Actually in the current meta, Karn is at his worst right now. I would suggest either the Eldrazi route (Thought-Knot and Smasher, maybe all of it like Eldrazi Tron) or going more comboish. Painter's Servant + Ugin, Primeval Titans + 2 Emrakul, Urborg + Sundering Titan, maybe some Through the Breach. The double Emrakul with Prime Time lets you chain Emmy infinite turns with an Eye of Ugin (legendary rule, and believe me, it is possible and I have done it). I would suggest to put some Karn still into the 75, because when he's good early, he is like god-mode-good.
Greetings
PS: and, to mention it at least, Tooth and Nails + Emrakul + Xenagos, God of Revels
For Burn, Destructive Revelry is often (as far as I saw it) played MD from 2 to 4, Ad Nauseam runs 1-of Slaughter Pact MD, and Eldrazi runs 3-4 Dismember MD, while UW Eldrazi has 3 Dismember + 4 Path to Exile MD, with at least 2 Disenchant SB.
That Eldrazi Tron makes me wonder if it's viable cutting down on the Tron Shell to make it fit with more of the aggressive meta. I mean I'm still
really new to tron and modern in general, so I don't want to be speaking blasphemy or something haha. And it doesn't necessarily have to be
adding more eldrazi, maybe just more threats overall that curve into our usual bigger threats. I am hesitant to say lets add more eyes of ugin
or eldrazi temples until we find out what happens with bannings in april.
TronDrazi and UrzaTron are not the same deck. Urza Tron is dedicated to digging out Tron to play a Turn 3 threat. Tron Drazi is the new colorless Eldrazi deck that incorporates the Tron mana base so that it can play higher mana threats like Oblivion Sower, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion. This means the deck is less about assembling Tron and more about beatdown with higher threats. ((And by the way, it's a lot of fun in a bizarre way. I'll miss it when Eldrazi parts start getting banned.))
Edit: I've been testing this deck that finished 9th Place in the weekend SCG. I think it could use some tweaks, but one possibility of Tron getting through this dark Eldrazi time may be mashing up with the Eldrazi strategy. At the least, I've been having fun, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion has been an all star.
I think he mentioned in his stream he'd probably drop the last timely for another thrag, specifically because of how good it is against eldrazi, although he did say they were both
good in the matchup regardless.
I tried engineered explosives in GW tron, but always found it was really hard to get more than 1 charge on there, pretty flexible card though
At first sight i was really surprised about the EE in the list. But it is the only "sweeper" the GW Tron has, right? Maybe Wrath but that is expensive to cast.. Maybe Rather Bomb is an alternative?
Also i will take my RG List to this weeks FNM again:
So far no Eldrazi in sight in my local meta. We have some burn decks, Jeskai Control, White Weeny, BW Tokens, Affinity and such. Nothing too dangerous for RG Tron except for Burn.
So far there are no Eldrazi Decks in sight. We have some
At first sight i was really surprised about the EE in the list. But it is the only "sweeper" the GW Tron has, right? Maybe Wrath but that is expensive to cast.. Maybe Rather Bomb is an alternative?
Also i will take my RG List to this weeks FNM again:
So far no Eldrazi in sight in my local meta. We have some burn decks, Jeskai Control, White Weeny, BW Tokens, Affinity and such. Nothing too dangerous for RG Tron except for Burn.
So far there are no Eldrazi Decks in sight. We have some
I'm playing tron this week and I'm also not expecting any Eldrazi nonsense. That being said, I expect the meta to be very aggressive and I'm wondering if GW would still be more viable with lots of linear aggro strategies around
I feel in an aggressive meta with let's say Burn, Infect, Affinity RG is the better choice. It plays more sweepers than GW Tron. IMO GW Tron is better for Tron, Eldrazi, Midrange Metas where a Pyroclasm simply doesn't hit as much. Zoo is somewhat a weird case, as Pyroclasm can be great or horrible depending if you're on the draw or the play. I would tend to pack some Firespouts if you expect zoo and want to play RG.
I have 4 SB slots for anti-aggro/burn for GW Tron, right now I'm doing a 2-2 split between timely reinforcements and Thragtusk, but i'm debating just going 4 Thrags, what do you guys think?
Do you guys have any general advice, tips, or guides that I can refer to on how to play against infect? I am just really struggling against just playing against that deck.
I have only played it a handful of times at my LGS. And I'm aware its a tough matchup for sure, but I'm positive I could be just playing against it better.
Do you guys have any general advice, tips, or guides that I can refer to on how to play against infect? I am just really struggling against just playing against that deck.
I have only played it a handful of times at my LGS. And I'm aware its a tough matchup for sure, but I'm positive I could be just playing against it better.
Do you guys think having just 1 Ulamog in the 75 is sufficient? I'm trying to cut 1 card in the deck, and I'm thinking of going down to 1 ulamog from 2 or going to 3 Wurmcoils, but I'm really liking having 4 in the main.
