hi guys, what do you board in against BW tokens? i played at my LGS last night and lost to BW token in 3-games, a good timely reinforcement by my opponent sealed game-3, i also got problems because of a turn-1 relic. my sideboard is still under construction and i only board in 2-golgari charm during the match (i have 3-abrupt MB)
Guys, test the lists. If you don't have the cards on MOL or IRL, you can test on xmage. I've played a lot the "midrange" build, and I still think the all in list is the best, sometimes you can have 12~18 cards in your graveyard on turn 2 and most of the games you are pressuring on turn 3~5. For me, the best option is win the game instead of holding it until you lose.
hi guys, what do you board in against BW tokens? i played at my LGS last night and lost to BW token in 3-games, a good timely reinforcement by my opponent sealed game-3, i also got problems because of a turn-1 relic. my sideboard is still under construction and i only board in 2-golgari charm during the match (i have 3-abrupt MB)
Golgari Charm and Engineered Explosives, with any extra Darkblast / enchantment hate.
That list is very similar to what I'm running. It is the most consistent graveyard aggro list in the format right now. Hard dredge is cute and sometimes unbeatable, but I agree pretty well exactly with your list. (I cut a pair of Lotleth Trolls for more interaction, but they are otherwise identical.)
I've run Dakmor Salvage in the past and not been happy with it. Dredging 2 is just too little, and entering tapped for only one colour is awful for a fast deck. Loam is far more flexible and a better dredger. For late-game Bloodghast guarantees, I'm actually somewhat interested in Drownyard Temple since it doesn't replace a dredge draw, and is technically ramp. On the other hand, the deck requires so little colourless mana that might fall short too.
Yesterday (17/4/16) I played a Modern Star Event at GP Barcelona and I went 4-0-2, facing (and winning, of course) Elves, Naya Company, UG Infect and Archangel Chord. The deck is just absurd. This is my current deck list:
Sometimes I feel like I would like to play Dakmor Salvage, in addition to Life from the Loam, to make sure I'm going to play a land and Bloodghast are coming back and, for example, casting a Lotleth Troll the same turn, you know? Did someone tested it? Hope you like the deck list! ^^
How necessary do you feel the 1 of Rotting Rats is with 4x Prized Amalgam? I usually used rats to trigger vengevines from an empty boardstate but we have prized amalgam + bloodghast to handle that now. On the other hand though rats does trigger amalgam too, but it's potentially a turn slower as unearth is sorcery speed only
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Can someone explain(for the newbies) what does the vengevine triggers with in this deck? I mean, whenever you taeke a bloodghast back from graveyard does it count for 1 in the vengevine counter? Thanks
Vengevine only triggers when you cast two creatures. So bloodghasts and prized amalgams returning from the graveyard from triggers don't count towards vengevine, but gravecrawlers and other creatures you cast will
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Bloodghast helps trigger amalgam. So these two are good for always keeping creatures on board. Neither of them count towards a vengevine trigger, and neither does an unearth. Keeping zombies on board allows for us to cast a gravecrawler and another creature from our hand. Gravecrawler is the only cast effect we have from our gravyard in most builds that count towards triggering vengevines
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How are the Jund players using Prized Amalgam supporting the card in terms of their manabases. I have yet to test out the card yet. The issue with adding one shock splashing blue is the chances of milling it over are decent in which case I will no longer have access to blue mana (I do not run Birds of Paradise). Life From the Loam is also something which is only found in my SB. Is 4 Lotleth Troll and 4 Faithless Looting enough to reliably being able to avoid casting Prized Amalgam. How all-in does the dredging need to be for this card to be a worthy inclusion? I currently run very little dredge (2 Stinkweed Imp and 0 Golgari Grave-Troll) as I have a list that has more cards that can actually be cast from the hand.
How are the Jund players using Prized Amalgam supporting the card in terms of their manabases. I have yet to test out the card yet. The issue with adding one shock splashing blue is the chances of milling it over are decent in which case I will no longer have access to blue mana (I do not run Birds of Paradise[/card)]. Life From the Loam is also something which is only found in my SB. Is 4 Lotleth Troll and 4 Faithless Looting enough to reliably being able to avoid casting Prized Amalgam. How all-in does the dredging need to be for this card to be a worthy inclusion? I currently run very little dredge (2 Stinkweed Imp and 0 Golgari Grave-Troll) as I have a list that has more cards that can actually be cast from the hand.
I switched a Blood Crypt for a Watery Grave and added a Life from the Loam to my MB. I've only had one time where he was uncastable and stuck in my hand, but that's not bad. Alongside him, I have 4 GGT, 2 Stinkweed Imp, 1 Darkblast and a Loam as my dredge cards.
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Um.. well.. I keep running into fkin abzan kiki-angels. Haven't found a way how to win that one yet.
Rending Volley might be able to help you there. I've cut them from my SB since Twin has been banned but it is a great removal spell for Restoration Angel that punches through countermagic. I also run 2 Grim Lavamancer which kills Kiki, Scooze, and other pesky creatures.
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Has anybody tested with shambling remains? Seems like it could get us out of the sticky situation of casting gravecrawler when we don't have a zombie in play.
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A quick query: your list states you have 20 lands, yet the picture shows only 18. What 2 lands are missing?
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I've run Dakmor Salvage in the past and not been happy with it. Dredging 2 is just too little, and entering tapped for only one colour is awful for a fast deck. Loam is far more flexible and a better dredger. For late-game Bloodghast guarantees, I'm actually somewhat interested in Drownyard Temple since it doesn't replace a dredge draw, and is technically ramp. On the other hand, the deck requires so little colourless mana that might fall short too.
WBG Abzan Midrange
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How necessary do you feel the 1 of Rotting Rats is with 4x Prized Amalgam? I usually used rats to trigger vengevines from an empty boardstate but we have prized amalgam + bloodghast to handle that now. On the other hand though rats does trigger amalgam too, but it's potentially a turn slower as unearth is sorcery speed only
Dredge (117-70 W/L in games) (Pre-GGT ban: 103-70 W/L in games)
WBG Abzan Midrange
BRG Dredgevine
Don't forget that it can also trigger vengevine
Modern
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G Mono-Green Tron
UWBR Ad Nauseam
BGRDredgevineBGR
UWRJeskai ControlUWR
Pauper:
GMono-Green AggroG
MTGO Username: creamy99
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YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/Cherokee3210
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Thanks Creamy. I really appreciate all the help! You've made the transition to this a deck a good one with your videos and advice!
Modern
UGWRB Humans
G Mono-Green Tron
UWBR Ad Nauseam
Vengevine only triggers when you cast two creatures. So bloodghasts and prized amalgams returning from the graveyard from triggers don't count towards vengevine, but gravecrawlers and other creatures you cast will
Dredge (117-70 W/L in games) (Pre-GGT ban: 103-70 W/L in games)
BGRDredgevineBGR
UWRJeskai ControlUWR
Pauper:
GMono-Green AggroG
MTGO Username: creamy99
Twitch Stream: www.twitch.tv/coachcreamy
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/Cherokee3210
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GMono-Green AggroG
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Rending Volley might be able to help you there. I've cut them from my SB since Twin has been banned but it is a great removal spell for Restoration Angel that punches through countermagic. I also run 2 Grim Lavamancer which kills Kiki, Scooze, and other pesky creatures.