Really working hard trying to build a human deck around Norin the Wary. I think this Naya shell is a lot better than the RW shell. FYI Champion of Lambholt is very underrated. Still testing out cards and ish. Sideboard is just a basic 15, adjust it to your meta.
I believe your deck belongs to the Norin topic, where you already posted your lists. I think it's off-topic to drop lists here. Most players here don't have experience with Norin while the other topic is exactly where people know what Norin is about.
There's also budget considerations that shouldn't be displayed here (especially since you don't say anything but drop your lists). You want 4 Caverns and 4 Territories, probably 4 Ziggurats since Vial is your only spell.
What are the unfavourable matchups for 5C Humans? Just started testing the deck Burn, Gx Tron seems unfavourable?
If you play G1s only, you'll see many are tough and some are unfavorable. Humans is a SB deck, this is where most of your toolbox is. We have trouble answering wrath effects (Jeskai, Living End, Tron), over-extended boards (Merfolk, Lantern, Bogles) and of course decks that can kill by T3 (or before !) sometimes goldfish our face (Infect, Goryo's, Cheerios). We have the tools for goldfishes, less so for wraths and 10 permanents on the opp's side.
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Another FNM with 2 Deputy maindeck and again it gave me a bunch of wins.
I think it's one of the best human that isn't already being played by everyone.
I played 2 Deputy main at FNM as well. The only round I saw them in was against Jund and it was a great feeling bouncing a Kitesail in response to his removal. On another turn he played Lilly to Edict a Mantis Rider.. flashed in Dep to take one for the team.
Question about boarding against this deck. I'm on RUG Delver with 4 Bolt, 2 Tarfire, 1 Forked Bolt, and 1 Roast main. I've got 1 Dismember, 1 Abrade, 1 Pyroclasm, and 2 Anger of the Gods in the board to handle creatures. I've got plenty of room post board, since I cut 8 counters.
Two questions:
1. Do you think it's worthwhile to bring in singleton Ancient Grudge and Destructive Revelry just to hit the Vial?
2. Your land base is weak to Blood Moon, but it seems like when I lose against this deck, it's probably too late for Moon to make a difference anyway. How much do you hate seeing Blood Moon?
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I can't say I'm pleased to see you and must warn you I may have to do something about it.
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: URDelver
Modern: UGRDelver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
So has anything thought about playing Benalish Marshal in the 5c list yet? Whats the idea here is it to much mana? is it gonna be the new tech card to make our little dudes push farther?
Two questions:
1. Do you think it's worthwhile to bring in singleton Ancient Grudge and Destructive Revelry just to hit the Vial?
2. Your land base is weak to Blood Moon, but it seems like when I lose against this deck, it's probably too late for Moon to make a difference anyway. How much do you hate seeing Blood Moon?
1. If you find a slot for one single card, go for Grudge since it will take care of 2 Vials instead of 1. I don't think it's a great plan overall, but along with Moon, it's a nice supporting card you should have post-board. If you run baby Jace or another looting effect (Search for Az' ?), it's no big deal to have a dead Grudge in hand at some point.
2. We know you play Moon, so we're gonna mulligan enough to have a Vial, a Hierarch, our basic Plains... that kind of stuff. T3 Moon is one way to win (T4 on the play is enough too). We have very few ways to deal with enchantments, it's the most annoying permanent type for us.
Benalish Marshal in the 5c list yet? Whats the idea here is it to much mana? is it gonna be the new tech card to make our little dudes push farther?
It doesn't provide evasion nor is interesting on its own (Mayor doesn't see play while it's rather good once flipped). The strength of Lieutenant is that the pump is permanent even if it leaves. Humans would get stronger with interactive effects, like bouncing stuff or protecting our dudes. No DOM human will apparently make the cut.
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Only Avacyn's Pilgrim is a reasonable budget alternative, but don't underestimate the Exalted ability on Noble Hierarch. It's the main reason to run it at all. Also, while rare, the blue mana could be relevant for a T2 Mantis Rider.
