Yeah, but let's face it: we've been getting PWs generally one mana undercosted forever. I'm not upset with this card, since we have so many good PW options already.
These might be the starter deck Walkers, which are always abysmal.
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LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
While I'm not sure this card is meant for Green Devotion, it seems like a really sweet card. Versatile. A strict upgrade from Commune with Nature
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Rendroc, where did you get the spoilers for Domri and Dovin? I can't quite make out the edition # on Domri, but based on the effects, he definitely seems like a Planeswalker deck card to me. Dope name though.
EDIT: Just found a source, they are indeed PW deck cards. Thank goodness.
LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I have BIG hopes for the “real” Domri :). Unfortunately, He likely will either be riot-specific or a “blanket” walker (+ ability to accrue small card advantage, - that is removal for permanents..likely artifacts/Enchantments...then an emblem that takes over the game but not necessarily an “auto win”) like a majority of Walkers have been recently.
I want a fling efffect (or better yet a Soul’s Fire effect); but it would also be cool if he was a combo with Doubling Season or if he as just a great “all around” Walker. Fingers crossed
Let’s just go with Christmas-land and say he’ll be a 2-drop Walker (GR)...2-cmc would fit right in a lot of my decks :). Ha! The nice thing is we don’t have to wait long. Spoiler season will be pretty fast this set.
It does not look like it fired (I set it back after it took up too much space); but I’ll be back tonight and just put the bottom chunk under a spoiler tag so it’s up and readable (I can make adjustments while it’s up)...sorry for delay. Had my last trip for at least 6 months (thank god) over the holidays. I’ll post it back up tonight and we can add to/change it via debate the next few days.
I’ll be able to be more active now; sonthe changes to the new primer can be made instantly.
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I’m looking forward to Riot. I assume Grull Spellbreaker is the “flagship” riot rare; but maybe they will have a mythic or another constructed-power riot card in the set.
I’m a fan if any creature (creature simply because things like Oath, Pact, and multiple Walkers “hit” creatures when they don’t hit non-creatures) that:
A. Draws cards on CAST (value if countered)
B. scales
C. Has Evasion.
May have to try it out in my normal Genesis Hydra slot (although I do like the Hydra into walker play). Not crazy; but fun design for a scaling card.
Likely not powerful enough for us as
1. it’s not back-breaking at 6-cmc
2. It doesn’t have potential to win the turn you cast it
May end up being a great sideboard option for Control though. That likely is where I will be trying it.
P.S. re- firing the Primer at 6:00 pm my time. Made some big changes to reduce the size.
Feels like something we could take advantage of The land thing is awesome in certain scenarios; but also a little strict...but the fight is nice as "creture removal".
Many of these castinc costs also make me feel like we may see Devotion again in the next set...fingers crossed!
P.S. Working on small fixes to Primer now. Will send message when up this morning/early afternoon (you may see it every once and a while pop up as I try to see how it looks, but I will let you know when it is actually "set").
Ravager Wurm is a little bit strict. i like more Acidic Slime to remove any land , because he is far more flexible. And Deathtouch kills any attacker, too.
"Guardian's Plan"
3G
Enchantment
Whenever a non-token creature enters the battlefield under your control, if that create does not share a name with another creature you control or have in your graveyard, draw a card.
Maybe something fun with Cloudstone Curio could be easily doing some absurd lethal turns.
As Example: Hidden Herbalists and Burning-Tree Emissary for example to draw the entire Deck, to play all the others Emissary's and Herbalits, to activate Nykthos, into Craterhoof Behemoth.
Con: Need a lot Setup, two different creatures and these creatures don't be in the graveyard.
Ok, finally a interesting card to brew around, that make me as a brewer happy. The spiker in me is still unimpressed at the moment.
One of my fave cards spoiled so far, some really sweet cards in this set. I'm a huge fan of Mystic Snake, and this is a basically a better mystic snake. Better subtypes and 1 more power. For devotion decks, this adds an addition green devotion. I already have a temur Flash Devotion deck, one of my fave devotion decks to play, with 4x Mystic Snake, which will probably be replaced with this card.
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LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
Wow...that is a very powerful effect. May have to try this out in the board at least.
