I've played one Remand on occasion, sometimes in the sideboard for an extra piece against Tron, midrange, and control, but the problem is that so much of Modern is centered around 1-2 drops now that Remand basically is just a 2 mana cycler. Like against Death's Shadow, you bring it in to Remand a Gurmag Angler, which is a huge play. But everything else in their deck costs 1 or 2, and they just replay it, while you've tapped 2 of your 3 or 4 lands for them to do the same, and you draw a card. It just doesn't feel great.
Still, with Tron and UW Control being big in the meta right now, maybe this is the time for it.
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I assumed Remand was the go-to spell in any tempo/protect the queen oriented deck?
What happened for Remand to become out of favour?
The other problem is that you need a way to get permanently rid of some threats (especially creatures) since you don't have good removal in these colors. Hence leak is superior to remand. Remand is good when you have combo to close the game immediately.
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The matchup against Amulet is so good that I'm fine with them getting a new card, especially something that dies to Stubborn Denial. Creatures are this deck's real problem.
At least, that's my perspective. You actually play Amulet, according to your profile, so what do you think?
My opinion is that our deck is probably the best suited for this match up.but at some point our stubborn denials are going to be stretched very thin if amulet adopts karn. I agree creatures are a much bigger problem for our deck. We are likely still very much favoured here though.
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Well just wrapped up a weekend of magic playing delver and had positive results. Nothing stunning, but definitely nothing bad either. Played in three 3-round tournaments a day, Fri-Sun, and landed about 10-6 not counting any draws for prizes. Took home a couple booster boxes in prizes. I’d call UG a real deck.
Well just wrapped up a weekend of magic playing delver and had positive results. Nothing stunning, but definitely nothing bad either. Played in three 3-round tournaments a day, Fri-Sun, and landed about 10-6 not counting any draws for prizes. Took home a couple booster boxes in prizes. I’d call UG a real deck.
Nice results! Congratulations!
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Has anyone tried utilizing Lazotep Plating yet? There's always some GBx decks in my meta, and the hexproof clause seems like it's basically a counterspell against removal, and it protects your hand from IoK or Thoughtsieze if you're holding onto a creature you need. It seems like it's worth a 1-of in the maindeck. Maybe worth a SB slot as well? Just trying to get some data/feedback.
I don't think so! Wouldn't be half bad, but we have to think what we're playing it over and why. So like, Simic Charm is probably the closest comparable card to this. There's positives and negatives here and there. Probably worth some testing
I don't think Flusterstorm is good for us right now. It's a more limited Spell Pierce much of the time. However, I can see the meta clocking around such that it would be great. I'll pick one or two up for the RUG Box when prices settle out.
I haven't been able to play much Modern lately. Locally, it hasn't been firing regularly, so I play when I can here. And I just haven't had the time to play online. And honestly, I'm super looking forward to Horizons to give us some tools. Has anyone playing a lot lately noticed a meta shift with WAR? I've seen a little of the Neoform deck online, but I haven't been playing enough to see stuff like new Teferi, new Karn, etc being played yet. I picked up a few Narset, Parter of Veils as a potential sideboard bullet. I also think that maybe Dovin's Veto makes the Dispel I've considered indispensable in my board, well, dispensable.
Another thing I did is went and broke down my matchups by decks, and found that my perceptions did not match my actual results. I always feel like a dog to UWx control, but I'm 10-4 against Cryptic Command decks. I'm even against the BGx decks. Even against Tron, which shocks me, because I feel like I've rarely lost to it. I'm even against Spirits, which shocks me, because I feel like I've rarely won against it. I'm 1-5 against Dredge, and the 1 was really lucky. I'm slightly behind against Phoenix decks, and a total dog to the mono red version. I'm 1-0 against Hardened Scales but 0-5 (!) against traditional Affinity. I'm a little behind against GDS, and nearly undefeated against Amulet. I'm behind against Burn, although I haven't seen it in quite some time.
All this makes me think that my configuration is wrong, especially with regard to the sideboard. My theory is that I overconsider the BGx and UWx matchups because the matches just take longer and thus more mental space, but I'm hemorraging percentage points against decks I shouldn't be because I've had so much room dedicated to beating the fair decks in my board.
