Hi all! Long time follower, but I just created an account to join the Lantern team!
I'm tweaking my list, and I have a flex spot that I don't know how to fill.
Here is the list, I'll explain some choices below:
* I am used to self-milling very aggressively to help filling the graveyard for a potential Academy Ruins, or a top deck Crucible of Worlds that could then be super effective. Following this direction, I prefer having a 4th Ghoulcaller's Bell rather than the Pyxis of Pandemonium.
* The choice of not having a Pyxis implies I must have an alternate win contition in case of things such as an Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. This is the reason of the Pyrite Spellbomb, in addition to be a great card against things like Noble Hierarch.
* I haven't been convinced by the Phyrexian Metamorph, which in my opinion is mostly a bad Welding Jar. Since my main strategy is often to self-mill to improve my draws, I am thinking of replacing it with a single Lens of Clarity. This is something I would love your opinion about!
Hey.
If you like to self-mill aggessively, Noxious Revival may be an option for your flex spot. How is this strategy going on so far?
Noxious revival is the real deal, especially if you selfmill hard, highly recommended. I would actually suggest replacing crucible with it md, its more flexible, won't clutter your hand and can fill in for it when you really need it, I've never really found the GQ lock to add much to the deck outside of a couple matchups (Tron variants and valakut), more of a sideboard consideration imo.
If you want redundant lantern effects though, Mishra's Bauble is the way to go, it does way more for you.
G3- Drew. He had me dead at end of turns, but I declined to concede in order to stay live.
That is such a lantern player thing to do.
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What does everyone think about playing leyline of the void in place of surgical extraction to deal with the death's shadow meta? It keeps them fair and turns off snappy, and they basically have no way to deal with it just like sanctity. Playing multiples of both also just about guarantees that you can mulligan into one or the other, either of which gives you a fighting chance. Also causes splash damage to vines, living end etc. Losing the information is unfortunate, but I think the tradeoff might be worth it?
What does everyone think about playing leyline of the void in place of surgical extraction to deal with the death's shadow meta? It keeps them fair and turns off snappy, and they basically have no way to deal with it just like sanctity. Playing multiples of both also just about guarantees that you can mulligan into one or the other, either of which gives you a fighting chance. Also causes splash damage to vines, living end etc. Losing the information is unfortunate, but I think the tradeoff might be worth it?
I actually have been thinking about running Leyline of the Void in the sideboard, but I wouldn't have it in the place of surgical extraction because that allows for you to also see their hand and library
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I don't think that seeing their library is the dealbreaker here. Leyline has some issues on it's own though. For starters, Leylines aren't that great in general in a deck that looks for the game to go indefinitely. leyline of Sanctity is powerful, and there are not many cards with similar effects, and basically the only other one is Witchbane Orb which costs 4 either way. in addition to that, Leyline of Sanctity works well retroactively - you just play it, and once it's in play, you are fine and all targeting cards stop working here. Leyline of the Void doesn't deal with cards already in graveyard when you play it. Therefore, it's awkward to play it as your only GY hate in Lantern - you either open with it, or it's actually not that good and likely not good enough, so you kind of cannot run it instead of Surgical. Another issue I see with it is that we are not a Fatal Push deck, so it's not like turning off Anglers and Tasigurs is of uttermost importance, and I've actually had opponents trim on Delve creatures against me. Death's Shadow is the stronger creature against our deck, and Shadow into Rejection into Stub is still a line that will happen like 70% of the time and Leyline doesn't deal with that.
Despite all of those issues it is definitely strong when you open with it, so try it out.
Also, thank you everybody for your kind words. I've actually started streaming the this week, and managed to win the Modern Challenge yesterday, so check it out. https://www.twitch.tv/kanister_mtg , you can watch the VODs for some quality Lantern content.
Furthermore, the places where a surgical actually shines is when it removes a key piece from ad nauseam, tron or valakut and a leyline does only blank the GY. As I see it leylines only actually do half of what surgical does and only does it better when you start with it. I have a hard time seeing the upside.
Hey guys! I just played in my first PPTQ today. I was originally going to play my Jeskai Control but decided last minute to switch to Lantern since I've been playing it a lot more recently. I went 3-3 but can honestly say that I had one of the most fun games of magic against a Grixis Death Shadow player and I'm pretty sure he could say the same.. For a deck that gets such a bad rep in tournaments for being unfair and boring, we had half the place huddled around the table..
