MTG Salvation

This deck is dead in the line of going over the top big never was viable past the first few event.

If you want to go big go tron.
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Then I don't think you are in a position to show me the door when you are playing an archetype I largely helped to create.

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Also I said that the goal should be to find a way to get 6 mana. Nykthos is good in this role because we do not need to run as many ramp spell and can concentrate on establishing a board state while ramping ourself slowly. I think you are right on the path of playing multiple color, Knight of the Reliquary is really viable option since it does everything we need except bring Devotion.

Knight of the Reliquary with fetch can easily turn into a 5/5 and having a tutor for Nykthos is better than running a deck that has no means of looking for it.I think something in the line of :

Turn 1 : Mana Accel
Turn 2 : Knight of the Reliquary
Turn 3 : Thragtusk
Turn 4 : Primeval Titan looking for Utility Lands

Could be played.

Sadly Nykthos do not really shine in this configuration from the lack of Devotion on the board until Turn 5.

We could instead go

Turn 1 : Narnam Renegade or Wild Nacatl
Turn 2 : Burning-Tree Emissary or/and Strangleroot Geist
Turn 3 : Knight of the Reliquary
Turn 4 : Primeval Titan
Turn 5 : Kessig Wolf Run for X = 10 by Activating Nykthos using Knight of the Reliquary to Fetch an other Nykthos with 5 devotion on the board.

This list would remove mana dork and be overall more competitive.

Devoted Druid is an other deck if you want to play Devoted Druid go play collected company.


Here's a good decklist that would work:



Eventually we also get Steel Leaf Champion instead of the Leatherback.

I think playing some Rancor would be better over the Aspect of Hydra since it will help with our lower cost creature in this type of deck and it also gives devotion.

This could be a good list post damping sphere but I need to do some testing.

I do not think Tooth and Nail is better post Damping Sphere.



This list is fine and gives turn 5 kills but I still need to adjust some numbers.

I also think Kitchen Finks might be better over the Baloth.

I would probably play a full playset of wild nacatl and maybe 1 more harmonize.

Quote from Amiko92 »

hi guy!!!

IMO damping sphere will unfotunately hurt a lot us and favor control decks, so that I'm considering to switch to a T&N version that should be less affected.

Might someone post a competitive list that has been having results in the current meta?

Thanks

Luca

Hi Luca, you can find pretty standard T&N lists on the front page of the primer. There haven't been any recent results with T&N unfortunately, but the primer is a good place for you to start.

One of the issues I see with using Titan to fetch Nykthos is that Titan itself costs 6 Mana, so we're probably in good shape before we cast it.

We may have to start looking at Nykthos as just another piece of ramp technology rather than the centerpiece.

I concur with the idea of pivoting back towards Druid in those decks that want to cast high-mana spells. Druid on its own can get a Titan or Tyrant resolved on turn 4, and that counts for something.

You are using Knight to fetch Nykthos then you use Titan to fetch Red source + Kessig Wolf run

The issue with Devoted Druid is that it's 2 mana, so your turn 1 mana ramp is useless.

Obviously you can play Oath of Nissa but you need 9 turn 1 play.

Joraga Treespeaker could be your 5-8 Devoted Druid if you want to persist in that direction, for my part I'll keep brewing on my Nykthos Zoo.

@Walk, if I may, you should stop calling people "Timmys". It just makes you pass off as conceited. Having helped to create the archetype doesn't give you the right to be agressive

Now I'm hearing your arguments, future sure looks grim for the previous versions of the deck, if there's any.

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@Walk, if I may, you should stop calling people "Timmys". It just makes you pass off as conceited. Having helped to create the archetype doesn't give you the right to be agressive

Now I'm hearing your arguments, future sure looks grim for the previous versions of the deck, if there's any.

Naw Timmy isnt an insult it's a type of player.

If you feel that I am being aggressive then you probably assume I am while reading my post.

Also I'm not conceited.. but this deck havent change since I've stopped working on it 3-4 years ago beside addition of new cards so clearly you guys been lacking creativity.

