Also, not sure it was talked about yet, but Veil of Summer is a seriously good card. Green Devotion has had issues with control in the past, and this card is a BIG middle finger to all control players.
Yes, I've definitely jammed 2 Veils in my sideboard. Was almost disappointed I didn't get to play against control last night to try it out. Ended up going 4-0 anyways against Dredge, Burn, Humans and Bant Coco Elementals. Write up here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/stompy-green-devotion/deck-update/248453/
To answer the question about lands from earlier, seems like there's not much a reason to play Peatland or Grove when you could just play Horizon Canopy and stay in color, but beyond that, Blast Zone or Ghost Quarter/Field of Ruin. Gavony Township is also a card, but maybe not the right fit for this deck.
Without Prime Time in the deck, can you consistently find these utility lands?
How has Gaddock Teeg worked for you? What matchups do you like to bring him in for?
The deck revolves around being able to fetch, play, and untap lands. I wanted to make it as much “play good cards that happen to have synergy” as possible (where the “combo” is a coincidence of playing the way you would normally play anyways). The only cards I feel are “deck specific” are Kiora, Wayward Swordtooth, the extra Emrakul, and Mosswort Bridge. Mosswort is a Land (so is not asking too much) and the others are otherwise good on their own; so I didn’t feel I had pushed things too hard to justify the Mosswort combo.
You can win the old Fashion way just attacking and overrun with Garruk.
The deck also wins casting Emrakul. You do so either via Mosswort Bridge (as it casts the card rather than just putting it in play. I’ve even won several games just hard-casting Emrakul :). 15-mana is surprisingly possible by turn 4 (sometimes even turn 3).
I wanted to get a few Tireless Tracker and a Nissa, Vastwood Seer in there; but they both felt a little too midrange for what the deck is doing. I have been trying trackers in the board.
I’ll try to play it more this evening against the top tier decks and let you know how it goes.
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I thought about splashing blue for Kiora, Master of the Depths, Kiora’s Follower, Coiling Oracle? Etc.
The build would be slightly different (you’d probably replace SSG with Oracle, run 1 less Garruk, etc. Youbprobably couldn’t play Blast Zone...
I also thought of playing Knight of the Reliquary; but that felt like a different deck.
I wanted to start Mono-Green first; but may try a few splashes later.
Also, not sure it was talked about yet, but Veil of Summer is a seriously good card. Green Devotion has had issues with control in the past, and this card is a BIG middle finger to all control players.
Yes, I've definitely jammed 2 Veils in my sideboard. Was almost disappointed I didn't get to play against control last night to try it out. Ended up going 4-0 anyways against Dredge, Burn, Humans and Bant Coco Elementals. Write up here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/stompy-green-devotion/deck-update/248453/
Hornet Queen absolutely ruined some folks' night.
Congrats! That’s awesome.
I badly want to play Llanowar Tribe again like you do here. Such a great 3-drop. My meta got a little Jund-Heavy and a lot of red was running around between Phoenix and Prison...which led to a lot of bolts...so I had to stop playing it for a bit. I hope the Hogaak-less meta isn’t too Bolt/Wrenn & Six heavy...but I fear it will be.
We have tools we can use though..Devotion finds a way
Wayward Swordtooth
I made the same mistake, my whole post was full of references to Ravenous Hydra for a while. That's not a thing.
Anyway,
Currently I run a singleton Nissa, Vital Force in my Eladamri's Call list. She fills a dual role of recursion and haste threat, but the fact that I can't call her means I might just want to split her into an Eternal Witness and a haste threat somewhere in the 75. This is most often relevant against a control player that tapped low on their turn for a walker or a verdict, and I want to punish them for it.
Mistcutter Hydra and Shifting Ceratops
+ Protection from blue has extra utility in the matchup.
+ Both are mana sinks
- Pro blue doesn't do as much as I'd like. The protection stops them from getting bounced, but not pathed, settled, or verdicted.
Ravager Wurm
+ Big
+ Easy to get 2-for-1 by either fighting a creature+attack a walker, or attack walker+destroy Colonnade.
+ More utility in other matchups.
- Calling it requires 8 mana and is color-intensive.
- No evasion or protection.
Gaea's Revenge
+ Lots of Power
+ Hard to get rid of.
- Expensive.
- No trample.
Bloodbraid Elf
+ Not that expensive
- Green Devotion has a lot of poor cascade hits.
Vengevine
+ Recursive threats have tons of utility in other matchups.
- Play pattern makes me worried about overextending into verdict.
- Can't do anything stupid with it w/out discard outlets.
