Hi,friday win the fnm with my new list post modern horizon.
2-1 hoggack
2-0 vizier company
2-0 grixis control
2-1 uw control
And yesterday losed the final of 30 players tournament:
2-0 w/b eldrazi taxes (mirror). No new cards and easy win
1-2 bant reliquary.
2-1 monored phoenyx
2-0 u/b fayries
2-0 boros burn
Top 2-0 bant reliquary.
Semis 2-1 bant vial spirits.
Final 1-2 b/g loam
3 stony
4 push
4 cage
4 rip
Giver was great when i played , especially against reliquary and red decks. Silent clearing is wonderfull, i drew 3 cards in 1 turn, amazing. Playset sure of giver and silent
I'm on a traditional mono-white list right now, and Giver of Runes is just amazing! Worst case scenario, she is a lightning rod that protects Thalia or Catjesus.
Not related to D&T, but out of curiosity, how did that BG Loam list looked like?
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Bg loam:
3 inquisition of kozilek
2 thoughtseize
4 tarmogoyf
? Trackers
3-4 dark confident
3 ayulas influence
4 life from the loam
3-4 liliana of the veil
1 ravens crime
3-4 push
2-3 trophy
Pulse?
Surgical?
Decay?
Cicle lands black and green, 3 quarters and not sure rest of deck.
Bg decks is so strong against eldrazi taxes...i won the first game for giver and i losed the second game because new ouphe tax my vial. The third game lili broke me
In the D&T there has been some discussion about maindecking Ethersworn Canonist, how do you guys feel about it? I'm going to give it a go this weekend.
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Im gonna play a big tournament next week and im not sure about what list play. I want play WB eldrazi and taxes, but i expect a lot of jund, UR phoenix, UW control and hoogak. So, do you think is worth move to Mono white eldrazi and taxes?. I would win better mana base (more basic for blood moon) and more value cards vs midrange and control (like restoration angel, blade splicer and wall of omens).
EDIT: Here my posible list:
4 Giver of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Thought-Knot Seer
Hi
Jund is terrible match against wb eldrazi taxes but wb is better against other.
My sideboard
3 rip
2 stony
2 burrentons
2 push
2 mirran
2 cage
1 thalia traven
1 gideon
Do you think is worth take 4 cages in sideboard over rest in peace (cuttint all rip)?.
Playing cages is the only possibility we have to beat Hoogark, because R.I.P is too slow. Cages gives us hate vs hoogak, UR phoenix (and maybe mono red phoenix), COCO decks and dredge (However, rip is better against dredge becuase they play ancient grudge).
Rip is the best cementery hate card in modern. It is more difficult to destroy than cage. Against coco you have other cards(tidehollow,tks,thalia). 3 cages and 2 rip could be fine. 3 rip 3 cage...
Im gonna play a big tournament next week and im not sure about what list play. I want play WB eldrazi and taxes, but i expect a lot of jund, UR phoenix, UW control and hoogak. So, do you think is worth move to Mono white eldrazi and taxes?. I would win better mana base (more basic for blood moon) and more value cards vs midrange and control (like restoration angel, blade splicer and wall of omens).
EDIT: Here my posible list:
4 Giver of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Thought-Knot Seer
Sideboard:
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
3 Fatal Push
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
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4 Giver of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Restoration Angel
2 Blade Splicer
2 Wall of omen
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Silent Clearing
1 Field of Ruin
3 Shefet Dunes
6 Snow-Covered Plains
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
1 Settle the Wreckage
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Declaration in stone
1 Burrenton forge tender
I have some suggestions for the monowhite list... Just play 3 Restoration Angels instead of 4 TKS. She's just too strong and eat phoenixes and blink valuable creatures. Add Canonist in the main deck and you'll feel really good when facing many of the tier decks. Wall is good, but only if you play 4 of Resto-Angels, imo.
In the D&T there has been some discussion about maindecking Ethersworn Canonist, how do you guys feel about it? I'm going to give it a go this weekend.