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Not sure if I agree that Decimator is better than End Run Razers...I think they are just different. I get that it is on a "cast" trigger; but without something to sac to it (giving you one less creature), Decimator costs 2 more mana and does not give (or have) vigilance. It is at least closer to me than simply saying Decimator is the better choice. Decimator has a more "flexible" cost; but it comes at a high cost (you have to have a creature with a high enough CMC which you then get rid of...which weakens an overru. Without Emerging it, however, it is more expensive by 2-mana...The cast trigger is a big pro in a control heavy environment though. Obviously ETB is not the end of the world (as that is how Craterhoof works and we play it); but I could see metas where Decimator would be the better budget option. Either way, it is great that budge players now have options at the top!
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P.S. That 3-drop enchantment that makes all creatures uncounterable AND gives all creatures Riot (or essentiall all creatures haste is really cool. I love haste-enablers..and having the bonus "can't be countered" is really useful. It is always REALLY difficult to get enchantments like that to a power level of playability (essentially they never work); but it could be fun in "brews" (especially in Genesis Wave brews where everything that hits gets haste).
Electrodominance and Knollspine Dragon I posted in the rumor area. Not sure there really is a deck there, but dumping mana into Electro, getting a big dragon and 7 cards out of it sounds intriguing. Probably more casual.
One of my fave cards spoiled so far, some really sweet cards in this set. I'm a huge fan of Mystic Snake, and this is a basically a better mystic snake. Better subtypes and 1 more power. For devotion decks, this adds an addition green devotion. I already have a temur Flash Devotion deck, one of my fave devotion decks to play, with 4x Mystic Snake, which will probably be replaced with this card.
You did have a really cool flash list a while back...this is probably a great addition. Excited to see the new list
Sup guys. I've taken a more midrangy approach with this deck, focusing less on the big payoff and playing some value cards. This deck gets beat pretty bad when our early ramp is disrupted. More often than not we're stuck on 3~4 mana and full of uncastable bombs in our hand. Moreover, this deck doesn't interact very well with the opponent's board, usually we win by overpowering the board more than controlling it, which can be a problem in a metagame full of efficient creatures like Thing in the Ice and Death's Shadow.
1) Primeval Titan + Kessig Wolf Run finish has been pretty good. Sometimes they can deal with your big boys, but your Birds to Paradise can fly over with Kessig.
2) Tireless Tracker is probably best card in the deck, it lets you win the card advantage battle against other midrange or control decks. The list has been running pretty fine, except against bad matchups like UR Phoenix and some combos.
3) Steel Leaf Champion steals more wins than you can imagine. It often comes turn 2, which puts a huge pressure on the board, mainly due to the unblockable effect against small creatures. 3 devotion to Nykthos in a very welcome, pretty all-around card for the strategy.
4) Heavy removal package on the sideboard. Some creature heavy archtypes can be very hard to disrupt, Elves and Humans needs to be controlled early or they'll overpower you in no time. Firespout is easy on the splash mana, and it's very useful against Spirits. Abrade doubles as removal and artifact hate, which can be relevant in some matchups.
I actually quite like what you've done here. I've been on the value-path recently too (although mine is more in the form of Acidic Slime, Walking Ballista, etc.) but I think we have enough options now to play "Green Control". Where the options for destroying most permanents (creatures, artifacts, enchantments, lands etc.) are so versatile while also being creatures; that we can play the overrun game while ALSO keeping the opponent off their game plan. It has been working out quite well for me lately; and from the sounds of it you are having success with the above. Please post more about the performance of the list (I'm interested to hear about some of the card choices and their play).
I figured I'd post some of the more unique lists I've built that you may not have added to the Primer yet that I think are good enough already to put there.
LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I completely agree that the brewer in me has seen some really fun cards (the new Fires of Yavimaya, etc.) but the Spike in me not so much...I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a great Domri
Working on Primer now. Will update you when it is up.
Electrodominance and Knollspine Dragon I posted in the rumor area. Not sure there really is a deck there, but dumping mana into Electro, getting a big dragon and 7 cards out of it sounds intriguing. Probably more casual.
I think Electrodominance has potential in a big mana deck. The fact that it can be removal early, while also help you progress your board, and then do some busted thing late-game or just burn the opponent out makes it very interesting.
Like you can cast x=1 or 2 and then cast a mana dork for free in the early game which is not a bad play.
LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
Nykthos is not so important in this deck and I've been thinking trying Raging Ravine instead of it. Has anybody here experience with Raging Ravine in Tooth and Nail?
