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Quote from Dassul »

I run 1 mindslaver for a long time (2nd one sometimes finds a slot in SB). It's bad against most creature aggro decks (against burn it's not that bad) - in game 1 We have to remember that with academy ruins and tron online it's good against anything
Against CoCo it's also a good trick (especially in game 1) I won one game against "infinite" life from finks/vizier combo (I've got 2 chalices online - on 1 and 2) and I just mill my opponent to death (there are more options - they play a lot sacrifice effects to clear their board or You can just combo-of and win with their own ballista :D)

I'm still not sure which if summary is better then nimble (it's at last a decent clock when needed).

That was one of my other thoughts - cutting Mindslaver to 1 MB and a 2nd SB. The creature package definitely seems quicker/more powerful than Slaver, on a sustained basis. However, being able to Slaver the opponent, even if only once or twice, as opposed to the infinite loop, can still have an extremely positive impact on our game.

I agree. I think 1 or 2 slaver is really dealers choice, but when you get a slaver off its almost always back breaking for the other player.

If you had to choose between having spatial or dismember in the board what would it be? Which of the 2 could we not live without? I wanna say dismember but I always feel a little salty whenever I cast it.

@Grim: I would say: dismember - It takes away almost all awful eldrazi / gideons and DS threats. Spatial is first card to cut when we will get some new powerful blue removal spell (ye - ha ha ha )

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On another note, am I the only one who feels like Mindslaver is "almost" too slow for the meta? I mean I resolved it (the combo) like 1 time in probably 45 matches. The land hate is really present, meaning after assembling I usually play something big and then "lands die". That and I usually win with [card »

sundering titan[/card] or Ugin before even putting Mindslaver on the table; that or I loose before. I mean, the possibility is there so I'm not going to remove it, but it feels like often Mindslaver is gonna be a simple turn-stealer, and the game will go on.
All that said, I used to play 2 Mindslaver MB, then switched to 1 MB 1 SB and now it's only 1 MB. This card is simply bad against all CoCo and other aggro decks or ones that quickly empty their hand.

Was just wondering what you guys felt about it. I am not thinking about statistical theorical argument here, simply about the feeling you get from the meta.

PS. Gonna try Nimble Obstructionist tonight.

I can share your experience here regarding the online meta, I am currently playing a 1-main 1-sb splitof Mindslaver and I am currently testing a lot of things online for the next bigger tournament (>500ppl) in January like a second Ugin, Gearhulk and even Karn.

My FNM meta is perfect for slaver, a lot of mid-lategame Decks. I finished 3-1 last Friday and won 3 games with slaver..

@GrimDucky I am currently running 2 Dismember MB (mainly against E-Tron) and 2 Contortion SB.



Greets
Max

Hello everybody!

I've been playing RG Tron for 5-6 years now and i felt like i have to switch decks even tho i love the locomotive known as RG Tron!
So naturally i went mono U tron instead!

This is the list i have so far, don't have much of a sideboard yet but i have stuff like:
Spreading Seas
Pithing Needle
Grafdiggers Cage
Dismember
etc.



I would love to get feedback!

EDIT: Sadly i don't have a Oboro, Palace in the Clouds or Engineered Explosives, i've seen them on many lists

I personnaly don't like angel much anymore. I play myr battlesphere instead now in its place. Same cost, faster beats. I would be willing to change it since Im not convinced yet. I don't play the deck enough right now to talk about it more than as an idea to try.

Heya Runnin and welcome to the U-Family,

your list looks solid at first sight. Oboro, Palace in the Clouds is kinda "pricy" and is just adding the last percentage of flexibility, so it´s fine for the start I think.

What I would go next is def. Engineered Explosives, you can replace it with Ratchet Bomb on a budget.

For my personal feeling your counter count is a bit too high and you can probably cut the Spell Snare for another Dismember or Chalice of the void, just move it to SB.