Went 3-1 at FNM. Beating; Hollow One, Burn and Storm. Lost to Naya Zoo.
Favourite play of the night was against Burn Game 3. Both of us on 3 life. My board was a direfleet daredevil, noble hierarch and aether Vial on 2. Both of us were topdecking and I was praying my opponent didn’t top deck a Burn spell and I could swing with an exalted Daredevil the following turn. Sure enough my opponent pulled a lightning bolt off the top. I saw no reason to crack a horizon canopy, sure enough I drew a deputy of acquittals and was able to flash it in, return the Daredevil to my hand, Vial him in and use another burn spell to deal 3 damage and win. My opponent was not happy!
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Only dominaria tech I spotted during SCG open Atlanta was Damping Sphere in the sideboard, I personally think this is a definate inclusion.
Apart from that, I don't think there is anything else in Dominaria, except for maybe Naban (Could be explosive, could be too cute, I don't know) and the bodyguard, but it's just not as good as Selfless Spirit.
So humans currently has the biggest target on its head in the modern metagame, but despite that seems to be holding up pretty well.
Anyone seen other players warping their sideboards or tech to beat us? Granted there's no Stony silence equivalent for us, but extra sweepers and even torpor orb can affect the texture of matchups significantly.
Also, there's a lot of variation among lists at the moment. Is there a sort of average "stock" list right now? Does this extend to sideboards?
I'm considering running leyline of sanctity in the side. Or chalice of the void. I know others have tried this but it could be good. My feeling was that I wanted to jam my sideboard with as many "I win" type cards as possible and then allow my creatures to just get there. I am running selfless spirit, kataki, ethersworn canonist, staticaster and a few other staples though.
Would appreciate your thoughts guys. This deck seems like it's very malleable so I'd be interested in seeing if anyone else has had similar ideas and whether or not they worked out.
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Modern: G Tron, Vannifar, Jund, Druid/Vizier combo, Humans, Eldrazi Stompy (Serum Powder), Amulet, Grishoalbrand, Breach Titan, Turns, Eternal Command, As Foretold Living End, Elves, Cheerios, RUG Scapeshift
Main is stock for 57 cards, with the same 2-3 flex creatures as before. If you check out the SCG decks, you have Whirler Rogue, Bob, Resto. It's hard to make any conclusion about 1-ofs in main decks, in such a jungle meta.
In the SB, I'd say 10-ish cards are stock, with many switchable 1-ofs (for example, Renegades vs Kataki, Xathrid vs Selfless). Damping Sphere will be a staple and will reinforce the cut of the 4th Thalia MD. The SB will remain open to meta expectations, there's no point in figuring out a stock 15.
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RW Humans
1 Windswept Heath
4 Inspiring Vantage
1 Godless Shrine
4 Arid Mesa
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Mountain
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Lightning Berserker
1 Kytheon, Hero of Akros
4 Thalia's Lieutenant
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Dark Confidant
4 Norin the Wary
3 Magus of the Moon
4 Champion of the Parish
1 Legion Loyalist
2 Soul Warden
1 Auriok champion
1 Metallic Mimic
2 Impact Tremors
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge
1 Selfless Spirit
3 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
3 Path to Exile
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Magus of the Moon
Modern Only
Currently Running:
BG Midrange
Modern Only
Currently Running:
BG Midrange
UWx control/midrange
Bant Eldrazi
Naya Humans
2 Inspiring Vantage
1 Temple Garden
4 Arid Mesa
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Mountain
1 Forest
4 Plains
1 Stomping Ground
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Thalia's Lieutenant
2 Thalia, Heretic Cathar
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Norin the Wary
3 Magus of the Moon
4 Champion of the Parish
1 Legion Loyalist
4 Champion of Lambholt
2 Auriok champion
2 Mayor of Avabruck
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge
2 Selfless Spirit
3 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Magus of the Moon
Really working hard trying to build a human deck around Norin the Wary. I think this Naya shell is a lot better than the RW shell. FYI Champion of Lambholt is very underrated. Still testing out cards and ish. Sideboard is just a basic 15, adjust it to your meta.
