Man its been awhile since I posted.
I'm getting ready for the Open, main deck is stock. I've been going 3-1 pretty consistently at my LGS since the ban.
Sideboard right now is:
I really want to fit a Bojuka Bog in here for the mirror but I'm not sure what to cut. I'm thinking either the 3rd Brutality or 2nd Darkblast. The deck is already pretty good vs small creature decks so I think Darkblast is the safer cut.
Thoughts?
To respond to questions on RIP, I go with the "Thoughtseize it on turn 1-2" Plan. I don't bring in Decays.
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Don't be fooled, this is NOT an anti-hate card, but instead should only be used as the grave version of Grudge, best against Boogles and enchantment matters decks.
Lantern, I noticed this in the primer and I was wondering if you could expand. If my opponent plays RIP in game 2, for example, then shouldn't I bring in my Ray of Revelations for game 3?
Well unless you're splashing white, it's going to be difficult to destroy a rest in peace with Ray of revelation.
I'm also of the opinion that it's incorrect to bring in cards to destroy rest in peace. I feel that frequently enough, the initial trigger of rest in peace will beat you, and it's better to try to hit it with discard.
You cast it with G in response to the trigger if it is in your graveyard (for those that are playing it; I'm not currently).
gibbousm, personally I like the Bojuka Bog in place of 1 Brutality.
Don't be fooled, this is NOT an anti-hate card, but instead should only be used as the grave version of Grudge, best against Boogles and enchantment matters decks.
Lantern, I noticed this in the primer and I was wondering if you could expand. If my opponent plays RIP in game 2, for example, then shouldn't I bring in my Ray of Revelations for game 3?
Well unless you're splashing white, it's going to be difficult to destroy a rest in peace with Ray of revelation.
I'm also of the opinion that it's incorrect to bring in cards to destroy rest in peace. I feel that frequently enough, the initial trigger of rest in peace will beat you, and it's better to try to hit it with discard.
You cast it with G in response to the trigger if it is in your graveyard (for those that are playing it; I'm not currently).
gibbousm, personally I like the Bojuka Bog in place of 1 Brutality.
Yea, I get that. That's why I said difficult, not that you can't do it.
Just seems like having to have green mana up in case they play rest in peace, and then having your graveyard still get exiled isn't a good place to be.
I'm headed to an FNM-level Modern event tonight with
+ 4x Shriekhorn
- 4x Insolent Neonate
I think it's better than Insolent Neonate post GGT ban. I really like being able to mill 4 before my T2 draw step with just one card (rather than having to rely on having a Neonate AND a Thug/Stinky in hand). Also, being able to mill yourself three times at instant speed makes it very versatile.
Look at that - a 4 Shriekhorn, Reduce/Rubble deck 5-0'd a league. Also he has the *kind of* sweet tech of Stain the Mind, though I may consider the BB1 sorcery from a newer set that does a similar effect (sorry, I forget.. Life's Legacy? Lost Legacy?).
I don't think a 5-0 in a league means much, but I think Reduce/Rubble is a good solution to a diverse metagame. Tangle Wire the opponent out of his 3rd and possibly 4th turns before you Loam/Conflagrate for the win.
What do I take out from my deck to make room for a Lightning Axe? I have a very Scooze-heavy meta. The obvious answer might be the 4th Loam, but I kind of need it to fuel my conflagrate to kill Scoozes, right?
How do you all sideboard against Storm and Eldrazi Tron? I can't decide for the latter whether I should be bringing in 5 anti-hate cards or a little less. I know Eldrazi Tron could bring in 3 relics and 2 surgical extractions sometimes.
Against Storm I tried siding in Lightning Axes and always killing the 2-drop, but with them playing 8 copies, I decided I had to play Thoughtseize and Brutality.
+3 Thoughtseize
+2 Collective Brutality
+1 Bojuka Bog
-2 Land
-1 Haunted Dead
-2 Insolent Neonate
-1 Darkblast (Or Life from the Loam if you are on 4)
Against Eldrazi I don't worry about Surgical Extraction but bring in Ancient Grudges and Lightning Axes. They have no deck manipulation or reliability to find their hate cards, so any more anti-hate is overboard. Ancient Grudge is worthwhile because Walking Ballista can really get out of hand in a grind.
+2 Lightning Axe
+2 Ancient Grudge
-2 Insolent Neonate
-1 Bloodghast
-1 Land (Mountain personally)
Don't be fooled, this is NOT an anti-hate card, but instead should only be used as the grave version of Grudge, best against Boogles and enchantment matters decks.
Lantern, I noticed this in the primer and I was wondering if you could expand. If my opponent plays RIP in game 2, for example, then shouldn't I bring in my Ray of Revelations for game 3?
Well unless you're splashing white, it's going to be difficult to destroy a rest in peace with Ray of revelation.
I'm also of the opinion that it's incorrect to bring in cards to destroy rest in peace. I feel that frequently enough, the initial trigger of rest in peace will beat you, and it's better to try to hit it with discard.