I'm playing with her since the rise of Phoenix way before MH1 and I'm very happy to have her in the main deck. Now that I also have Giver, Canonist is way too powerful if left unchecked because your opponents may have the removal and then you save her with Giver of Resto-Angel / VialWisp / Displacer etc.
-Round 1, eldrazi tron, 1-2
Win the first and mistake on second made lose but i can made 2-0.
-Round 2, bant spirits, 2-1
He win first with 3 supreem phamton and 2 queller. Second,giver,tidehollow and tks run for win. The third he play noble and 2 lands only, arbiter with quarter and path on noble wins
-Round 3, monoredphoenix, 2-1
Burrenton,giver and rip win the match
-Round 4, eldrazi tron,1-1
Very lucky for my opponent when out of time he can win with topdeck karn for ballista.
-Round 5, jund 2-1,
First he play bolt,push and 3 scooze and flooded. Second pure jund, easy win for him. Third he only play 2 lands and not green,he killed two thalias and i run for win with 2 arbiter and burrenton. Very lucky, he has on hand 2 lili, 1 chandra, decay...
-Round 6, eldrazi tron, 2-0
Giver,arbiter and quarter win the 2 matchs.
-Round 7 uw control,2-1
Arbiter, displacer and 3 quarters win for me. Second i loseed easy.
The third game was amazing...i started with giver,displacer and final of his turn path giver and take me a land. On my turn i play flickerwisp on my temple and displacer on flickerwisp for exile white land at the final of turn. He has island and field of ruin only, past and i play other flickerwisp on hallowed fountain , play strangler and put land on cementery and -3-3 on strangler. He play timely reforcements and past...3 turns with double land exiles with two flickers run in the air win the game. I was happy because top8 but i finished 9th.
The top was 4 hoogack, uw,eldrazi tron and 2 izzet phoenix.
Giver of runs was amazing protect the field of dismmeber, paths and for combats. While more play giver more like her
Silent clearing. Never run under 4,amazing land with vials.
Thalia not great in this momment.
Tks never under 4 , turn 3 tks is great.
Stony silence not great, i put revoquer on this place,
Well sorry for my english and bye
So I suppose this means Arbiter gets cut for SFM, and thus Ranger Captain could also possibly see play now. This moves the deck away from the mana denial strategy slightly, so I wonder if 4x quarter is still correct, or whether the rest of the deck should be refocused to be even more disruptive (if that is even possible).
EDIT: Wondering how many equipments are optimal. Batterskull and SoFaI for sure, probably need a third one as well; maybe another sword of some sort?
They left out the part where Yawgmoth is resurrected,but has been cleansed as Yawgmoth the Redeemed,and now must awaken Chromium so that Karn can fuse with him and create what can only be known as : the ultimate taco.
Congrats everyone! Personally I think that the deadguy ale list is a better fit for SFM than death and taxes is since you'll have to move away from the taxes aspect, but I am sure we will see it tried here as well.
For my money, the SFM package is:
4x SFM
1x batterskull
1x SoFaI
1x SoLaS
Congrats everyone! Personally I think that the deadguy ale list is a better fit for SFM than death and taxes is since you'll have to move away from the taxes aspect, but I am sure we will see it tried here as well.
For my money, the SFM package is:
4x SFM
1x batterskull
1x SoFaI
1x SoLaS
I think so too. Maybe a second Batterskull on the mainboard, but I think that 1 is probably the best bet.
Sword of Sinew and Steel will probably be on a bunch of sideboards as well.
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Well... not sure how exactly I'm supposed to update my deck. In theory, we should probably thrim the Arbiters, because they don't play very well with SFM. However, if we cut them, we're pretty much giving up the mana denial plan altogether. Paths, Ghost Quarters and even Thalias become much worse without them. Along with that, I expect people to play a bunch of SFM themselves, which also make Arbiters better. How about a surprise Vial Kitty when your opponent goes for a T2 SFM? Not bad huh? So... not sure if we should just cut them. Maybe we should keep them, and just be careful to not let them stop our SFM plays.