Silhana Wayfinder
1G
Creature - Elf Scout
When Silhana Wayfinder enters the battlefield, look at the top 4 cards of your library. You may reveal a creature or land card and put it on top of your library. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Now this is a sweet card. Actually competes with Visionary at the 2 drop slot.
It's kind of weak to JaceTMS, and Thoughtscour keep in mind.
LEGACY: Soldier Stompy WW // Blue Stompy UU // Fit Variants BGRW // Sol Land Brews BGRUWC MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
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Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
While I'm not sure this card is meant for Green Devotion, it seems like a really sweet card. Versatile. A strict upgrade from Commune with Nature
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
EDIT: Just found a source, they are indeed PW deck cards. Thank goodness.
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I want a fling efffect (or better yet a Soul’s Fire effect); but it would also be cool if he was a combo with Doubling Season or if he as just a great “all around” Walker. Fingers crossed
Let’s just go with Christmas-land and say he’ll be a 2-drop Walker (GR)...2-cmc would fit right in a lot of my decks :). Ha! The nice thing is we don’t have to wait long. Spoiler season will be pretty fast this set.
It does not look like it fired (I set it back after it took up too much space); but I’ll be back tonight and just put the bottom chunk under a spoiler tag so it’s up and readable (I can make adjustments while it’s up)...sorry for delay. Had my last trip for at least 6 months (thank god) over the holidays. I’ll post it back up tonight and we can add to/change it via debate the next few days.
I’ll be able to be more active now; sonthe changes to the new primer can be made instantly.
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I’m looking forward to Riot. I assume Grull Spellbreaker is the “flagship” riot rare; but maybe they will have a mythic or another constructed-power riot card in the set.
I’m a fan if any creature (creature simply because things like Oath, Pact, and multiple Walkers “hit” creatures when they don’t hit non-creatures) that:
A. Draws cards on CAST (value if countered)
B. scales
C. Has Evasion.
May have to try it out in my normal Genesis Hydra slot (although I do like the Hydra into walker play). Not crazy; but fun design for a scaling card.
Likely not powerful enough for us as
1. it’s not back-breaking at 6-cmc
2. It doesn’t have potential to win the turn you cast it
May end up being a great sideboard option for Control though. That likely is where I will be trying it.
P.S. re- firing the Primer at 6:00 pm my time. Made some big changes to reduce the size.
Feels like something we could take advantage of
Many of these castinc costs also make me feel like we may see Devotion again in the next set...fingers crossed!
P.S. Working on small fixes to Primer now. Will send message when up this morning/early afternoon (you may see it every once and a while pop up as I try to see how it looks, but I will let you know when it is actually "set").
Ravager Wurm is a little bit strict. i like more Acidic Slime to remove any land , because he is far more flexible. And Deathtouch kills any attacker, too.
Maybe something fun with Cloudstone Curio could be easily doing some absurd lethal turns.
As Example: Hidden Herbalists and Burning-Tree Emissary for example to draw the entire Deck, to play all the others Emissary's and Herbalits, to activate Nykthos, into Craterhoof Behemoth.
Con: Need a lot Setup, two different creatures and these creatures don't be in the graveyard.
Ok, finally a interesting card to brew around, that make me as a brewer happy. The spiker in me is still unimpressed at the moment.
One of my fave cards spoiled so far, some really sweet cards in this set. I'm a huge fan of Mystic Snake, and this is a basically a better mystic snake. Better subtypes and 1 more power. For devotion decks, this adds an addition green devotion. I already have a temur Flash Devotion deck, one of my fave devotion decks to play, with 4x Mystic Snake, which will probably be replaced with this card.
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
Wow...that is a very powerful effect. May have to try this out in the board at least.
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Not sure if I agree that Decimator is better than End Run Razers...I think they are just different. I get that it is on a "cast" trigger; but without something to sac to it (giving you one less creature), Decimator costs 2 more mana and does not give (or have) vigilance. It is at least closer to me than simply saying Decimator is the better choice. Decimator has a more "flexible" cost; but it comes at a high cost (you have to have a creature with a high enough CMC which you then get rid of...which weakens an overru. Without Emerging it, however, it is more expensive by 2-mana...The cast trigger is a big pro in a control heavy environment though. Obviously ETB is not the end of the world (as that is how Craterhoof works and we play it); but I could see metas where Decimator would be the better budget option. Either way, it is great that budge players now have options at the top!