Grand Warlord Radha
+ Makes mana
- Not sure the deck goes wide enough to make good use of the ability.
That seems like most of the relevant haste creatures for us. I am leaning towards Ravager Wurm or Shifting Ceratops as of now, but I'd like to hear what you guys think. Did I miss any I should consider?
@Curdbros
Thanks for the shoutout. With only 10-20 players on any given night at my shop, it's easier for me to dodge Phoenix matchups, and we only have 1 regular on Jund, so its pretty Tribe-friendly right now. Usually if I'm on Primal Command, I can get enough reach on Jund to grind them, but Command is poor against control, which is more common at my LGS.
@Aethelianmage
If you want a hasty option to fight control, maybe try Rhythm of the Wild? If you can get it to stick, it blanks all their countermagic and then ALL your creatures can have haste.
@Deruvid
Rhythm is a strong card, but I am specifically looking for something to hit with Eladamri's Call.
@Curdbros
How good has blast zone been for you? I'm wondering if I should put one in my deck. I have plenty of titans to fetch it with, but also intensive colored-mana requirements, though less so since I'm on Garruk over Tribe
I have really liked Blast Zone in any Primetime deck. We have the mana to put the counters on it and Garruk (and sometimes other options like Kiora BB, Voyaging Saytr, Kiora’s Follower, etc.) ti untap it if we want to use it the turn it comes down and add counters to it.
It’s just a great “catch all” answer against (a) decks that go wide and (b) difficult to answer permanents.
It is difficult, however, to play more than 4-5 non-green sources. We already play 4 Nykthos...so we really only get one utility slot before we get into “really greedy” territory. I like it as my 1-of. I know most prefer Kessig Wolf Run (and you may be able to get away with both if you play more lands) but this far its been a great card. It gives us removal without having to splash a color.
I’m not certain Mosswort Bridge is even needed in the deck :). I found myself being able to simply hard-cast Emrakul :). Between Nykthos and Blast Zone...that may be enough to make it worth it.
The deck revolves around being able to fetch, play, and untap lands. I wanted to make it as much “play good cards that happen to have synergy” as possible (where the “combo” is a coincidence of playing the way you would normally play anyways). The only cards I feel are “deck specific” are Kiora, Wayward Swordtooth, the extra Emrakul, and Mosswort Bridge. Mosswort is a Land (so is not asking too much) and the others are otherwise good on their own; so I didn’t feel I had pushed things too hard to justify the Mosswort combo.
You can win the old Fashion way just attacking and overrun with Garruk.
The deck also wins casting Emrakul. You do so either via Mosswort Bridge (as it casts the card rather than just putting it in play. I’ve even won several games just hard-casting Emrakul :). 15-mana is surprisingly possible by turn 4 (sometimes even turn 3).
I wanted to get a few Tireless Tracker and a Nissa, Vastwood Seer in there; but they both felt a little too midrange for what the deck is doing. I have been trying trackers in the board.
I’ll try to play it more this evening against the top tier decks and let you know how it goes.
_________
I thought about splashing blue for Kiora, Master of the Depths, Kiora’s Follower, Coiling Oracle? Etc.
The build would be slightly different (you’d probably replace SSG with Oracle, run 1 less Garruk, etc. Youbprobably couldn’t play Blast Zone...
I also thought of playing Knight of the Reliquary; but that felt like a different deck.
I wanted to start Mono-Green first; but may try a few splashes later.
**Edit - Fixed “Swordtooth” **
i like your list but have you thought of using Nissa, Who Shakes the World?
I found her to be useful when playing primal surge. Her or primeval titan were the mid range card that if they stick you win by enabling a high mana cost finisher like surge. In your build im certain you'd see similar out come in powering out emrakul .
The only thing I don't like about Swordtooth, Nissa WSTW or Coiling Oracle is that we are land-light, so they don't provide consistent value. Even Courser of Kruphix was middle-of-the-road back when I was running him. Many of my games just have two Forests and a Nykthos in play before I land Primetime. I'd ideally want to go up to 24+ lands to get more value out of these guys, but more lands is not really what the deck needs.
It’s so tough building when the meta is so unknown and so may powerful cards flood the format...
I just worry so much about being the “best X” deck that I box myself in I think. I don’t want to be a “worse Karn deck” or a “worse Primeval Titan
Deck”, etc....so I’m always trying to loom where Devotion can get an edge no other deck can. Obviously we can generate more mana than any other deck out there by turn 4 (and sometimes turn 3)...but that only means something if (a) you can get to turn four and (b) you can do so consistently without (c) being able to be interacted with too easily.
i like your list but have you thought of using Nissa, Who Shakes the World?
