I think you cannot compare a 2 drop 4/5 with a 3 drop 4/4.
If those decks dropped their anti-goyf cards against you that just seems like bad luck.
It's hard to justify not running 4 goyfs in any Naya 'zoo' deck.
Alright, well I had the weekly modern tournament at my LGS this week, and I would say over all it went pretty well. I was very happy with the deck, and the one round I did lose (4-1 record) was against Affinity, which seems to be a deck that I really have trouble with. The other decks I beat were Jund, White Weenie, Boggles and Merfolks. Back to Affinity, if they're not nutting with Ravager or Cranial Plating, or if you have a removal spell for it. Ive found Im usually just far enough behind that they can grind me out with Etched Champion. Today, someone suggested Ghostfire.....
Thats crazy isn't it?? To run a Ghostfire? I fear I may end up trying it to be honest. I'm just sick of losing to Etched Champion. However, something I am going to try before that is running the 4th Pridemage, and slipping one Ancient Grudge back into the S/B in place of the Wear//Tear. The deck now looks like
I'd rather play blade splicer over ghost fire, especially if you are playing domri.
I think affinity is a bad match up for this version of zoo. You have to draw better than them to win game 1, then in games 2-3 you still have to draw better, but at least you have 2-3 strong hate cards where they don't have anything as hateful.
I'd rather play blade splicer over ghost fire, especially if you are playing domri.
I think affinity is a bad match up for this version of zoo. You have to draw better than them to win game 1, then in games 2-3 you still have to draw better, but at least you have 2-3 strong hate cards where they don't have anything as hateful.
That's actually not such a bad idea either. I'll see how I work out with 4 pridemages and maybe drop one for a Blade Splicer if that doesn't seem to work out.
Here is my sideboard plans. I think I've got the majority of matchups, although I do add as they come along. Please feel free to comment. I would really appreciate any insight anyone is prepared to offer.
BIRTHING POD (2)
IN 2x Aver Mindcensor
OUT 2x Loxodon Smiter
SPLINTER TWIN (4)
IN 2x Choke
1x Wear // Tear
1x Torpor Orb
OUT 2x Domri Rade
2x Thundermaw Hellkite
U/W/R (7)
IN 2x Thalia
2x Blood Moon
2x Choke
1x Thrun
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
HATEBEARS (2)
IN 1x Torpor Orb
1x Ancient Grudge
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite
AFFINITY (6)
IN 1x Ancient Grudge
1x Wear // Tear
1x Fracturing Gust
1x Stony Silence
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite 2x Loxodon Smiter
2x Domri Rade
STORM (6)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
2x Choke
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 3x Path to Exile
2x Domri Rade
1x Thundermaw Hellkite
BURN (3)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite
1x Domri Rade
B/G/x (1)
IN 1x Thrun
OUT 1x Qusali Pridemage
AURAS (6)
IN 1x Fracturing Gust
2x Blood Moon
2x Thalia
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Path to Exile
TRON (7)
IN 2x Blood Moon
1x Stony Silence
1x Wear // Tear
1x Ancient Grudge
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Domri Rade
1x Scavenging Ooze
BLUE MOON (5)
IN 2x Choke
1x Thrun
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
LIVING END (3)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
OUT 3x Lightning Bolt
MERFOLK (3)
IN 1x Wear // Tear
2x Choke
OUT 2x Thundermaw
1x Domri Rade
SCAPESHIFT (6)
IN 2x Blood Moon
2x Thalia
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Path to Exile
What do people think of Stormbreath Dragon vs Thundermaw Hellkite. I feel like the 1 extra power is not as useful as the Pro:White, since Path is a very common way people will kill it.
I've tended to find that Big Zoo tends to play enough creatures that 2+ creatures ate removal before the 5-cmc dragon hits the battlefield, so the dragon doesn't eat removal quite as often. As such, I'm more partial to Thundermaw Hellkite than Stormbreath Dragon in Big Zoo than in other decks like UWR Midrange (where I heavily prefer Stormbreath because it plays half as many creatures or less).