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Greetings
PS: and, to mention it at least, Tooth and Nails + Emrakul + Xenagos, God of Revels
TronDrazi and UrzaTron are not the same deck. Urza Tron is dedicated to digging out Tron to play a Turn 3 threat. Tron Drazi is the new colorless Eldrazi deck that incorporates the Tron mana base so that it can play higher mana threats like Oblivion Sower, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion. This means the deck is less about assembling Tron and more about beatdown with higher threats. ((And by the way, it's a lot of fun in a bizarre way. I'll miss it when Eldrazi parts start getting banned.))
Edit: I've been testing this deck that finished 9th Place in the weekend SCG. I think it could use some tweaks, but one possibility of Tron getting through this dark Eldrazi time may be mashing up with the Eldrazi strategy. At the least, I've been having fun, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion has been an all star.
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GXTronGX
RWxBurnRWx
good in the matchup regardless.
I tried engineered explosives in GW tron, but always found it was really hard to get more than 1 charge on there, pretty flexible card though
Also i will take my RG List to this weeks FNM again:
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Forest
1 Eye of Ugin
2 Ulamog, the ceaseless Hunger
3 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Spellskite
4 Karn Liberated
1 Ugin, the spirit dragon
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Sylvan Scrying
1 Kozilek's Return
1 Warping Wail
3 Oblivion Stone
8 Eggs
4 Expedition Map
1 Life From The Loam
4 Nature's Claim
1 Feed the clan
1 Thragtusk
1 Warping Wail
1 Spellskite
1 Emrakul, the aeons torn
1 Ugin, the spirit dragon
1 Torpor Orb
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Pithing Needle
So far no Eldrazi in sight in my local meta. We have some burn decks, Jeskai Control, White Weeny, BW Tokens, Affinity and such. Nothing too dangerous for RG Tron except for Burn.
So far there are no Eldrazi Decks in sight. We have some
BRGJundGRB
GCTronCG
WBRMardu PyromancerRBW
Legacy:
GElvesG
took a beating from scapeshift ramp however...
also made a main deck change and removed 4x fertile ground in favor of 4x talisman of impulse.
this may require some changes to sideboard, suggestions for improvement to deck and sideboard welcome!
3 Urza's Mine
3 Urza's Power Plant
3 Urza's Tower
4 Eldrazi Temple
1 Wastes
3 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Sea Gate Wreckage
Creatures (19)
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Wall of Roots
3 Primeval Titan
3 World Breaker
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Talisman of Impulse
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
3 Kozilek's Return
3 Oath of Nissa
Planeswalkers (3)
3 Garruk Wildspeaker
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Spellskite
2 Leyline of Lifeforce
2 Pithing Needle
2 Creeping Corrosion
3 Leyline of Sanctity
I'm playing tron this week and I'm also not expecting any Eldrazi nonsense. That being said, I expect the meta to be very aggressive and I'm wondering if GW would still be more viable with lots of linear aggro strategies around
Retired
Legacy:
GRUB Lands
Modern:
U Tron
RG Tron
RG Ponza
BRGJundGRB
GCTronCG
WBRMardu PyromancerRBW
Legacy:
GElvesG
GXTronGX
RWxBurnRWx
Do you guys have any general advice, tips, or guides that I can refer to on how to play against infect? I am just really struggling against just playing against that deck.
I have only played it a handful of times at my LGS. And I'm aware its a tough matchup for sure, but I'm positive I could be just playing against it better.
Here's my decklist for reference.
3x Brushland
4x Chromatic Sphere
4x Chromatic Star
4x Expedition Map
1x Eye of Ugin
2x Forest
2x Ghost Quarter
4x Karn Liberated
4x Oblivion Stone
4x Path to Exile
2x Spellskite
4x Sylvan Scrying
2x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4x Urza's Mine
4x Urza's Power Plant
4x Urza's Tower
4x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Pithing Needle
2x Relic of Progenitus
2x Sacred Ground
1x Spellskite
2x Thragtusk
2x Timely Reinforcements
2x Warping Wail
I usually for Sideboarding do this:
+1 Spellskite
+1 Pithing Needle
+2 Warping Wail
-2 Ulamog
-1 Karn
-1 Oblivion Stone
1 ghostly prison can pretty much help you catchup with any eldrazi build. I also have a full set of wurmcoil to match their mimic and smashers.
2 Ulamog
4 wurmcoil engine
4 Expedition Map
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Oblivion Stone
3 Path to Exile
3 Ghostly Prison
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
4 Brushland
1 Forest
1 plains
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Seal of Primordium
2 Thragtusk
1 crucible of worlds
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 Warping Wail
2 pithing needle
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Spellskite
Tron variants
Eldrazi variants
Burn
Infect
Living End
Bloodwalkers
RG Ponza
LEGACY
Turbo Depths
Big Eldrazi
shutdowns merfolk, elves, affinity, infect and red aggro variants. except for company decks and BGx.
Tron variants
Eldrazi variants
Burn
Infect
Living End
Bloodwalkers
RG Ponza
LEGACY
Turbo Depths
Big Eldrazi
T2 Spellskite and use board wipes, even if there's only one creature on the field. Easy peasy.
We'll see how this goes!