I found her to be useful when playing primal surge. Her or primeval titan were the mid range card that if they stick you win by enabling a high mana cost finisher like surge. In your build im certain you'd see similar out come in powering out emrakul .
I put one in tonight and it performed extremely well. May have to try 2 copies.
I don’t want to make it sound like this deck is viable yet as I haven’t tested or tuned it nearly enough...but I am learning a lot about synergies between cards. I did a lot with Nissa Vital Force’s emblem tonight.
I’ve been pretty impressed with Cavalier of Thorns as well. Idk if it’s just the games I’ve played and not having a huge sample size...but he’s been quite strong.
The only thing I don't like about Swordtooth, Nissa WSTW or Coiling Oracle is that we are land-light, so they don't provide consistent value. Even Courser of Kruphix was middle-of-the-road back when I was running him. Many of my games just have two Forests and a Nykthos in play before I land Primetime. I'd ideally want to go up to 24+ lands to get more value out of these guys, but more lands is not really what the deck needs.
Yeah....the initial idea was trying to focus on Mosswort Bridge...so i wanted it to both (a) get into play even if you had already played a land that turn and drew it, and (b) his 5-power is always “on” (even if he can’t attack or block) so he was a good Mosswort option.
You are right though that we tend to function extremely well on only a few lands. I will try switching them out for an additional Blast Zone, a few Forests, and maybe one other utility land...
heres my Primal Surge list i've been play testing and updating it with m20 and modern horizons.
The goal is hit 10 mana and win with primal surge as you already known. However I'm working in fields of the dead in this current list since a large portion of the strategy is to use Primeval titan to achieve 10 mana or more, otherwise make creatures and beat down. 1 wrenn and six to goes with the theme if things grind out, if you get it early its more ramp, I only have the 1 so far.
i'm back to liliana vess for the vampiric tutor effect.
However i've been back and forth between running her or Karn, the great creator since karn can make a wish board that wins the game as well. Goes with the theme get a lot of mana and win. He also gets you sideboard tech, like trinisphere or ensnaring bridge from sideboard.
You land titan or nissa, who shakes the world and you are typically at the 10 mana position you want. It's trickier, but 3/3 lands can do a lot as well.
Primal Surge is a really cool idea. With the amount of “hate walkers” and creatures that act like spells; you Can play a no-instant/sorcery deck now. Im super interested in this.
LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I haven't played magic in over 4 years. And I've been slowly building a green devotion deck. When I got into Modern last time it was green devotion that got me in. So I thought I would be appropriate to start here again. But oh boy do the modern meta change after yesterday's banning and unbanning.
What I'm expecting are KarnTCG decks (Tron and Whirza), Control and midrange decks trying Stoneforge, Humans and Spirits coming back with less Awoken Horror in the format, Monastery Swiftspear, and graveyard decks possibly jamming Burning Inquiry. I think this setup covers the bases, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
I haven't played magic in over 4 years. And I've been slowly building a green devotion deck. When I got into Modern last time it was green devotion that got me in. So I thought I would be appropriate to start here again. But oh boy do the modern meta change after yesterday's banning and unbanning.
Yes, I've definitely jammed 2 Veils in my sideboard. Was almost disappointed I didn't get to play against control last night to try it out. Ended up going 4-0 anyways against Dredge, Burn, Humans and Bant Coco Elementals. Write up here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/stompy-green-devotion/deck-update/248453/
Hornet Queen absolutely ruined some folks' night.
Veil of Summer is excellent.
To answer the question about lands from earlier, seems like there's not much a reason to play Peatland or Grove when you could just play Horizon Canopy and stay in color, but beyond that, Blast Zone or Ghost Quarter/Field of Ruin. Gavony Township is also a card, but maybe not the right fit for this deck.
Without Prime Time in the deck, can you consistently find these utility lands?
How has Gaddock Teeg worked for you? What matchups do you like to bring him in for?
4x Arbor Elf
4x Utopia Sprawl
2x Elvish Mystic
3x Simian Spirit Guide
3x Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
4x Garruk Wildspeaker
2x Cavalier of Thorns
4x Primeval Titan
3x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1x Walking Ballista
Support (9)
4x Oath of Nissa
3x Wayward Swordtooth
1x Vivien Reid
1x Nissa, Vital Force
6x Green Fetch Land
6x Forest
4x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
4x Mosswort Bridge
1x Blast Zone
The deck revolves around being able to fetch, play, and untap lands. I wanted to make it as much “play good cards that happen to have synergy” as possible (where the “combo” is a coincidence of playing the way you would normally play anyways). The only cards I feel are “deck specific” are Kiora, Wayward Swordtooth, the extra Emrakul, and Mosswort Bridge. Mosswort is a Land (so is not asking too much) and the others are otherwise good on their own; so I didn’t feel I had pushed things too hard to justify the Mosswort combo.