So next time I fire up MTGO, I'm going to try some pretty drastic stuff, jamming in more narrow hate cards and cutting the stuff like Delay that's generically good but more of a sidegrade than a game winner. I'm going to leave in 1x Hazoret, 1x Narset, Parter of Veils, and at least 2x Blood Moon, but other than that, everything is up in the air. And I've also got 4 or 5 mainboard spots that are up for consideration.
But now, back to double sleeving my cube. See you next month or so . . .
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So I’m turning to towards Nimble Obstructionist lately because it is the extra reach, shoal on 3, and a speed bump for the bigger decks in the format; namely Tron and control variants. Currently wrestling around with numbers and what it replaces and stuff. Anybody have any experience with it here? Any advice is appreciated
What are you Shoaling for 3? I had in a Savage Knuckleblade for a few weeks as an extra threat, Stubborn Denial Enabler, and non-graveyard reliant threat. I don't think I ever pitched it to Shoal. Of the 50 most commonly played spells in Modern, it hits O-Stone, Dismember, Mantis Rider, Reflector Mage, and Liliana of the Veil. Beyond that you've got Last Hope, some of the new planeswalkers that are 1-2 ofs in a few decks, and Detention Sphere. Seems pretty loose. I agree that the extra flying threat seems good, but what are you replacing with it?
Prohibit just got spoiled. Without being kicked, it hits 19/20 most played cards in Modern, and the one it doesn't is Walking Ballista, so it sometimes might. It hits 40/50 most played cards without being kicked, and misses just 2, Karn and Wurmcoil, of the 50 most played when it's kicked. It hits 27/50 most played creatures unkicked, and 45/50 most played creatures when kicked. Hits 41/50 most played noncreature spells unkicked, and just Karn and Ugin when kicked. Some of this stuff includes things that don't get cast, like Streeth Wraith, Spirit Guide, Leylines, Creeping Chill, etc, but it hits a ton of stuff with a hard no and a mostly easy mana cost. Late game, it's going to be way better than Mana Leak, especially since two of the big cards it misses, Karn and Ugin, only get hit by a Mana Leak under pretty certain conditions.
This looks like a hard counter to much of the removal of the format, which is what we're mostly concerned about anyway. And we've still got Stubborn Denial for Karn, Ugin, and big Teferi. Basically we're going to miss hitting Wurmcoil, Prime Time, Gurmag Angler, Ulamog, and Reality Smasher.
Huge addition, in my opinion. Obviously much will depend on what else we get, but I'm almost certainly replacing my Mana Leaks one-for-one.
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I don't know about prohibit. 4 mana is a lot to have open. And half of the time it is tempo negative, countering a lesser cmc spell. You can't for example almost ever counter a liliana on turn 3.
It may be good, but I'm not completely sold. I still prefer leak now.
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Force of Negation... I think I'd still prefer Disrupting Shoal? Though I guess the exile clause of New Force counts for something... I just think hitting some creatures for free is still important.
I like getting Prohibit - It was also on my Horizons speculation list so I prematurely dug out a few copies, glad I already have them. It'll be situational, but I think sometimes a hard counter on a cheap creature in the late game will be important.
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Upon thinking for a few more minutes, I'm actually excited to explore the new balancing act that is updating our spell suite.
Force of Negation will certainly replace Disrupting Shoal. This means I'd need to think about how to combat creatures. I think Stubborn Denial is still WAY too good to ever cut, and Mana Leak is very versatile (situationally better than Prohibit a lot of the time). Do I replace the Spell Pierce with a Prohibit? Do I cut a Tarfire as well and run 2 Prohibits?
I'm just not sure how Force of Negation will play. I'm going to take careful note over the next week or so and see what I'm Shoaling. I feel like much of the time, it's Push and Path, which would be easy to steer around this card. But it hits so hard against Looting, walkers, and random stuff like Hardened Scales that it may be worth it. It will certainly require a rework of the spells department, especially with regard to creature removal. My first thought is that Simic Charm stock goes up a bit, and maybe some combination of this, Stubborn Denial, Charm, Leak, and Prohibit will get there.
EDIT: Maybe this doesn't replace Shoal 1 for 1, since it doesn't hit creatures, and the opponent's turn clause is limiting? Maybe 3 in the main with the 4th in the board, and then something to kill creatures in place of the 4th Shoal? Everything is in flux, and I'm not going crazy until spoilers are done. I'm hopeful we'll get a 1cmc cantrip that's scry 1, draw, scry 1, in which case we've got to overhaul the cantrips in the deck, too. And boy, if we get an actual removal spell like a 2cmc, unrestricted Roast . . . watch out.
