Most time, this deck wasn't a Devotion Deck. But i realized i must fast up the whole Deck (with ramp). And the pseudo Loop between Wittness, Collected Company and tons of copy cards is too funny, but need a lot Mana, too.
If you don't want to read the History , how i build this deck, skip this Textblock
Foe me, one of the greatest highlights was the Deck about CoCoClones from SafronOlive from the Goldfish site. I copy the Deck and brewed around with some cards.
I tried a lot for Plan B. A strong 3 Drop that is worth to copy multiple times that can win alone the Match Biovisionary
First choice was Timberpack Wolf, but if you copy mutiple it is still to weak and the effect is surprisingly rare. Tarmogoyf is always strong, but with a little bit graveyard hate or dicipline from the Opponent it could be not that big as i like. I'm really didn't fill my Graveyard that heavy and i don't want it. Ok, next One: Nulltread Gargantuan. The Drawback is hard, but it can "reset" my Copy creatures and is has pseudo haste with Renegade Doppelganger. A 5/6 is a Tarmogoyf only in a Midrange in a Jund deck - but still not woth the drawback. Nightveil Specter was fun, but not strong enough. A jump to the future: Ravnica again ! Thief of Sanity is so much better and can be a real horror for your opponent, as long he didn't had any fliers or a weird deck with nothing worth to copy.
With the blacksplash Pack rat is famous for copys . I'm still not sure, bescause to discard a card for 2B or copy it with Mirror Image for example, where the advantage is . Maybe with Training Grounds and Shapesharer...more "setup" . I need it simple.
At last, my final choice so far, Steel Leaf Champion! Undercost hard beater with Evasion . And it worked very well. I just beat a fast aggro Goblin Deck with it. With so much G Symbols i must add Nykthos in this Deck.
The Deck is a improvment of the original CoCoClones (link see above). Any Matchups with big creatures is a great Matchup, or we copy our own "fattie". And it is really fun to play with ton of surprisings, and every Matchup felt completly different.
Sideboard is still under big construction. But i think there are some cool ideas. Unmoored Ego for example kills most Combo Decks in a instant.
Biovisionary is a) your win-condition b) magnet for removals - both is pretty ok for me.
The Ramp is very clear . With some Exception. First it worked a bit later as usual and sometimes there are some shenanigans with your copy creatures. Renegade Doppelganger can be Arbor Elf and/or bit later something with more G Symbols that can be fine with Nykthos. Sometimes you must think a lot more to adding the Numbers you need.
The Copy creatures just doing a fine Job. Especially if you had great targets.
Thief of Sanity is fanatastic against every Deck that work with "Good Stuff" like Jund or UW Control
Steel Leaf Champion a little bit hard to cast, but a good beater, and he got good friends in a short amount of time . And great source for the devotion mechanic to finish the game.
Would be a lot work to build a good working version of it and all the new impressions. A month later Hoogland was doing a version withoutBiovisionary and (sadly) not surprisingly without Nykthos. the greater idea behind was to get more Value targets for all the copy effects and the " Witness / Company Loop "
In my (old) version i used the Steel Leaf Champion for value and as a backup plan . With the color white i will add Knight of the Reliquary , of course , that worked great with Nykthos.
One of my new idea is to use the following card as a "secret" weapon. rally the ancestors instead of Mirrorweave. rally is still good, even without visionary on board and can't be "countered" with a removal on the target creature. As a bonus: 1 Turn a lot devotion for Nykthos .
Happy Brewing if you trying a take
I will post my result if i liked my experiment
May be time for our Wheel of Sun and Moon again :). I added some to the board and they have been good (although having it and Scavenging Ooze is a lot I know).
Can I ask where is the Primer CurdBros? I don't really see any updated version, as the one on the first page here wasn't updated since 2016.
I feel like playing Planeswalker devotion tomorrow (the list you posted some pages ago, "Walker Devotion Combo V9.2"). Could you share a sideboard? Unfortunetelly without playing with it I can only guess what should be there.
I can see it via the Preview function; but the bottom third (since I added drop downs and videos) has all the bars and / things (I’ve formatted it incorrectly). I have it on word and will post it when I’m back to my office computer. Right now it would take up way too much space as it is.
Approx. 4 hours...running all of the new images through Imgur now but the text and current links (although some will be added after the Primer is uploaded) are done.
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Got two hours in today...should be able to get another 2-3 in tomorrow to get it done.
I've beens struggling against bant spirits lately at my local store and I was wondering if Scryb Ranger might make a difference against decks that fly.
on top of having flash and flying he can untap arbor elf and voyaging satyr, inceasing a turns mana/untaps.
I've beens struggling against bant spirits lately at my local store and I was wondering if Scryb Ranger might make a difference against decks that fly.
on top of having flash and flying he can untap arbor elf and voyaging satyr, inceasing a turns mana/untaps.
I've actually been debating on toying with the lil' ranger but I find I want a Mom effect for us which i dent expect to get any time soon. In my current list I have nothing that really gets assisted in adding Scyrb other than having 'vigilance'.
I do think this is worth thinking about especially because it allows us to consider certain cards that may be lackluster otherwise like kiora's follower or voyaging satyr
its not necessarily kosher to run voyaging satyr over something like birds of paradise for your extra mana dorks, but i'm considering it since untap effects are the superior pathway to mana ramping.
scryb ranger really can't work with just arbor elf alone. with only a mana dork like birds of paradise the ranger at best only untaps and nets an extra 1 mana from the bird. if its a turn where you have a mana drop available, then ok it returns forest for a reply of the same forest for an extra 2 mana over all. but situational. untap target land is what makes it really produce.