You are being conceited if you think that you're the reason for any sort of creative evolution of the deck. "Jund hasn't changed since Ravnica was release (x-y) years ago, besides addition of new cards". Do you see how unhelpful that sounds? People tweak decks based on what the deck is trying to do, and to make it more efficient in executing it's gameplan. This deck was born to take advantage of Nykthos, why is it a fault that contributors have cultivated synergies with the devotion gameplan?

Stop acting like you know everything, it doesn't help discussion. End rant.

Also, this entire theory is based on the assumption that Damping Sphere will be widely adopted. We don't know if that will happen, so doomsaying is really just a thought experiment.

now that I know Roaring Primadox exists thanks to that budget green land destruction deck from a few weeks ago. I'm left wondering. where has that card been for all the devotion decks we've made?

this deck runs staples/common cards of elvish visionary, acidic slime, eternal witness, kitchen finks. Essentially Roaring Primadox is a green su'do restoration angel.

why haven't we been running at least one in the deck to get multiple use out of those 4 creatures i listed or others over the years?

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I just thought about Woodland Bellower into Steel Leaf Guardian...lots of power

might as well. that steel leaf champion seems like a lot of power for no draw backs.... are we sure everything that dominaria leak is accurate?
have we done leatherback baloth with woodland bellower before?

There is a lot potential in this green bounce effects.
Not to forget: Stampeding Serow and the same Ruletext: Stampeding Wildebeests . +1 Devotion +1 Power , (little) Downside, it must be a green creature to bounce
Especially the combo with Acidic Slime is a +1 soft lock additional with Eternal Witness + Primal Command

In this configuration could be the Jadelight Ranger be better as the Courser?

A real janky idea as a kill combo:
bounce before echo, cast Timbermare,haste attack with tapped defenders - repeat 4x

Not Janky, but really good: Verdurous Gearhulk , itself a good undercost beater, and with 4x +1/+1 Counters a very good bounce target.

Maybe as a configuration for the Walker Devotion Decks: Maulfist Revolutionary. extra Loyalities counters are always fine.

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Quote from CurdBros »

I just thought about Woodland Bellower into Steel Leaf Guardian...lots of power

might as well. that steel leaf champion seems like a lot of power for no draw backs.... are we sure everything that dominaria leak is accurate?
have we done leatherback baloth with woodland bellower before?

i think we didn't that. The right "toolbox" and Payout for a "Power Matters" deckplan wasn't a Option from a year ago. Imo with Ghalta, Primal Hunger and Rhonas the Indomitable now, there is space for a new Archetyp Devotion Deck. *O-Ton Home Improvment* MORE POWER

We've used Primadox-like effects in the past, see Temur Sabertooth. The issue with Sabertooth and cards like it is that they are incredibly slow to get going. When I went to GP Minneapolis, I ran a singleton Sabertooth to pair with Acidic Slime. It came up once against a Tron player. Against any other interactive matchup, it would likely have been too cute.

Now if you wanted to try out the soft lock, I would say that Sabertooth trumps the other cards. It can protect itself at instant speed, and you don't need to wait a turn to get the ball rolling.

I'm anxious to see if Power-matters Devotion could be a thing Hopefully it's not a glorified Stompy deck though haha

Guys, just a friendly reminder that if you feel someone's behavior is insulting, it is best to not engage and instead let a moderator handle it.

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Maybe we got a surprise present.

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We've used Primadox-like effects in the past, see Temur Sabertooth. The issue with Sabertooth and cards like it is that they are incredibly slow to get going. When I went to GP Minneapolis, I ran a singleton Sabertooth to pair with Acidic Slime. It came up once against a Tron player. Against any other interactive matchup, it would likely have been too cute.

Now if you wanted to try out the soft lock, I would say that Sabertooth trumps the other cards. It can protect itself at instant speed, and you don't need to wait a turn to get the ball rolling.