Although Flickerwisp might be interesting now, since it pretty much nullifies opponent's Batterskull until turn 5, I think I'll probably need to cut some of them. They're not good against W6, and I think Jund will most likely be a major player now, with Hogaakvine and Dredge (hopefully) gone. Eldrazi Displacer seems very good against Batterskull while also doing his own shenanigans. I used to play two Dark Confidants, and I still like them, but I need to make room for the SFM package, so... for now, I'm cutting them.
That's considering I stick to BW. Monowhite, GW or something else might be better now, actually.
IMO, the Kittyless version seems better at first sight. But I think that Arbiter might be secretly really well positioned right now, and he also empowers Thalia, Paths and GQs. What do you guys think?
Totally agree. I think arbiter,mindcensor and strangler take more power now. But with jund,jeskay and other midrange decks in format i think gw hatebears/taxes will be more powerfull. Autumn knight and voice are cards so important right now. Other question, if we take stoneforge in taxes decks we are more vulnerable to stony,ouphe,kolagans command and other artifacts hate...
Conclusion, i think we dont want stoneforge...we fight against that
Hi friends. Yesterday played a 80 players tournament and 7 rounds. I was 5-2 and made 11 position.
4 vial
4 path
4 arbiter
4 stoneforge
4 giver of runes
4 displacer
4 tks
4 flickerwisp
3 thalia
1 batterskull
1 sword of fire and ice
1 sword of ligth and shadow
4 muta
4 quarter
4 eldrazi temple
4 silent clearing
6 plains
Sideboard
3 revoker
1 thalia
3 burrenton
1 gideon
3 rip
1 settle
3 dismember
1 round, mardu shadow 2-0. He started discard and removal my board but stoneforge made 2x1 for win. Mutavault was great.
2 round, monogreentron 0-2. Lose for things of tron, turn 3 tron gg.
Second he can win only for topdeck oblivion stone after my tks exiled one...what he draw??? Yes oblivion stone...
3 round, 4 colour urza 2-0. Arbiter,thalia and tks win easy...both of games.
4 round, vengevine 2-1. He played slow and giver,displacer,tks and flicker wins. Second, easy win. Third, rip and settle wins
5 round, grixis shadow 2-0. Stoneforge and muta shrines again for easy win. Sword light and shadow was great with vial on 3 for flickers on cementery...
6 round, burn 1-2. Vial,thalia, giver,stoneforge and batterskull wins...second , smash to smeteers on vial wins the game...third i mull on 5 and not great hand.
Well i think burn is favorable mutch but i was very unlucky with the hands.
This game was win and in for top
7 round jund 2-1 win.
Wrenn and six destroyed me on draw.
Second and third rip and stoneforge wins.
Ok, stoneforge is amazing for us. Maybe i put sword of feast and fame in side for jund and green decks, untap lands with displacer is great. Against tron i think we must take damping sphere or field of ruin...but mutavault was great.
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2-1 hoggack
2-0 vizier company
2-0 grixis control
2-1 uw control
And yesterday losed the final of 30 players tournament:
2-0 w/b eldrazi taxes (mirror). No new cards and easy win
1-2 bant reliquary.
2-1 monored phoenyx
2-0 u/b fayries
2-0 boros burn
Top 2-0 bant reliquary.
Semis 2-1 bant vial spirits.
Final 1-2 b/g loam
List:
4 vial
4 path
4 giver
4 leonin
4 thalia
4 tidehollow
4 tks
4 displacer
4 flickerwisp
3 strangler
1 swamp
1 plain
3 concealed courtyard
4 silent clearing
4 koilos
4 quarter
4 temple
3 stony
4 push
4 cage
4 rip
Giver was great when i played , especially against reliquary and red decks. Silent clearing is wonderfull, i drew 3 cards in 1 turn, amazing. Playset sure of giver and silent
I'm on a traditional mono-white list right now, and Giver of Runes is just amazing! Worst case scenario, she is a lightning rod that protects Thalia or Catjesus.
Not related to D&T, but out of curiosity, how did that BG Loam list looked like?
3 inquisition of kozilek
2 thoughtseize
4 tarmogoyf
? Trackers
3-4 dark confident
3 ayulas influence
4 life from the loam
3-4 liliana of the veil
1 ravens crime
3-4 push
2-3 trophy
Pulse?