Besides that, all the cards you have mentioned are suitable for a SB if it is right for your meta. My all time fav. for the SB is the good old Squelch.

BR

Max

Thanks!

Yes, i will try and get an Explosives if/when i can.
I figured Chalice is nice for the Trinket Mage package but yeah.

How many counters d you usually run? And i like having for example a spell snare after playing the Talisman. I was first thinking.of playing a Spell Pierce instead/or in addition to Spell Snare.

If i cut Spell Snare and Chalice it'll open up my mainboard a bit.
Maybe a Epiphany at the Drownyard and another Dismember?

Quote from Runnin »

Thanks!

Yes, i will try and get an Explosives if/when i can.
I figured Chalice is nice for the Trinket Mage package but yeah.

How many counters d you usually run? And i like having for example a spell snare after playing the Talisman. I was first thinking.of playing a Spell Pierce instead/or in addition to Spell Snare.

If i cut Spell Snare and Chalice it'll open up my mainboard a bit.
Maybe a Epiphany at the Drownyard and another Dismember?

I`m sorry. I did a mistake with the "," - I wanted to say that you could add another(!) chalice instead of Snare. Chalice is currently one of the best cards against certain matchups.

We usually run 7-9 counters Mainboard. Currently, I would add a Dismember as I said.

I´ve just started trying Epiphany online and starting to like it - but I´ve tested too less with it to make recommendations.


Greets

Max

I recently switched out my Epiphany for a Supreme Will. I think those two definitely fight for the same spot and that overall Supreme Will is going to give me more flexibility. Having a hard counter is always great, and besides matches where you simply blow the opponent out with a massive Epiphany, you're casting it looking for something specific that your opponent can stop you from having.

Also, Supreme has more synergy with snap / gearhulk

I'm also a supreme will fan. I keep flip flopping between 1-2 but I think I like it as a 1 of.

So whilst heavily testing for the MKM Series in Frankfurt, Germany in January I´ll attend two more medium sized tourneys this year.

One will be on Sunday with around 80-100 Modern players and I will go with the following list:



Any comments are highly appreciated.

BR
Max

That list looks great to me man. The only thing I would dispute is the number of chalices as I think 3 is the minimum number between mb/sb

2 Supreme Will also looks a little slow in theory, but I haven't test it enough to say that definitively.

Is Spell Burst worth running? Every list i see posted does not play Spell Burst.
Was thinking of switching it for a Spell Snaresince it works well with Talisman of Dominance

EDIT: Cool, its a hardcounter agains Ancestral Vision

LGS Report-

Went 3-1 last night with the following list:


Matches -

1) Jeskai Control - felt favorable

Game 1 - Tron turn 4, without searches. Opponent was tapped out, having played some cantrip spells. I played a Sundering Titan and, realizing he'd lose 3/4 of his land, opponent scooped.

Game 2 - Opponent was able to counter and bounce most of my threats, as I was incapable of getting the draw engine going. He was then able to chip away with a few small creatures. I eventually landed a Platinum Angel and had it protected for a few turns. My downfall was playing Ugin, instead of Sundering Titan, while I was sitting at -2 life. Had I played Titan, opp would not have had sufficient mana to cast a cryptic to bounce the Angel and swap counters with me to make it stick.

Game 3 - Later game Tron, but a lot of counters and bounce to keep the board clear, until I landed a Sundering Titan again and he scooped.

2) Knightfall - first time I've played against this deck

Game 1 - Tron turn 4. From there, I was able to counter and bounce everything without concern, fetch Academy Ruins, and built the Mindslaver lock. Finished the game with 18 life and he only had mana dorks on the board.

Game 2 - He sided in Voice of Resurgence or got lucky and hit them this game, but he was able to get 3 on the board, and I didn't draw into any/enough bounce, counter, or sweepers. GG

Game 3 - I held him at nothing on board for a long time, until he landed his combo, while I ran out of cards. GG

My error here was side board. I side boarded in more proactive aggressive tech, trying to out aggro him. Bad idea...