...Of course, it's a meta call. See too much Twin/Faeries/Delver/combo/Tron/Affinity/maybe Tokens and Thundermaw looks better than Stormbreath. See too much UW/UWR/Junk/Death and Taxes/GW Hatebears/Soul Sisters and Stormbreath looks better than Thundermaw.
Kibler probably doesnt run it bc he has the 2 blood moon package.
i am only running 1, plus that land has won me a lot of games, it is still very good.
could even be a raging ravine
Played in a modern gpt. Only loses were to Chord of Calling decks (naya kiki and pod). How do you guys handle and beat these decks. It's tricky to go under them, and they go big into the late game.
Standard Mardu Midrange Modern 4 Colour Delver, Naya Midrange CommanderSidisi 1v1, Sliver Overlord, Intet the Dreamer, Mayael the Anima (shameless plug http://youtu.be/4zu4QRvGSo8)
Alright, so lets say your commander is Riku of Two Reflections. Combo commander, to be sure, but lets push this into the realm of absurd. You cast Palinchron and do your Riku thing to make infinite mana because we're going to need it. Forget about your extra Palinchron tokens. A million flying 4/5s is boring. So now you cast Enter the Infinite, because drawing your deck is important. Follow it up with a Obstinate Familiar because not decking yourself is equally important. Laboratory Maniac could work here too, but we're gonna go some more levels deep. Cast a Greater Good because we want a tasteful sac outlet. Follow this up with Parallel Lives, Doubling Season,Copy Enchantment, Clever Impersonator, Mycosynth Latice, Phyrexian Metamorph, and Copy Artifact giving you 6 double token effects. Here's where it gets fun now. Cast a Reef Worm. Sac it to greater good and get 256 Fish, which you sac to get 65,536 whales, which you sac to get 16,777,216 Krakens. Are we done yet? Nope! Cast Thromok the Insatiable, devouring all your krakens to make a 281,474,976,710,656/281,474,976,710,656 Thromok. Where do we go from here though? Let your opponent cast Death Mutation on him! Why, that's 7.20575940x10^16 tokens! Good thing we have Body Double to make another Thromok the Insatiable who will be a 5.19229686x10^33/5.19229686x10^33! Seems big enough, but not for us! Since we're red anyways, lets cast a Furnace of Rath, Dictate of the Twin Gods, and a Fire Servant! Now it's time to Fling your guy, dealing a spicy 4.15383749x10^34 damage to your opponent. To put that in perspective, there are an estimated 3x10^23 stars in the known universe. You dealt more damage than there are stars. That'll give your opponent something to think about. PROTIP: Dodge Spellskite decks
I don't have any problem with them to be honest. Mindcensor is probably the best if you're really having trouble.
I played in a GPT today and it didn't go for me. It was terrible in fact. I am going to change it up by adding a maindeck bonfire and a Fiery Justice in the board
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If those decks dropped their anti-goyf cards against you that just seems like bad luck.