Surgical?
Decay?
Cicle lands black and green, 3 quarters and not sure rest of deck.
Bg decks is so strong against eldrazi taxes...i won the first game for giver and i losed the second game because new ouphe tax my vial. The third game lili broke me
In the D&T there has been some discussion about maindecking Ethersworn Canonist, how do you guys feel about it? I'm going to give it a go this weekend.
Im gonna play a big tournament next week and im not sure about what list play. I want play WB eldrazi and taxes, but i expect a lot of jund, UR phoenix, UW control and hoogak. So, do you think is worth move to Mono white eldrazi and taxes?. I would win better mana base (more basic for blood moon) and more value cards vs midrange and control (like restoration angel, blade splicer and wall of omens).
EDIT: Here my posible list:
4 Giver of Runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Concealed Courtyard
4 Silent Clearing
1 Plains
1 Swamp
Sideboard:
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
3 Fatal Push
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
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4 Giver of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Restoration Angel
2 Blade Splicer
2 Wall of omen
4 Path to Exile
4 Aether Vial
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Silent Clearing
1 Field of Ruin
3 Shefet Dunes
6 Snow-Covered Plains
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Rest in Peace
3 Stony Silence
1 Settle the Wreckage
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Declaration in stone
1 Burrenton forge tender
Jund is terrible match against wb eldrazi taxes but wb is better against other.
My sideboard
3 rip
2 stony
2 burrentons
2 push
2 mirran
2 cage
1 thalia traven
1 gideon
Playing cages is the only possibility we have to beat Hoogark, because R.I.P is too slow. Cages gives us hate vs hoogak, UR phoenix (and maybe mono red phoenix), COCO decks and dredge (However, rip is better against dredge becuase they play ancient grudge).
Saturday i played a 122 players tournament and made 5-1-1, finished 9th.
4 vial
4 path
4 thalia
4 leonin
4 tidehollow
4 giver of runs
4 displacer
4 tks
4 flickerwisp
2 strangler
2 plains
1 swamp
3 concealed
4 quarter
4 koilos
4 temple
4 silent clearin
1 gideon, ally of zendikar
1 kaya, orzhov usurper
1 strangler
2 push
2 burrenton
2 cage
2 stony
4 rip
-Round 1, eldrazi tron, 1-2
Win the first and mistake on second made lose but i can made 2-0.
-Round 2, bant spirits, 2-1
He win first with 3 supreem phamton and 2 queller. Second,giver,tidehollow and tks run for win. The third he play noble and 2 lands only, arbiter with quarter and path on noble wins
-Round 3, monoredphoenix, 2-1
Burrenton,giver and rip win the match
-Round 4, eldrazi tron,1-1
Very lucky for my opponent when out of time he can win with topdeck karn for ballista.
-Round 5, jund 2-1,
First he play bolt,push and 3 scooze and flooded. Second pure jund, easy win for him. Third he only play 2 lands and not green,he killed two thalias and i run for win with 2 arbiter and burrenton. Very lucky, he has on hand 2 lili, 1 chandra, decay...
-Round 6, eldrazi tron, 2-0
Giver,arbiter and quarter win the 2 matchs.
-Round 7 uw control,2-1
Arbiter, displacer and 3 quarters win for me. Second i loseed easy.
The third game was amazing...i started with giver,displacer and final of his turn path giver and take me a land. On my turn i play flickerwisp on my temple and displacer on flickerwisp for exile white land at the final of turn. He has island and field of ruin only, past and i play other flickerwisp on hallowed fountain , play strangler and put land on cementery and -3-3 on strangler. He play timely reforcements and past...3 turns with double land exiles with two flickers run in the air win the game. I was happy because top8 but i finished 9th.
The top was 4 hoogack, uw,eldrazi tron and 2 izzet phoenix.
Giver of runs was amazing protect the field of dismmeber, paths and for combats. While more play giver more like her
Silent clearing. Never run under 4,amazing land with vials.
Thalia not great in this momment.
Tks never under 4 , turn 3 tks is great.