You can win the old Fashion way just attacking and overrun with Garruk.
The deck also wins casting Emrakul. You do so either via Mosswort Bridge (as it casts the card rather than just putting it in play. I’ve even won several games just hard-casting Emrakul :). 15-mana is surprisingly possible by turn 4 (sometimes even turn 3).
I wanted to get a few Tireless Tracker and a Nissa, Vastwood Seer in there; but they both felt a little too midrange for what the deck is doing. I have been trying trackers in the board.
I’ll try to play it more this evening against the top tier decks and let you know how it goes.
_________
I thought about splashing blue for Kiora, Master of the Depths, Kiora’s Follower, Coiling Oracle? Etc.
The build would be slightly different (you’d probably replace SSG with Oracle, run 1 less Garruk, etc. Youbprobably couldn’t play Blast Zone...
I also thought of playing Knight of the Reliquary; but that felt like a different deck.
I wanted to start Mono-Green first; but may try a few splashes later.
**Edit - Fixed “Swordtooth” **
Congrats! That’s awesome.
I badly want to play Llanowar Tribe again like you do here. Such a great 3-drop. My meta got a little Jund-Heavy and a lot of red was running around between Phoenix and Prison...which led to a lot of bolts...so I had to stop playing it for a bit. I hope the Hogaak-less meta isn’t too Bolt/Wrenn & Six heavy...but I fear it will be.
We have tools we can use though..Devotion finds a way
Wayward Swordtooth
I made the same mistake, my whole post was full of references to Ravenous Hydra for a while. That's not a thing.
Anyway,
Currently I run a singleton Nissa, Vital Force in my Eladamri's Call list. She fills a dual role of recursion and haste threat, but the fact that I can't call her means I might just want to split her into an Eternal Witness and a haste threat somewhere in the 75. This is most often relevant against a control player that tapped low on their turn for a walker or a verdict, and I want to punish them for it.
Mistcutter Hydra and Shifting Ceratops
+ Protection from blue has extra utility in the matchup.
+ Both are mana sinks
- Pro blue doesn't do as much as I'd like. The protection stops them from getting bounced, but not pathed, settled, or verdicted.
Ravager Wurm
+ Big
+ Easy to get 2-for-1 by either fighting a creature+attack a walker, or attack walker+destroy Colonnade.
+ More utility in other matchups.
- Calling it requires 8 mana and is color-intensive.
- No evasion or protection.
Gaea's Revenge
+ Lots of Power
+ Hard to get rid of.
- Expensive.
- No trample.
Bloodbraid Elf
+ Not that expensive
- Green Devotion has a lot of poor cascade hits.
Vengevine
+ Recursive threats have tons of utility in other matchups.
- Play pattern makes me worried about overextending into verdict.
- Can't do anything stupid with it w/out discard outlets.
Gruul Spellbreaker
+ Shuts down Settle the Wreckage
+ Trample
- Not sure what else that ability is good for.
Regisaur Alpha
+ Two bodies.
- Just a dumb beater.
Grand Warlord Radha
+ Makes mana
- Not sure the deck goes wide enough to make good use of the ability.
That seems like most of the relevant haste creatures for us. I am leaning towards Ravager Wurm or Shifting Ceratops as of now, but I'd like to hear what you guys think. Did I miss any I should consider?
Thanks for the shoutout. With only 10-20 players on any given night at my shop, it's easier for me to dodge Phoenix matchups, and we only have 1 regular on Jund, so its pretty Tribe-friendly right now. Usually if I'm on Primal Command, I can get enough reach on Jund to grind them, but Command is poor against control, which is more common at my LGS.
@Aethelianmage
If you want a hasty option to fight control, maybe try Rhythm of the Wild? If you can get it to stick, it blanks all their countermagic and then ALL your creatures can have haste.
Rhythm is a strong card, but I am specifically looking for something to hit with Eladamri's Call.
@Curdbros
How good has blast zone been for you? I'm wondering if I should put one in my deck. I have plenty of titans to fetch it with, but also intensive colored-mana requirements, though less so since I'm on Garruk over Tribe
It’s just a great “catch all” answer against (a) decks that go wide and (b) difficult to answer permanents.