I'm playing Bant Spirits, too . With a Meta with 8% ( source: http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO) maybe some Sideboard Slots are a good idea.
Here some thoughts about fliers hate:
I would very scared about Cloudthresher, but sadly 2 Damage isn't enough with all the Lords . But green had a lot very good fliers hate cards. Like the classics Windstorm, or Hurricane. A very slow option is Arashi, the Sky Asunder if you didn't use the Channel Ability.
Some early plays like Raking Canopy or Trophy Hunter helps. Raking give you enough time to overcome the attacking, hexproof don't work and give 2 Devotion, Trophy Hunter needs real fast Mana before the spirit player protect his Spirits with hexproof.
sidenote: about Trophy Hunter. I just had an idea with Wind Zendikon. Just kill all the Lands with the Hunter. Very Mana intensiv, but repeatibly. Drawback: creature removal on the hunter destroy this combo.
Some really cool cards against flyers. I did not know about Scryb Ranger, syngerizes nicely with Landfall creatures.
Just wanted to add Avatar of the Resolute as a good option against flyers. Synergizes well with Scavenging Ooze, which seems like a maindeckable card in the current competitive meta.
Excited for the new primer, thanks for all your work curdbros.
PRIMER IS DONE! Will be up tomorrow at approximately 3:00 PM (just have to reduce the card images to get the primer down to under one page). I will post again (my next post) when it is up.
Hi, long time lurker, and of course exited about the new primer!
The primer - Last edited by CurdBros: Aug 19, 2016 <-- Probably a stupid question, this date will change when it's updated right, or is the primer already changed?
While that was its own deck type. I was thinking it might pair well with devotion spamming Burning-Tree Emissary after all convoke kind of goes with devotion.
PRIMER IS DONE! Will be up tomorrow at approximately 3:00 PM (just have to reduce the card images to get the primer down to under one page). I will post again (my next post) when it is up.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5-p4ObbYrXU
Would be a lot work to build a good working version of it and all the new impressions. A month later Hoogland was doing a version without Biovisionary and (sadly) not surprisingly without Nykthos. the greater idea behind was to get more Value targets for all the copy effects and the " Witness / Company Loop "
In my (old) version i used the Steel Leaf Champion for value and as a backup plan . With the color white i will add Knight of the Reliquary , of course , that worked great with Nykthos.
One of my new idea is to use the following card as a "secret" weapon.
rally the ancestors instead of Mirrorweave. rally is still good, even without visionary on board and can't be "countered" with a removal on the target creature. As a bonus: 1 Turn a lot devotion for Nykthos .
Happy Brewing if you trying a take
I will post my result if i liked my experiment
Can I ask where is the Primer CurdBros? I don't really see any updated version, as the one on the first page here wasn't updated since 2016.
I feel like playing Planeswalker devotion tomorrow (the list you posted some pages ago, "Walker Devotion Combo V9.2"). Could you share a sideboard? Unfortunetelly without playing with it I can only guess what should be there.
Where is the primer?
@Pedros...I will provide the board for my Walkers decks this evening ASAP (just focused on the primer right now so it gets up).
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Got two hours in today...should be able to get another 2-3 in tomorrow to get it done.
on top of having flash and flying he can untap arbor elf and voyaging satyr, inceasing a turns mana/untaps.
in theroy he could also carry over kessig wolf run
I've actually been debating on toying with the lil' ranger but I find I want a Mom effect for us which i dent expect to get any time soon. In my current list I have nothing that really gets assisted in adding Scyrb other than having 'vigilance'.
I do think this is worth thinking about especially because it allows us to consider certain cards that may be lackluster otherwise like kiora's follower or voyaging satyr
scryb ranger really can't work with just arbor elf alone. with only a mana dork like birds of paradise the ranger at best only untaps and nets an extra 1 mana from the bird. if its a turn where you have a mana drop available, then ok it returns forest for a reply of the same forest for an extra 2 mana over all. but situational. untap target land is what makes it really produce.
Here some thoughts about fliers hate:
I would very scared about Cloudthresher, but sadly 2 Damage isn't enough with all the Lords . But green had a lot very good fliers hate cards. Like the classics Windstorm, or Hurricane. A very slow option is Arashi, the Sky Asunder if you didn't use the Channel Ability.
Some early plays like Raking Canopy or Trophy Hunter helps. Raking give you enough time to overcome the attacking, hexproof don't work and give 2 Devotion, Trophy Hunter needs real fast Mana before the spirit player protect his Spirits with hexproof.
Silklash Spider , Tornado Elemental seems very nice. But i think Hornet Queenis in most cases better.
The funniest card is this: Sandwurm Convergence, but this would never be happen. expensive, unsearchable and i think it would be countered by Disdainful Stroke. But hell, if you cast this against Spirits it's a autowin .
sidenote: about Trophy Hunter. I just had an idea with Wind Zendikon. Just kill all the Lands with the Hunter. Very Mana intensiv, but repeatibly. Drawback: creature removal on the hunter destroy this combo.
Just wanted to add Avatar of the Resolute as a good option against flyers. Synergizes well with Scavenging Ooze, which seems like a maindeckable card in the current competitive meta.
Excited for the new primer, thanks for all your work curdbros.
The primer - Last edited by CurdBros: Aug 19, 2016 <-- Probably a stupid question, this date will change when it's updated right, or is the primer already changed?
Keep up this awesome thread
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Green Devotion
I saw it in the cragganwick cremator post in deck creation. https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/801006-cragganwick-cremator-tool-box.
While that was its own deck type. I was thinking it might pair well with devotion spamming Burning-Tree Emissary after all convoke kind of goes with devotion.
big thanks you and your hard work.
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