It's hard to justify not running 4 goyfs in any Naya 'zoo' deck.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
Modern Daily #6923085 on 04/01/2014
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Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
3 Verdant Catacombs
22 lands
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Wild Nacatl
26 creatures
2 Domri Rade
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
12 other spells
Sideboard
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Blood Moon
2 Choke
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Rule of Law
1 Stony Silence
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Torpor Orb
15 sideboard cards
Manu S (3-1)
Modern Daily #6923028 on 03/30/2014
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Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
1 Forest
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Steam Vents
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
1 Verdant Catacombs
22 lands
1 Birds of Paradise
3 Ethersworn Canonist
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
25 creatures
2 Bant Charm
2 Domri Rade
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
13 other spells
Sideboard
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Bonfire of the Damned
2 Fracturing Gust
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Negate
1 Rule of Law
2 Stony Silence
3 Unified Will
15 sideboard cards
PitBull_RJ (3-1)
Modern Daily #6923085 on 04/01/2014
Download a .dek file for use in Magic Online
Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stomping Ground
2 Temple Garden
1 Verdant Catacombs
22 lands
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
26 creatures
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
12 other spells
Sideboard
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Basilisk Collar
3 Blood Moon
2 Dismember
1 Gift of Orzhova
2 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
15 sideboard cards
Thats crazy isn't it?? To run a Ghostfire? I fear I may end up trying it to be honest. I'm just sick of losing to Etched Champion. However, something I am going to try before that is running the 4th Pridemage, and slipping one Ancient Grudge back into the S/B in place of the Wear//Tear. The deck now looks like
4x Arid Mesa
4x Misty Rainforest
3x Verdant Catacomb
1x Marsh Flats
2x Sacred Foundry
2x Stomping Ground
1x Temple Garden
1x Horizon Canopy
2x Forest
1x Plains
1x Kessig Wolf Run
4x Noble Hierarch
1x Birds of Paradise
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Qasali Pridemage
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Knight of the Reliquary
2x Loxodon Smiter
2x Thundermaw Hellkite
Non-Creature Spells (10):
2x Domri Rade
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Path to Exile
2x Aven Mindcensor
2x Blood Moon
1x Fracturing Gust
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Thrun, The Last Troll
1x Wear // Tear
1x Torpor Orb
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Choke
1x Rule of Law
1x Stony Silence
I've also got pretty hashed out sideboard plans against most decks that I can share if people are interested.
I'm also slightly worried there is going to be a GW Ajani in the new set that may fudge up all my fine tuning.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
I think affinity is a bad match up for this version of zoo. You have to draw better than them to win game 1, then in games 2-3 you still have to draw better, but at least you have 2-3 strong hate cards where they don't have anything as hateful.
Rnd 1 UWR control won 2-0
Stormbreath dragon is insane against them
Rnd 2 hatebears won 2-0
Stormbreath and Nacatl backed with a bunch of removal
Rnd 3 melira pod won 2-0
Cat and Goyf beats backed with removal
Rnd 4 mirror Intent. Draw
That's actually not such a bad idea either. I'll see how I work out with 4 pridemages and maybe drop one for a Blade Splicer if that doesn't seem to work out.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
BIRTHING POD (2)
IN 2x Aver Mindcensor
OUT 2x Loxodon Smiter
SPLINTER TWIN (4)
IN 2x Choke
1x Wear // Tear
1x Torpor Orb
OUT 2x Domri Rade
2x Thundermaw Hellkite
U/W/R (7)
IN 2x Thalia
2x Blood Moon
2x Choke
1x Thrun
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
3x Path to Exile
HATEBEARS (2)
IN 1x Torpor Orb
1x Ancient Grudge
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite
AFFINITY (6)
IN 1x Ancient Grudge
1x Wear // Tear
1x Fracturing Gust
1x Stony Silence
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite 2x Loxodon Smiter
2x Domri Rade
STORM (6)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
2x Choke
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 3x Path to Exile
2x Domri Rade
1x Thundermaw Hellkite
BURN (3)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
OUT 2x Thundermaw Hellkite
1x Domri Rade
B/G/x (1)
IN 1x Thrun
OUT 1x Qusali Pridemage
AURAS (6)
IN 1x Fracturing Gust
2x Blood Moon
2x Thalia
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Path to Exile
TRON (7)
IN 2x Blood Moon
1x Stony Silence
1x Wear // Tear
1x Ancient Grudge
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Domri Rade
1x Scavenging Ooze
BLUE MOON (5)
IN 2x Choke
1x Thrun
1x Wear // Tear
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
LIVING END (3)
IN 2x Thalia
1x Rule of Law
OUT 3x Lightning Bolt
MERFOLK (3)
IN 1x Wear // Tear
2x Choke
OUT 2x Thundermaw
1x Domri Rade
SCAPESHIFT (6)
IN 2x Blood Moon
2x Thalia
2x Aven Mindcensor
OUT 4x Lightning Bolt
2x Path to Exile
What do people think of Stormbreath Dragon vs Thundermaw Hellkite. I feel like the 1 extra power is not as useful as the Pro:White, since Path is a very common way people will kill it.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
...Of course, it's a meta call. See too much Twin/Faeries/Delver/combo/Tron/Affinity/maybe Tokens and Thundermaw looks better than Stormbreath. See too much UW/UWR/Junk/Death and Taxes/GW Hatebears/Soul Sisters and Stormbreath looks better than Thundermaw.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
Might try and shore up the burn matchup a smidge, but other than that im just hoping to play against twin, pod, other Midrange decks all weekend.