It is difficult, however, to play more than 4-5 non-green sources. We already play 4 Nykthos...so we really only get one utility slot before we get into “really greedy” territory. I like it as my 1-of. I know most prefer Kessig Wolf Run (and you may be able to get away with both if you play more lands) but this far its been a great card. It gives us removal without having to splash a color.
I’m not certain Mosswort Bridge is even needed in the deck :). I found myself being able to simply hard-cast Emrakul :). Between Nykthos and Blast Zone...that may be enough to make it worth it.
i like your list but have you thought of using Nissa, Who Shakes the World?
I found her to be useful when playing primal surge. Her or primeval titan were the mid range card that if they stick you win by enabling a high mana cost finisher like surge. In your build im certain you'd see similar out come in powering out emrakul .
I just worry so much about being the “best X” deck that I box myself in I think. I don’t want to be a “worse Karn deck” or a “worse Primeval Titan
Deck”, etc....so I’m always trying to loom where Devotion can get an edge no other deck can. Obviously we can generate more mana than any other deck out there by turn 4 (and sometimes turn 3)...but that only means something if (a) you can get to turn four and (b) you can do so consistently without (c) being able to be interacted with too easily.
I put one in tonight and it performed extremely well. May have to try 2 copies.
I don’t want to make it sound like this deck is viable yet as I haven’t tested or tuned it nearly enough...but I am learning a lot about synergies between cards. I did a lot with Nissa Vital Force’s emblem tonight.
I’ve been pretty impressed with Cavalier of Thorns as well. Idk if it’s just the games I’ve played and not having a huge sample size...but he’s been quite strong.
Yeah....the initial idea was trying to focus on Mosswort Bridge...so i wanted it to both (a) get into play even if you had already played a land that turn and drew it, and (b) his 5-power is always “on” (even if he can’t attack or block) so he was a good Mosswort option.
You are right though that we tend to function extremely well on only a few lands. I will try switching them out for an additional Blast Zone, a few Forests, and maybe one other utility land...
The goal is hit 10 mana and win with primal surge as you already known. However I'm working in fields of the dead in this current list since a large portion of the strategy is to use Primeval titan to achieve 10 mana or more, otherwise make creatures and beat down. 1 wrenn and six to goes with the theme if things grind out, if you get it early its more ramp, I only have the 1 so far.
i'm back to liliana vess for the vampiric tutor effect.
However i've been back and forth between running her or Karn, the great creator since karn can make a wish board that wins the game as well. Goes with the theme get a lot of mana and win. He also gets you sideboard tech, like trinisphere or ensnaring bridge from sideboard.
You land titan or nissa, who shakes the world and you are typically at the 10 mana position you want. It's trickier, but 3/3 lands can do a lot as well.
main win combo is still laboratory maniac primal surge empties the deck. then the draw effect of wall of blossoms wins on the spot.
1 birds of paradise
3 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Laboratory Maniac
3 wall of blossoms
1 Thragtusk
4 Primeval Titan
1 Platinum Angel
4 Rune-Scarred Demon
2 Liliana Vess
3 nissa, who shakes the world
1 wrenn and six
4 Utopia Sprawl
2 Overgrowth
1 Asceticism
2 field of the dead
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Breeding Pool
1 Field of Ruin
2 Forest
2 snow-covered forest
1 Kessig Wolf Run
2 Misty Rainforest
2 woodedfoot hills
3 Overgrown Tomb
1 Polluted Delta
2 verdent catacomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 snow-covered swamp
1 blood crypt
Nissa, Who Shakes the World has proven to be quite powerful. I’m up to 2 copies.
What's your Karn decklist?
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
1 Giver of Runes
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Voracious Hydra
1 World Breaker
2 Collector Ouphe
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Magus of the Moon
1 Knight of Autumn
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Shifting Ceratops
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Damping Sphere
What I'm expecting are KarnTCG decks (Tron and Whirza), Control and midrange decks trying Stoneforge, Humans and Spirits coming back with less Awoken Horror in the format, Monastery Swiftspear, and graveyard decks possibly jamming Burning Inquiry. I think this setup covers the bases, but I'd like to know what you guys think.
Welcome back!! So glad you’re here.
So there was a 5-0 on 08/27:
https://mtgdecks.net/Modern/osmanozguney-5-0-decklist-by-osmanozguney-818426
Looks like just really great value Devotion with no frills. I like it!
I’ll post latest list ASAP (testing two styles now)