You cast it with G in response to the trigger if it is in your graveyard (for those that are playing it; I'm not currently).
gibbousm, personally I like the Bojuka Bog in place of 1 Brutality.
Yea, I get that. That's why I said difficult, not that you can't do it.
Just seems like having to have green mana up in case they play rest in peace, and then having your graveyard still get exiled isn't a good place to be.
Sorry. Been out at work for a long time. Yes, basically this. Most higher dredge players have said ray is a wasted slot if you want to kill RiP with it. If you have a boggles meta, its fine to also side in vs RiP, but leaving the green up to destroy a RiP isnt very likely, and the white casting is alot harder for naturally drawn. Its just unrealistic. A thoughtseize to strip it is far more likely and far better.
Re: thoughtseize, storm
If goblin electromancer and baral were bottlenecks we could capitalize on, I would focus on lightning axe, start//finish, and conflagrate. As it is, I have destroyed those buggers turn after turn many games only to lose because they have more than we can remove.
Thoughtseize isn't quite so simple to plan as your question makes out. If they are heavy on top-end things, then I take a ritual. Otherwise, gifts is the card to take. If we can set them back a turn and make them develop, then we can win with high pressure, have high impact bogs, or use conflagrate on the creatures when they ultimately pass.
Tl Dr: you mention redundant effects. Gifts ungiven isn't, so seize it.
Speaking of gifts, anyone interested in Leyline of Sanctity at all? Helps against nihil spellbomb, thoughtseize on our enabler, win conditions of better combo decks, etc.
I am looking at investing into a new deck and my eye fell for Dredge. I really love the mechanic of cheating creatures into play and all the different lines of play the deck has.
I always play agro and fast decks but the decks that always kept me going the longest with them were a deck that has something more than just slamming down creatures and turning them sideways. I loved playing Affinity and found it a very interesting deck to play but I had to sell it for money reasons. I kept playing Burn but that was just not my cup of tea and I also sold that one for the same reasons.
When I got back into magic again after about 6 months off I could buy an Infect deck of a friend for a very good price and I am loving the deck for the past year that I played it. But we all know bans happened, Probe got banned and Push got printed. The rest is history and Infect is just not doing it anymore for me and for the meta in general. I don’t see it changing anytime soon with all the removal, hand disruption and creatures being playing.
This is what let me to Dredge. I love a deck that has more to it and has some nice and fast combo elements in it. I know this deck is hard to play but that will keep me interested, busy and motivated to keep playing and learning it. It is also putting up good results and has a good game against most of the field. Sure the hate is hard but that is just a challenge to overcome, I had the same playing Affinity.
Now I am looking at a very standard all comers build because where I play we got a ton of decks being played. From home brews to Tier 1 and everything in between and this makes it very hard to meta build a deck.
I am really liking the look of this deck and when testing it online I am having a lot of fun with it. I already got some cards for it so it won`t be that hard to build.
Do you guys think building this deck is a good investment and will it put up some good results after learning how to use it properly?
I always like to build and play one deck and become a specialist with it. That is just the way I am and I think in Modern that works pretty good.
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Modern - Burn
EDH - Neheb the Eternal
Youre pretty save to invest in dredge. I dont think anythings getting banned, they clearly stated their eye is on deaths shadow, not us, and our useage dropped alot recently.
That is good to hear. I just want to play a deck that is aggresive, has a lot to learn and won`t get anything banned anytime soon.
I know that when new cards come out and they are to much they will get banned but a deck that has a shell that is strong but not OP will be save to invest in.
I will be going to the shop later this week to pick up the pieces.
Congrats guys. Could you mind sharing some tips on how to fight against Eldrazi Tron? Am I just trying to race them? What sideboard cards do you guys use?
Nice man. Really well done. My main question is why only 20 lands and how/why did you end up with the rally the peasants.
I've been using rally over devil for a while now. I wonder if its the same reason as me. Rally just wins the game faster, and when you race against alot of the decks, you just want the earlier victory. Most times devil only counts up to 3-4 life shy lethal, where rally is lethal.
I'm getting ready for the Open, main deck is stock. I've been going 3-1 pretty consistently at my LGS since the ban.
Sideboard right now is:
2x Ancient Grudge
3x Collective Brutality
2x Darkblast
1x Gnaw to the Bone
2x Lightning Axe
3x Thoughtseize
I really want to fit a Bojuka Bog in here for the mirror but I'm not sure what to cut. I'm thinking either the 3rd Brutality or 2nd Darkblast. The deck is already pretty good vs small creature decks so I think Darkblast is the safer cut.
Thoughts?
To respond to questions on RIP, I go with the "Thoughtseize it on turn 1-2" Plan. I don't bring in Decays.
-Anonymous
gibbousm, personally I like the Bojuka Bog in place of 1 Brutality.
Yea, I get that. That's why I said difficult, not that you can't do it.
Just seems like having to have green mana up in case they play rest in peace, and then having your graveyard still get exiled isn't a good place to be.