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Modern: UGRDelver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
You can't FoN a boggles and that's not good.
Jokes aside, I'm putting it in side atm. It will come in for extra fast combo and maybe tron and scapeshift replacing leaks for late game. Stubborn and pierces are stronger maindeck imho and those are the slot to compare. Shoal is different since it can hit everything. I like shoaling a goyf.
The other option could be trying to hit creatures with prohibit, so you may want a couple (or more) of FoN main. But then you'd give up on shielding your creatures on your turn.
For our deck I see our current main configuration the one which covers more options, but we'll see.
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Spell Snare is an option for the Goyf matches. It's definitely strong enough to play as a 1-of main right now, anyway, I just hadn't been.
One thing I'm realizing is how much Shoal warped our spells section. We need like 20 blue cards to pitch, and right now I've got 29. Even having room for a few more nonblue cards opens us up to playing real removal in higher numbers.
I'm waiting to see what else we get. A cantrip and a red removal spell would be the ideal case, I think. And I'm going to worry more about the spell mix once we get that all sorted out.
Snow shocks might make Skred playable, too, if we want to rip a page from Pauper. Chain Lightning would be swell, to take one from Legacy.
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Edit: on further consideration, we'd probably have to play more green cards in order for this to be viable, but I'm curious to see what other UG goodies could be in the mix.
Still, with Tron and UW Control being big in the meta right now, maybe this is the time for it.
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Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
The other problem is that you need a way to get permanently rid of some threats (especially creatures) since you don't have good removal in these colors. Hence leak is superior to remand. Remand is good when you have combo to close the game immediately.
Modern:
My opinion is that our deck is probably the best suited for this match up.but at some point our stubborn denials are going to be stretched very thin if amulet adopts karn. I agree creatures are a much bigger problem for our deck. We are likely still very much favoured here though.
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Nice results! Congratulations!
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I don't think so! Wouldn't be half bad, but we have to think what we're playing it over and why. So like, Simic Charm is probably the closest comparable card to this. There's positives and negatives here and there. Probably worth some testing
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I haven't been able to play much Modern lately. Locally, it hasn't been firing regularly, so I play when I can here. And I just haven't had the time to play online. And honestly, I'm super looking forward to Horizons to give us some tools. Has anyone playing a lot lately noticed a meta shift with WAR? I've seen a little of the Neoform deck online, but I haven't been playing enough to see stuff like new Teferi, new Karn, etc being played yet. I picked up a few Narset, Parter of Veils as a potential sideboard bullet. I also think that maybe Dovin's Veto makes the Dispel I've considered indispensable in my board, well, dispensable.
Another thing I did is went and broke down my matchups by decks, and found that my perceptions did not match my actual results. I always feel like a dog to UWx control, but I'm 10-4 against Cryptic Command decks. I'm even against the BGx decks. Even against Tron, which shocks me, because I feel like I've rarely lost to it. I'm even against Spirits, which shocks me, because I feel like I've rarely won against it. I'm 1-5 against Dredge, and the 1 was really lucky. I'm slightly behind against Phoenix decks, and a total dog to the mono red version. I'm 1-0 against Hardened Scales but 0-5 (!) against traditional Affinity. I'm a little behind against GDS, and nearly undefeated against Amulet. I'm behind against Burn, although I haven't seen it in quite some time.
All this makes me think that my configuration is wrong, especially with regard to the sideboard. My theory is that I overconsider the BGx and UWx matchups because the matches just take longer and thus more mental space, but I'm hemorraging percentage points against decks I shouldn't be because I've had so much room dedicated to beating the fair decks in my board.
So next time I fire up MTGO, I'm going to try some pretty drastic stuff, jamming in more narrow hate cards and cutting the stuff like Delay that's generically good but more of a sidegrade than a game winner. I'm going to leave in 1x Hazoret, 1x Narset, Parter of Veils, and at least 2x Blood Moon, but other than that, everything is up in the air. And I've also got 4 or 5 mainboard spots that are up for consideration.
But now, back to double sleeving my cube. See you next month or so . . .