Modern Premier #6950600 on 04/06/2014
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Main Deck
60 cards
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
3 Verdant Catacombs
22 lands
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Wild Nacatl
27 creatures
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
11 other spells
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Blood Moon
2 Choke
1 Fracturing Gust
1 Rule of Law
1 Stony Silence
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Torpor Orb
15 sideboard cards
Still on the same list as the last time that you posted?
-1 pridemage
-1 misty
-2 thundermaw
+2 stormbreath
+1 treetop village
+1 smiter
Im going to a modern event tomorrow night
My sideboard still hasnt changed from richmond bc im too lazy to do so, but the SB is still just tuned to beat the top decks.
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy
i am only running 1, plus that land has won me a lot of games, it is still very good.
could even be a raging ravine
Modern Daily #6950696 on 04/08/2014
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Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
3 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
22 lands
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Lotus Cobra
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
24 creatures
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
2 Path to Exile
2 Rancor
14 other spells
Sideboard
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Choke
2 Combust
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Fiery Justice
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Wear // Tear
15 sideboard cards
Watters_Daniel (3-1)
Modern Daily #6950696 on 04/08/2014
Download a .dek file for use in Magic Online
Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
2 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Plains
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Stomping Ground
2 Temple Garden
1 Verdant Catacombs
22 lands
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
26 creatures
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
4 Path to Exile
12 other spells
Sideboard
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Basilisk Collar
3 Blood Moon
1 Gift of Orzhova
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Torpor Orb
15 sideboard cards
Modern Daily #6950702 on 04/09/2014
Download a .dek file for use in Magic Online
Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
3 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
22 lands
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Grim Lavamancer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Lotus Cobra
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
24 creatures
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
2 Path to Exile
2 Rancor
14 other spells
Sideboard
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Choke
2 Combust
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Fiery Justice
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Wear // Tear
15 sideboard cards
whiterknight (4-0)
Modern Daily #6975186 on 04/10/2014
Download a .dek file for use in Magic Online
Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
3 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
22 lands
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Lotus Cobra
2 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
24 creatures
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
2 Path to Exile
2 Rancor
14 other spells
Sideboard
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Choke
2 Combust
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Fiery Justice
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Wear // Tear
15 sideboard cards
Modern Daily #6975192 on 04/11/2014
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Main Deck
60 cards
4 Arid Mesa
3 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
22 lands
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Lotus Cobra
2 Loxodon Smiter
4 Noble Hierarch
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Wild Nacatl
24 creatures
1 Bonfire of the Damned
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Lightning Helix
2 Path to Exile
2 Rancor
14 other spells
Sideboard
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Blood Moon
1 Choke
2 Combust
1 Creeping Corrosion
1 Fiery Justice
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Stony Silence
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Wear // Tear
15 sideboard cards
Standard Mardu Midrange
Modern 4 Colour Delver, Naya Midrange
CommanderSidisi 1v1, Sliver Overlord, Intet the Dreamer, Mayael the Anima (shameless plug http://youtu.be/4zu4QRvGSo8)
I played in a GPT today and it didn't go for me. It was terrible in fact. I am going to change it up by adding a maindeck bonfire and a Fiery Justice in the board
Big Naya in Modern
BUG Delver in Legacy