+ 4x Shriekhorn
- 4x Insolent Neonate
I think it's better than Insolent Neonate post GGT ban. I really like being able to mill 4 before my T2 draw step with just one card (rather than having to rely on having a Neonate AND a Thug/Stinky in hand). Also, being able to mill yourself three times at instant speed makes it very versatile.
I'll let y'all know how it goes.
I don't think a 5-0 in a league means much, but I think Reduce/Rubble is a good solution to a diverse metagame. Tangle Wire the opponent out of his 3rd and possibly 4th turns before you Loam/Conflagrate for the win.
1x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodghast
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Cathartic Reunion
3x Conflagrate
1x Copperline Gorge
2x Dakmor Salvage
4x Faithless Looting
1x Ghost Quarter
4x Golgari Thug
1x Haunted Dead
4x Life from the Loam
2x Mountain
4x Narcomoeba
4x Prized Amalgam
4x Shriekhorn
1x Steam Vents
4x Stinkweed Imp
3x Stomping Ground
3x Wooded Foothills
1x Abrupt Decay
3x Ancient Grudge
2x Darkblast
1x Gnaw to the Bone
1x Golgari Brownscale
3x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Lightning Axe
2x Memory's Journey
Link to deck @ TappedOut.net
+3 Thoughtseize
+2 Collective Brutality
+1 Bojuka Bog
-2 Land
-1 Haunted Dead
-2 Insolent Neonate
-1 Darkblast (Or Life from the Loam if you are on 4)
Against Eldrazi I don't worry about Surgical Extraction but bring in Ancient Grudges and Lightning Axes. They have no deck manipulation or reliability to find their hate cards, so any more anti-hate is overboard. Ancient Grudge is worthwhile because Walking Ballista can really get out of hand in a grind.
+2 Lightning Axe
+2 Ancient Grudge
-2 Insolent Neonate
-1 Bloodghast
-1 Land (Mountain personally)
Sorry. Been out at work for a long time. Yes, basically this. Most higher dredge players have said ray is a wasted slot if you want to kill RiP with it. If you have a boggles meta, its fine to also side in vs RiP, but leaving the green up to destroy a RiP isnt very likely, and the white casting is alot harder for naturally drawn. Its just unrealistic. A thoughtseize to strip it is far more likely and far better.
If goblin electromancer and baral were bottlenecks we could capitalize on, I would focus on lightning axe, start//finish, and conflagrate. As it is, I have destroyed those buggers turn after turn many games only to lose because they have more than we can remove.
Thoughtseize isn't quite so simple to plan as your question makes out. If they are heavy on top-end things, then I take a ritual. Otherwise, gifts is the card to take. If we can set them back a turn and make them develop, then we can win with high pressure, have high impact bogs, or use conflagrate on the creatures when they ultimately pass.
Tl Dr: you mention redundant effects. Gifts ungiven isn't, so seize it.
Speaking of gifts, anyone interested in Leyline of Sanctity at all? Helps against nihil spellbomb, thoughtseize on our enabler, win conditions of better combo decks, etc.
I am looking at investing into a new deck and my eye fell for Dredge. I really love the mechanic of cheating creatures into play and all the different lines of play the deck has.
I always play agro and fast decks but the decks that always kept me going the longest with them were a deck that has something more than just slamming down creatures and turning them sideways. I loved playing Affinity and found it a very interesting deck to play but I had to sell it for money reasons. I kept playing Burn but that was just not my cup of tea and I also sold that one for the same reasons.
When I got back into magic again after about 6 months off I could buy an Infect deck of a friend for a very good price and I am loving the deck for the past year that I played it. But we all know bans happened, Probe got banned and Push got printed. The rest is history and Infect is just not doing it anymore for me and for the meta in general. I don’t see it changing anytime soon with all the removal, hand disruption and creatures being playing.
This is what let me to Dredge. I love a deck that has more to it and has some nice and fast combo elements in it. I know this deck is hard to play but that will keep me interested, busy and motivated to keep playing and learning it. It is also putting up good results and has a good game against most of the field. Sure the hate is hard but that is just a challenge to overcome, I had the same playing Affinity.
Now I am looking at a very standard all comers build because where I play we got a ton of decks being played. From home brews to Tier 1 and everything in between and this makes it very hard to meta build a deck.
I am really liking the look of this deck and when testing it online I am having a lot of fun with it. I already got some cards for it so it won`t be that hard to build.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-dredge-26688#paper
Do you guys think building this deck is a good investment and will it put up some good results after learning how to use it properly?
I always like to build and play one deck and become a specialist with it. That is just the way I am and I think in Modern that works pretty good.
Modern - Burn
EDH - Neheb the Eternal
I know that when new cards come out and they are to much they will get banned but a deck that has a shell that is strong but not OP will be save to invest in.
I will be going to the shop later this week to pick up the pieces.
Modern - Burn
EDH - Neheb the Eternal
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