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P.S. That 3-drop enchantment that makes all creatures uncounterable AND gives all creatures Riot (or essentiall all creatures haste
You did have a really cool flash list a while back...this is probably a great addition. Excited to see the new list
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I actually quite like what you've done here. I've been on the value-path recently too (although mine is more in the form of Acidic Slime, Walking Ballista, etc.) but I think we have enough options now to play "Green Control". Where the options for destroying most permanents (creatures, artifacts, enchantments, lands etc.) are so versatile while also being creatures; that we can play the overrun game while ALSO keeping the opponent off their game plan. It has been working out quite well for me lately; and from the sounds of it you are having success with the above. Please post more about the performance of the list (I'm interested to hear about some of the card choices and their play).
G/B Counters Constrictor Devotion
// 23 Creature
4 Arbor Elf
2 Birds of Paradise
4 Walking Ballista
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Hornet Queen
1 Wolfbriar Elemental
2 Jadelight Ranger
4 Winding Constrictor
1 Verdurous Gearhulk
1 Acidic Slime
// 7 Enchantment
4 Utopia Sprawl
3 Oath of Nissa
2 Summoner's Pact
// 21 Land
4 Forest
2 Stomping Ground
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Kessig Wolf Run
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Temple Garden
// 7 Planeswalker
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
3 Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Obstinate Baloth
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Alpine Moon
2 Abrade
2 Bonfire of the Damned
2 Crumble to Dust
1 Creeping Corrosion
Temur Flash Devotion
// 24 Creature
4 Arbor Elf
3 Birds of Paradise
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Hornet Queen
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Mystic Snake
1 Samut, Voice of Dissent
4 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Acidic Slime
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
// 7 Enchantment
4 Utopia Sprawl
3 Oath of Nissa
2 Summoner's Pact
// 21 Land
3 Breeding Pool
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Forest
2 Stomping Ground
4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
// 6 Planeswalker
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Carnage Tyrant
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Kitchen Finks
2 Blood Moon
2 Abrade
2 Negate
2 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Crumble to Dust
Maybe with Frilled Mystic instead of Mystic Snake.
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
I completely agree that the brewer in me has seen some really fun cards (the new Fires of Yavimaya, etc.) but the Spike in me not so much...I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a great Domri
Working on Primer now. Will update you when it is up.
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What a fun idea! I like it.
Like you can cast x=1 or 2 and then cast a mana dork for free in the early game which is not a bad play.
It's possible we should be brewing with the ol' Rosheen Meanderer.
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC
4 Utopia Sprawl
2 Birds of Paradise
4 Overgrowth
3 Voyaging Satyr
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Emrakul, the Promised End
1 Xenagos, God of Revels
1 Hornet Queen
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1 Acidic Slime
1 Summoner's Pact
4 Primeval Titan
4 Tooth and Nail
2 Lightning Bolt
10 Forest
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Stomping Ground
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Nature's Claim
2 Blood Moon
2 Damping Sphere
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Abrade
1 Kitchen Finks
2 Thragtusk
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Grafdigger's Cage
Nykthos is not so important in this deck and I've been thinking trying Raging Ravine instead of it. Has anybody here experience with Raging Ravine in Tooth and Nail?
Re: Electrodominance: I'm not sure this is actually better than Genesis Hydra or Genesis Wave for us.
Re: Discord: Since I'm lately drifting away from Modern, does someone want to take over management of the server for this archetype?
Modern: Merfolk UU // Green Devotion GG // SkRed Red RR
Legacy: Death & Taxes WW // Burn RR // Death's Shadow Delver UB
Commander: Brago UW // Karlov WB
Silhana Wayfinder
1G
Creature - Elf Scout
When Silhana Wayfinder enters the battlefield, look at the top 4 cards of your library. You may reveal a creature or land card and put it on top of your library. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Now this is a sweet card. Actually competes with Visionary at the 2 drop slot.
It's kind of weak to JaceTMS, and Thoughtscour keep in mind.
MODERN: Pure Pili-ness GU // Red Devotion RR // Green Devotion Variants GRWUG // U/G Emerge CGU // Lots and Lots of Brews BGRUWC