Stony silence not great, i put revoquer on this place,
Well sorry for my english and bye
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EDIT: Wondering how many equipments are optimal. Batterskull and SoFaI for sure, probably need a third one as well; maybe another sword of some sort?
For my money, the SFM package is:
4x SFM
1x batterskull
1x SoFaI
1x SoLaS
I think so too. Maybe a second Batterskull on the mainboard, but I think that 1 is probably the best bet.
Sword of Sinew and Steel will probably be on a bunch of sideboards as well.
RBW
Mardu PyromancerR.I.P.BG The Rock
Commander
W Nahiri, the Lithomancer
GW Death and Taxes WG
Although Flickerwisp might be interesting now, since it pretty much nullifies opponent's Batterskull until turn 5, I think I'll probably need to cut some of them. They're not good against W6, and I think Jund will most likely be a major player now, with Hogaakvine and Dredge (hopefully) gone. Eldrazi Displacer seems very good against Batterskull while also doing his own shenanigans. I used to play two Dark Confidants, and I still like them, but I need to make room for the SFM package, so... for now, I'm cutting them.
So... IMO, I have 2 alternatives.
4 Leonin Arbiter
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Flickerwisp
3 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Aether Vial
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Silent Clearing
3 Concealed Courtyard
1 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
Or...
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Flickerwisp
2 Wasteland Strangler
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Aether Vial
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Silent Clearing
3 Concealed Courtyard
1 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Eldrazi Temple
That's considering I stick to BW. Monowhite, GW or something else might be better now, actually.
IMO, the Kittyless version seems better at first sight. But I think that Arbiter might be secretly really well positioned right now, and he also empowers Thalia, Paths and GQs. What do you guys think?
RBW
Mardu PyromancerR.I.P.BG The Rock
Commander
W Nahiri, the Lithomancer
Conclusion, i think we dont want stoneforge...we fight against that
2 Plains
1 Swamp
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Concealed Courtyard
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Ghost Quarter
3 Silent Clearing
Noncreature spells (8)
4 Aether Vial
4 Path to Exile
4 Giver of Runes
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Wasteland Strangler
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Flickerwisp
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Selfless Spirit
2 Kambal, Consul of Allocation
2 Plague Engineer
2 Stony Silence
3 Rest in Peace
2 Fatal Push
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
BUR Grixis Death's Shadow/Control BUR & WBC Eldrazi & Taxes WBC
EDH:
UG Edric, Spymaster of Goodstuff UG
4 vial
4 path
4 arbiter
4 stoneforge
4 giver of runes
4 displacer
4 tks
4 flickerwisp
3 thalia
1 batterskull
1 sword of fire and ice
1 sword of ligth and shadow
4 muta
4 quarter
4 eldrazi temple
4 silent clearing
6 plains
Sideboard
3 revoker
1 thalia
3 burrenton
1 gideon
3 rip
1 settle
3 dismember
1 round, mardu shadow 2-0. He started discard and removal my board but stoneforge made 2x1 for win. Mutavault was great.
2 round, monogreentron 0-2. Lose for things of tron, turn 3 tron gg.
Second he can win only for topdeck oblivion stone after my tks exiled one...what he draw??? Yes oblivion stone...
3 round, 4 colour urza 2-0. Arbiter,thalia and tks win easy...both of games.
4 round, vengevine 2-1. He played slow and giver,displacer,tks and flicker wins. Second, easy win. Third, rip and settle wins
5 round, grixis shadow 2-0. Stoneforge and muta shrines again for easy win. Sword light and shadow was great with vial on 3 for flickers on cementery...
6 round, burn 1-2. Vial,thalia, giver,stoneforge and batterskull wins...second , smash to smeteers on vial wins the game...third i mull on 5 and not great hand.
Well i think burn is favorable mutch but i was very unlucky with the hands.
This game was win and in for top
7 round jund 2-1 win.
Wrenn and six destroyed me on draw.
Second and third rip and stoneforge wins.
Ok, stoneforge is amazing for us. Maybe i put sword of feast and fame in side for jund and green decks, untap lands with displacer is great. Against tron i think we must take damping sphere or field of ruin...but mutavault was great.