I'm anxious to see if Power-matters Devotion could be a thing Hopefully it's not a glorified Stompy deck though haha

Dammit...my text is lost. Ok, now in Short:
Your're absolut right. I had totally forgot Sabertooth. As you said, it is too cute. Slow & Mana intensiv.

If Power-Matters maybe a thing. We will see if it be a "Big Stompy Deluxe"

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Our deck seems pretty good at hating Damping Sphere though. There are quite a few permanents that deal with it, adding to our devotion count (either before or after killing it).

It seems an absurdly powerful hate hard. I really like to know why they would print something like this.

We can fight trough this cute hate cards.
Nature's Claim, Seal of Primordium, Ancient Grudge and/or Krosan Grip. And as a new Dominaria addition Broken Bond.
With Utopia Sprawl and Arbor Elf we just do still a good amount Mana. It slow us only a little bit down.

The Reason is very clear. I believe that Storm is going again too strong and Tron as a Tier1 Deck destroy the balance. And Tron is one of the unfair Decks that didn't have good hate cards against Tron.
"Anti Card" in the format (Affinity => Stony Silence, Dredge => Rest in Peace,..) Only Tron wasn't in the focus (Crumble to Dust was mostly to slow)

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You are being conceited if you think that you're the reason for any sort of creative evolution of the deck. "Jund hasn't changed since Ravnica was release (x-y) years ago, besides addition of new cards". Do you see how unhelpful that sounds? People tweak decks based on what the deck is trying to do, and to make it more efficient in executing it's gameplan. This deck was born to take advantage of Nykthos, why is it a fault that contributors have cultivated synergies with the devotion gameplan?

Stop acting like you know everything, it doesn't help discussion. End rant.

Also, this entire theory is based on the assumption that Damping Sphere will be widely adopted. We don't know if that will happen, so doomsaying is really just a thought experiment.

I'm the only one that offered new list, all of you guys done in the past few pages was try to take me down by coming at me insulting me, your post serve zero advance to what was discussed prior.

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"Jund hasn't changed since Ravnica was release (x-y) years ago, besides addition of new cards".

There is a massive difference between a cookie cutter tier 1 deck that always worked and a tier 3 deck that seen no result for the past few years.

I will stop answering people coming at me like that.

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I think the Damping Sphere won't hurt as much if we only try to ramp to 6, obviously it does slow us down a tiny bit but they also wasted a turn trying to set this up.

Seal of Primordium might be the best answer, it gives Devotion + same cost.

Ancient Grudge is also good since only 1 card can get rid of 2 Damping Sphere.

True, damping sphere also affect burn deck.

I think you are right about planeswalker being good against it but most deck running Damping Sphere will also have things to back it up, mostly in term of Fatal Push and the like thus building a board presence might be difficult.It was already quite difficult to build a board presence against various deck without damping sphere.I think going with more resilient devotion like strangleroot geist, kitchen finks and thrun might be a viable option. The deck could transition into a slow pace deck with a big pay off turn 5.

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I messed around with Troll Ascetic, Predator Ooze and Thrun, the Last Troll. Quite a different approach but rather durable. Fetches + Dryad Arbor do work against Diabolic Edict effects. Cantrip creatures are also decent vs 1 on 1 removal.

The mana prodcution might be interesting for things beyong casting stuff. Equiping offensive and defensive (Sword of Fire and Ice and similar), Kessig, Wolf Run, Raging Ravine and perhaps others. Here, 6 mana goes a long way without casting things.

What if we combined this approach with running Sphere ourselves? Sideing out Nykthos for Sphere?

As long as you're not playing a "volume" game, that's fine. We've used Blood Moon to good effect as well.

Try not to be passive-aggressive, guys and gals. While you may not mean to, emotion is hard to communicate over the internet. Be sure to think about what you're saying. Communication is the key to success!

Now back to your regularly scheduled ramp--OH THAT'S A TITAN!!!!

So with the Dominaria pre-release happening on April 21, when do we expect to get the rest of the spoilers for the set? Is it usually 2 weeks out?

That seems pretty close to what I've experienced.