Modern Only
Currently Running:
BG Midrange
There's also budget considerations that shouldn't be displayed here (especially since you don't say anything but drop your lists). You want 4 Caverns and 4 Territories, probably 4 Ziggurats since Vial is your only spell.
If you play G1s only, you'll see many are tough and some are unfavorable. Humans is a SB deck, this is where most of your toolbox is. We have trouble answering wrath effects (Jeskai, Living End, Tron), over-extended boards (Merfolk, Lantern, Bogles) and of course decks that can kill by T3 (or before !) sometimes goldfish our face (Infect, Goryo's, Cheerios). We have the tools for goldfishes, less so for wraths and 10 permanents on the opp's side.
I think it's one of the best human that isn't already being played by everyone.
WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
Two questions:
1. Do you think it's worthwhile to bring in singleton Ancient Grudge and Destructive Revelry just to hit the Vial?
2. Your land base is weak to Blood Moon, but it seems like when I lose against this deck, it's probably too late for Moon to make a difference anyway. How much do you hate seeing Blood Moon?
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
1. If you find a slot for one single card, go for Grudge since it will take care of 2 Vials instead of 1. I don't think it's a great plan overall, but along with Moon, it's a nice supporting card you should have post-board. If you run baby Jace or another looting effect (Search for Az' ?), it's no big deal to have a dead Grudge in hand at some point.
2. We know you play Moon, so we're gonna mulligan enough to have a Vial, a Hierarch, our basic Plains... that kind of stuff. T3 Moon is one way to win (T4 on the play is enough too). We have very few ways to deal with enchantments, it's the most annoying permanent type for us.
It doesn't provide evasion nor is interesting on its own (Mayor doesn't see play while it's rather good once flipped). The strength of Lieutenant is that the pump is permanent even if it leaves. Humans would get stronger with interactive effects, like bouncing stuff or protecting our dudes. No DOM human will apparently make the cut.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Favourite play of the night was against Burn Game 3. Both of us on 3 life. My board was a direfleet daredevil, noble hierarch and aether Vial on 2. Both of us were topdecking and I was praying my opponent didn’t top deck a Burn spell and I could swing with an exalted Daredevil the following turn. Sure enough my opponent pulled a lightning bolt off the top. I saw no reason to crack a horizon canopy, sure enough I drew a deputy of acquittals and was able to flash it in, return the Daredevil to my hand, Vial him in and use another burn spell to deal 3 damage and win. My opponent was not happy!
Everyone loves an angry mob RWG
Why so Bloo? RU
Apart from that, I don't think there is anything else in Dominaria, except for maybe Naban (Could be explosive, could be too cute, I don't know) and the bodyguard, but it's just not as good as Selfless Spirit.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Anyone seen other players warping their sideboards or tech to beat us? Granted there's no Stony silence equivalent for us, but extra sweepers and even torpor orb can affect the texture of matchups significantly.
Also, there's a lot of variation among lists at the moment. Is there a sort of average "stock" list right now? Does this extend to sideboards?
I'm considering running leyline of sanctity in the side. Or chalice of the void. I know others have tried this but it could be good. My feeling was that I wanted to jam my sideboard with as many "I win" type cards as possible and then allow my creatures to just get there. I am running selfless spirit, kataki, ethersworn canonist, staticaster and a few other staples though.
Would appreciate your thoughts guys. This deck seems like it's very malleable so I'd be interested in seeing if anyone else has had similar ideas and whether or not they worked out.
In the SB, I'd say 10-ish cards are stock, with many switchable 1-ofs (for example, Renegades vs Kataki, Xathrid vs Selfless). Damping Sphere will be a staple and will reinforce the cut of the 4th Thalia MD. The SB will remain open to meta expectations, there's no point in figuring out a stock 15.