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
Prohibit just got spoiled. Without being kicked, it hits 19/20 most played cards in Modern, and the one it doesn't is Walking Ballista, so it sometimes might. It hits 40/50 most played cards without being kicked, and misses just 2, Karn and Wurmcoil, of the 50 most played when it's kicked. It hits 27/50 most played creatures unkicked, and 45/50 most played creatures when kicked. Hits 41/50 most played noncreature spells unkicked, and just Karn and Ugin when kicked. Some of this stuff includes things that don't get cast, like Streeth Wraith, Spirit Guide, Leylines, Creeping Chill, etc, but it hits a ton of stuff with a hard no and a mostly easy mana cost. Late game, it's going to be way better than Mana Leak, especially since two of the big cards it misses, Karn and Ugin, only get hit by a Mana Leak under pretty certain conditions.
This looks like a hard counter to much of the removal of the format, which is what we're mostly concerned about anyway. And we've still got Stubborn Denial for Karn, Ugin, and big Teferi. Basically we're going to miss hitting Wurmcoil, Prime Time, Gurmag Angler, Ulamog, and Reality Smasher.
Huge addition, in my opinion. Obviously much will depend on what else we get, but I'm almost certainly replacing my Mana Leaks one-for-one.
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
It may be good, but I'm not completely sold. I still prefer leak now.
Modern:
I like getting Prohibit - It was also on my Horizons speculation list so I prematurely dug out a few copies, glad I already have them. It'll be situational, but I think sometimes a hard counter on a cheap creature in the late game will be important.
Edit; Revised Thinking:
Upon thinking for a few more minutes, I'm actually excited to explore the new balancing act that is updating our spell suite.
currently my suite looks like this:
4 lightning bolt
4 serum visions
2 tarfire
4 Disrupting Shoal
1 spell pierce
3 stubborn denial
1 Simic Charm
2 sleight of hand
1 chart a course
2 mana leak
3 Blood Moon
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Destructive Revelry
2 Hazoret the Fervent
1 Feed the Clan
1 Echoing Truth
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Dismember
Force of Negation will certainly replace Disrupting Shoal. This means I'd need to think about how to combat creatures. I think Stubborn Denial is still WAY too good to ever cut, and Mana Leak is very versatile (situationally better than Prohibit a lot of the time). Do I replace the Spell Pierce with a Prohibit? Do I cut a Tarfire as well and run 2 Prohibits?
What are people thinking?
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EDIT: Maybe this doesn't replace Shoal 1 for 1, since it doesn't hit creatures, and the opponent's turn clause is limiting? Maybe 3 in the main with the 4th in the board, and then something to kill creatures in place of the 4th Shoal? Everything is in flux, and I'm not going crazy until spoilers are done. I'm hopeful we'll get a 1cmc cantrip that's scry 1, draw, scry 1, in which case we've got to overhaul the cantrips in the deck, too. And boy, if we get an actual removal spell like a 2cmc, unrestricted Roast . . . watch out.
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
Jokes aside, I'm putting it in side atm. It will come in for extra fast combo and maybe tron and scapeshift replacing leaks for late game. Stubborn and pierces are stronger maindeck imho and those are the slot to compare. Shoal is different since it can hit everything. I like shoaling a goyf.
The other option could be trying to hit creatures with prohibit, so you may want a couple (or more) of FoN main. But then you'd give up on shielding your creatures on your turn.
For our deck I see our current main configuration the one which covers more options, but we'll see.
Modern:
One thing I'm realizing is how much Shoal warped our spells section. We need like 20 blue cards to pitch, and right now I've got 29. Even having room for a few more nonblue cards opens us up to playing real removal in higher numbers.
I'm waiting to see what else we get. A cantrip and a red removal spell would be the ideal case, I think. And I'm going to worry more about the spell mix once we get that all sorted out.
Snow shocks might make Skred playable, too, if we want to rip a page from Pauper. Chain Lightning would be swell, to take one from Legacy.
EDH: UGEdric
Pauper: UR Delver
Modern: UGR Delver
Draft my cube: Eric's 390 Unpowered
Modern:
Prohibit:
Force of Negation:
Icefang Coatl:
Ranbow Fetch:
Edit: on further consideration, we'd probably have to play more green cards in order for this to be viable, but I'm curious to see what other UG goodies could be in the mix.