The score was 10 (Me) - 2 (Him) with a Liliana on his side of the board and a Tasigur and Gurmag Angler on his side and a Ensnaring Bridge/2 mill rocks/ and a few lands on my side. He ultimated Liliana keeping her at 1 loyalty and separated the piles so I would only get ensnaring bridge so I sacrificed it, took 9 damage bringing me to one. Then top decked another ensuring bridge and was able to regain the lock and mill him for the last 10 cards in his deck.
Overall, the win/loss ratio wasn't anything spectacular but when this deck works it feels amazing!
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Hey guys! I just played in my first PPTQ today. I was originally going to play my Jeskai Control but decided last minute to switch to Lantern since I've been playing it a lot more recently. I went 3-3 but can honestly say that I had one of the most fun games of magic against a Grixis Death Shadow player and I'm pretty sure he could say the same.. For a deck that gets such a bad rep in tournaments for being unfair and boring, we had half the place huddled around the table..
The score was 10 (Me) - 2 (Him) with a Liliana on his side of the board and a Tasigur and Gurmag Angler on his side and a Ensnaring Bridge/2 mill rocks/ and a few lands on my side. He ultimated Liliana keeping her at 1 loyalty and separated the piles so I would only get ensnaring bridge so I sacrificed it, took 9 damage bringing me to one. Then top decked another ensuring bridge and was able to regain the lock and mill him for the last 10 cards in his deck.
Overall, the win/loss ratio wasn't anything spectacular but when this deck works it feels amazing!
That's what happens when you're the last players playing, and that's what happens when you play lantern.
So, quick post from my phone. Started testing Baubles (4) again. Found that the "scry" has been great. I feel that I was using them incorrectly before. Was using them on opponents when I should have used them on myself.
Also swapped out 3 Brutality for 3 Thoughtseize, like Piotr. Figured it might make Shadow, Tron, and Scapeshift matchups better. If it has, it hasn't been noticable. Has made the Burn matchup significantly worse. Still going to keep playing the Baubles, but switching back to 4 Brutality main.
Have a handful of replays to record and upload, showing how that list did. Hopefully get that done tomorrow.
How's testing been going for everyone else?
Quick edit: Do have a replay in which I survived a Creeping Corrosion, destroying all my artifacts and 2 Glimmervoids and opponent had lethal on board
hi, thnkr.
I have been tasting the 4 baubles quite a lot too and I end up with the same result as your. They are good and I used to use them the wrong way "on my opponent".
Although I do think that 4 brutality main is too much they are chunky. I wish the card would be a strait up duress!!!So I play one main and 2 in the sideboard. I feel like the burn match up is not that great pre board anyway but very good post board. with 3 leyline; 3 brutality; 1 spellskite; 1 Nature's Claim. It become a lot more manageable.
The death shadow match up is pretty good pre board and terrible post board. I feel like we need to bring as much discard as possible. That is where I find brutality bad but I have to keep it just to get rid of a counter spell. That is why I want to have access to 4 thoughtseize.
Where can I see your new replay? I'm always eager to watch some lantern!
And what are your thoughts people on the new card "Sorcerous Spyglass". Sometimes you have to blind name a card, I know that it cost one more but it could be a one of in the side board that can be brought in against Tron....
And what are your thoughts people on the new card "Sorcerous Spyglass". Sometimes you have to blind name a card, I know that it cost one more but it could be a one of in the side board that can be brought in against Tron....
Personally I don't think the Spyglass is that great. At the end of the day it might be good enough for us to replace a single Pithing Needle with one, but I don't think we'll replace all of them. There is a huge difference for Lantern between something costing 1 mana and 2 mana.
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@zozobaltazar - i have exactly the same experience with the GDS MU. I feel I have to keep all the discard I can get. Oftentimes it is about forcing the bridge through.
Magus can win games, but I am not too convinced he is the answer. Have won a game by putting a bridge under pyxis and getting it through counter spells like that. The MU is not too bad pre board, but post it feels very rough.
I hear that surgical still matters, it's definitely a different hoser and just does some stuff for the deck that leyline flat out can't like information and shuffling and blanking. But I still think leyline of the void is the best answer to GDS. It cripples most of the things that makes that a problem matchup for us while being immune to most of their answers. Going like 3/3 or more on both leylines in the sideboard would probably swing the matchup into reasonable percentages, but it's a hell of a lot of sideboard space to devote to essentially one deck .
Have any of you thought about giving lantern a real transformational sideboard? Like maybe Devoted druid, vizier of remedies and walking ballista? Seems like it'd be pretty good against our bad matchups when they take out removal; just sideboard out discard or surgicals maybe. Also probably would be better in the bauble version.