3) Knightfall

Game 1 - I wasn't able to assemble Tron and didn't draw into any acceleration. Ultimately, he was able to get threats on the board and swing.

Game 2 - I sided out differently than my prior match against the other Knightfall player. Controlled the match completely, staying at 20 the whole time. Assembled Tron and he eventually scooped, unable to do anything against the Wurmcoil I landed.

Game 3 - Again, Turn 4 tron, landed a Sundering Titan to wipe all of his lands in play. GG

4) Affinity

Game 1 - No sweepers drawn and by the time I was able to start turning the table, he Galvanic Blasted for lethal.

Game 2 - Side in all the creature removal tech. I keep the board relatively clear using bounce and destroy. I assemble Tron relatively quickly and get a Wurmcoil on the board and that's that.

Game 3 - He's able to get me down to 10, after a bunch of rounds of bounce, removal and counter. I land an Ugin and start pinging the rest of his stuff and that's game.


Overall, the deck felt quite good and my piloting significantly improved.

- I think cutting Epiphany is the right choice. It was great getting it off a couple of times during my longer matches against Jeskai control, but otherwise, it was too slow. I'd like 3rd Remand more I think.
- I would like another EE or OStone in the 75, as sweepers were definitely an issue during those 3 matches and would have helped make my position more comfortable.
- Sundering Titan did huge work. My local meta has a ton of 3+ color decks and, I think, the meta as a whole has a lot of tri color decks. This guy does huge work against those opponents.
- Gearhulk was great mid to late game tech for either additional counters or for generating card advantage. I definitely like having him in the deck.

I like it a lot, but I could see the argument that by the time its really useful you're already in good shape and don't need it. But in some games its just a lock because of the buyback

Quote from Alur13 »

Wow, your 60 is, like 99% the same as mine, but I got back to my couple talismans. They've been really good with EE, blows up blood moons & other 3 drops, really good vs that Mono-Red Prison that's been running around.
And 2 of Dismember, Remand, Supreme Will, and Repeal is feeling great also. What's your opinion on this split?

Sounds good, even tho I thought we are not really on the same boat since you "hated" a lot against Gemstone Caverns. :-P
How does your Land/Talisman split looks like then?

I currently really enjoying the split, sometimes I personally think that it may be a bit to slow.. but that is very situational. I think it is at least debateable to do a 3 remand / 1 will split.

Quote from Runnin »

Is Spell Burst worth running? Every list i see posted does not play Spell Burst.
Was thinking of switching it for a Spell Snaresince it works well with Talisman of Dominance

EDIT: Cool, its a hardcounter agains Ancestral Vision

Spell burst is a really good spell - I normally play it in my 75 all the time, but currently I just don´t feel that I have enough space for it sadly.


BTW.: I just did a 4-1 finish @competitive league with the deck I´ve mentioned above. Matchups were:

vs UR Storm 2-0
vs Nahiri bring to light 0-2
vs Burn 2-0
vs Skek Red 2-0
vs Grixis Ctrl 2-0

Made a good 45€ + on that one

Nice, thanks for the answers everyone!
Btw, i tried out the deck against a eternal command deck and even tho i always went second i won all of the matches.
I really like the deck, Condescend is boss. Supreme Will was also really nice.
Walking Ballista could ping Witness and snappy.
Fun deck!

Guys any experiences against GW Company deck? https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-g-w-company-40868#paper
I've got hard beating yesterday from ghost quarter / ramunap / knight of reliquary... I side in all removal against them but I didn't make it.

Do You played against this deck?
Maybe You've got some nice card ideas? (I really don't like pithing needle in the sideboard beacuse of all hate cards in game 2/3).

Thx in advance for Your thoughts

Ugin or bust. The match up is definitely a tough one and I think you really gotta use your life total as a punching bag until you can stabilize the board.

I'd also like to hear more input but personally I bring in removal, GY hate, crucible, and an extra coil / ballista.