxes: I drew terribly, a single sweeper would have won any of the games we played easily, but didn't see them in all 3 rounds. Burrenton Forge-Tender blew me out.
Round 4, White Weenies: I win G1 with Nahiri, games 2 and 3, I draw nothing but sweepers, spot removal, and lands for like 8 turns and end up getting out valued by cards like voice of resurgence, kitchen finks, and blade splicer.
I played a few other friendly games as well, and I'm cutting the roasts and putting in 2 paths. I'm also probably going to remove another koth and put in something that has good board presence.
For the people experimenting with Nahiri, how many do you run? is it the only white card you splash for, in the mb?
But im feared of Boros Reckoner isn't that great anymore if I'm not running Spellskite's with him.
(Played Reckoner for a year, but sometimes couldnt cast him (Scrying Sheets) and Thunderbreak Regent survives Bolt but trades awfully vs Aggro...
Any suggestions?
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
I also had that problem of not being able to cast Reckoner because of Sheets... now i'm testing Eternal Scourge in their spot to see if it's worth it...
I don't think Regent is that bad a card vs aggro, and considering the amount of efficient removal we're packing mainboard, it's not that worrying anyway i think. It definitely helps us more against those decks than Koth by being an actual blocker
Mostly though you should be mulliganing until you find a relic, because you're not winning without one no matter what the rest of your hand looks like.
2 Scrying Sheets
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Boros Reckoner
1 Spellskite
1 Godo, Bandit Warlord
2 Batterskull
1 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Skred
3 Volcanic Fallout
1 Anger of the Gods
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
3 Blood Moon
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Shattering Spree
2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Dragon's Claw
1 Anger of the Gods
3 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Pithing Needle
1 Relic of Progenitus
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
I am One_Man_Party and I have built Skred because ultimately I had blood moons with the amount of red cards I have I built this mono-red devotion deck and with the suggestions of local players told me to run Skred over the devotion deck. Luckily for me, I had built enough store credit at one of the local game stores I was able to not only purchase 22 Snow-Covered Mountain but also at another local game store to have purchased 2 Scrying Sheets. I played the deck on Friday July 29th at FNM with actually moderate success against the following: GR Valakut and Naya Burn that of which the decks I won my matches while the losses were against Taxing Eldrazi and Bant Eldrazi. Now flash forward to this past Monday Night Magic August 1st, I went 3-0-1 where my match wins were against Taxing Eldrazi, Jund, GR Devotion, and my last round opponent was nice enough to intentionally draw so that the prizing was benefited both of us gaining an amount of store credit. The list I am currently running now I called Skred Dragons and here is the list as follows:
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Thunderbreak Regent
4x Stormbreath Dragon
4x Inferno Titan
//Spells: 20
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
4x Kozilek's Return
4x Blood Moon
4x Firewild Borderpost
22x Snow-Covered Mountain
2x Scrying Sheets
2x Smash to Smithereens
3x Torpor Orb
4x Anger of the Gods
2x Shatterstorm
4x Leyline of Punishment
I also like running some number of Pyroclasm in our sweeper slots, because it's very efficient; being able to play a sweeper agaisnt something like affinity or elves a turn earlier can be very important.
I would also try to fit Roast, as a decent way to kill stuff out of bolt range, without having to wait until turn 4+ to kill them with Skred.
The sideboard really depends on what you expect to face, but i have been getting great results with Eidolon of the Great Revel; the card can give an out against decks with better late game by letting us go under, and is usually great against combo in general
@Patrice399, I don't know who's decks you are commenting on but what I do know that the variant of the deck I am running the metas I have been playing as seen in the two tournment reports that elves and affinity where no where to be seen.
I was commenting on Midn8Walker's list.
Hm I guess its -1 Volcanic Fallout and +1 Pyroclasm Well, I was thinking bout the Roast but in my Meta... I never faced big creatures beside Primeval Titan and Wurmcoil Engine - only target for Roast would be Tasigur, the Golden Fang, but hes never going be casted cause of 3-4 Relic of Progenitus.
Eidolon of the Great Revel - I hate that card and there is just Pyromancer Storm where it would help us, but there I got Relics and Ratchet Bombs and and and... should be fine
Thanks for your Response!
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
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Curve seems way to high for a deck with 22 lands and no permanent ramp.
I like how you're playing mostly 4-ofs. Most skred decks end up with a bunch of 1-2 ofs and it makes for wildly inconsistent hands since skred has no filtering or card selection.
I don't understand the borderposts though. Is there any reason to play them instead ofMind Stone? Also I think cutting a mountain and adding another scrying sheets would be a good idea. 24 lands makes flooding out a big risk and the sheets will get you redraws in the late game if there's another land on top of your deck.
Also I don't really like the Leylines in the sideboard, unless there is some rogue deck that's popular in your local meta. You shouldn't care too much about your opponent's life total since you're hitting so hard once a threat is out. Who cares what their life total is when an Inferno Titan is swinging for 12? I think you should replace it with things that are strong in matchups you face locally a lot. Dragon's Claw for burn, Crumble to Dust for Valakut, not sure what is good against Eldrazi decks though. Mizzium Mortars?