Have any of you thought about giving lantern a real transformational sideboard? Like maybe Devoted druid, vizier of remedies and walking ballista? Seems like it'd be pretty good against our bad matchups when they take out removal; just sideboard out discard or surgicals maybe. Also probably would be better in the bauble version.
yes, and decided that this deck doesn't lend itself well to transformational sideboards. With ancient stirrings, baubles, and scrying yourself with mill rocks, it makes more sense to me to play a couple haymakers that you can dig to instead of polluting your deck with more individually weak/non-synergetic cards.
Hey.
If you like to self-mill aggessively, Noxious Revival may be an option for your flex spot. How is this strategy going on so far?
By not playing Pyxis of Pandemonium, haven't you ever had problems with Ancient Grudge and targets for Snapcaster Mage, most notably Kolaghan's Command?
If you want redundant lantern effects though, Mishra's Bauble is the way to go, it does way more for you.
That is such a lantern player thing to do.
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I actually have been thinking about running Leyline of the Void in the sideboard, but I wouldn't have it in the place of surgical extraction because that allows for you to also see their hand and library
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Furthermore, the places where a surgical actually shines is when it removes a key piece from ad nauseam, tron or valakut and a leyline does only blank the GY. As I see it leylines only actually do half of what surgical does and only does it better when you start with it. I have a hard time seeing the upside.
The score was 10 (Me) - 2 (Him) with a Liliana on his side of the board and a Tasigur and Gurmag Angler on his side and a Ensnaring Bridge/2 mill rocks/ and a few lands on my side. He ultimated Liliana keeping her at 1 loyalty and separated the piles so I would only get ensnaring bridge so I sacrificed it, took 9 damage bringing me to one. Then top decked another ensuring bridge and was able to regain the lock and mill him for the last 10 cards in his deck.
Overall, the win/loss ratio wasn't anything spectacular but when this deck works it feels amazing!
That's what happens when you're the last players playing, and that's what happens when you play lantern.
Glad you had fun though.
Also swapped out 3 Brutality for 3 Thoughtseize, like Piotr. Figured it might make Shadow, Tron, and Scapeshift matchups better. If it has, it hasn't been noticable. Has made the Burn matchup significantly worse. Still going to keep playing the Baubles, but switching back to 4 Brutality main.
Have a handful of replays to record and upload, showing how that list did. Hopefully get that done tomorrow.
How's testing been going for everyone else?
Quick edit: Do have a replay in which I survived a Creeping Corrosion, destroying all my artifacts and 2 Glimmervoids and opponent had lethal on board
Lantern Control
(with videos)
Uc Tron
Netdecking explained
Netdecking explained, Part 2
On speculators and counterfeits
On Interaction
Every single competitive deck in existence is designed to limit the opponent's ability to interact in a meaningful way.
Record number of exclamation points on SCG homepage: 71 (6 January, 2018)
"I don't want to believe, I want to know."
-Carl Sagan
I have been tasting the 4 baubles quite a lot too and I end up with the same result as your. They are good and I used to use them the wrong way "on my opponent".
Although I do think that 4 brutality main is too much they are chunky. I wish the card would be a strait up duress!!!So I play one main and 2 in the sideboard. I feel like the burn match up is not that great pre board anyway but very good post board. with 3 leyline; 3 brutality; 1 spellskite; 1 Nature's Claim. It become a lot more manageable.
The death shadow match up is pretty good pre board and terrible post board. I feel like we need to bring as much discard as possible. That is where I find brutality bad but I have to keep it just to get rid of a counter spell. That is why I want to have access to 4 thoughtseize.
Where can I see your new replay? I'm always eager to watch some lantern!
And what are your thoughts people on the new card "Sorcerous Spyglass". Sometimes you have to blind name a card, I know that it cost one more but it could be a one of in the side board that can be brought in against Tron....
Self-proclaimed best Lantern player in the world.
Havefun.
Personally I don't think the Spyglass is that great. At the end of the day it might be good enough for us to replace a single Pithing Needle with one, but I don't think we'll replace all of them. There is a huge difference for Lantern between something costing 1 mana and 2 mana.
Modern Decks:
UBG Lantern Control GBU
BRG Bridge-Vine GRB
Commander Decks
UBG Muldrotha, Value Elemental GBU
BRG Windgrace Real-Estate Ltd. GRB
#PayThePros
Magus can win games, but I am not too convinced he is the answer. Have won a game by putting a bridge under pyxis and getting it through counter spells like that. The MU is not too bad pre board, but post it feels very rough.