Postboard there are even more enablers, admittedly I haven't test any of them out of the board, but while having discusisons about this deck in this forum for over two years, people have boarded the following enablers from time to time:
I have always felt that this deck was a few cards short of not needing subpar filler cards in the main, perhaps light up the stage is the answer to that problem
I was having trouble with mid-range (specifically GW a couple years ago) as well; once they stabilized with a couple creatures I just couldn't do anything. My solution was to experiment with cards that ran interference with the opponents blockers.
I haven't looked for similar types of cards from the last year or two of sets, but if these are the kinds of cards you might be interested in you might want to run a check on the last few sets as well.
It also depends what the current midrange decks you are worried about look like. For example, Goyf decks need something more along heelcutter/chasm/expertise line while hatebear style decks get pretty wrecked by the forked bolt/savage alliance effects. The instant cards that damage the opponents whole team are especially potent if you can set up a Legion Loyalist trigger alongside them.
Thanks for responding. Interesting. The problem I have had is getting blown out via spot removal. I have a solid answer via Shapers' Sanctuary in my Jund list; however, I was wanting build a Mardu version and I can't seem to find anything that gives me the raw value that SS does. But, with a different color different solutions are offered for the same problem.
I guess we would need to see a list to understand why you are getting blown out by spot removal because in my experience spot removal is always lackluster against me; none of the threats are individually powerful enough to warrant spot removal and all of our creatures are so cheap that even 1cmc removal against us never wins more than 1 Mana on the exchange and often trades even on Mana.
The only card advantage that comes to mind for me is light up the stage, but I can't really recommend it because I haven't tested it yet.
I guess we would need to see a list to understand why you are getting blown out by spot removal because in my experience spot removal is always lackluster against me; none of the threats are individually powerful enough to warrant spot removal and all of our creatures are so cheap that even 1cmc removal against us never wins more than 1 Mana on the exchange and often trades even on Mana.
The only card advantage that comes to mind for me is light up the stage, but I can't really recommend it because I haven't tested it yet.
It’s just for my Gobots list. You can just click the primer link and click “sample list” to see it. Just change out the jund colors for mardu and the one flex card for Mardu Accendancy. I just adore that one card. It totally “win more.” But, I like the colors and fluff (story/theme) feel the card gives off. It’s not that I’m getting hosed it simply just a need for a sideboard slot for that pericilar area and white sucks and drawing cards. Haha
I took a look at the list and without having played it I can't really understand why it would be different from the goblins lists I usually play in terms of facing off against midrange decks with push/bolt/path (I assume those are the spot removal you are worried about).
It's an interesting cross between goblins and affinity, but I don't have experience with affinity either. I've played against goblins and affinity a fair time with control and I can say that control has a lot of spot removal and beats up handily on affinity while getting wrecked by goblins. Maybe some of the new tech I've seen out of affinity can help you; experimental frenzy .With my control decks I can never beat affinity when they resolve frenzy.
White is not great at drawing cards, but red is decent at it. I guess my only suggestions are frenzy and light up the stage. I would think that frenzy might be a little too expensive cmc-wise, but if affinity can make it work I can't see why your gobots list couldn't make it work.
I'd be curious to try out Judith, the Scourge Diva (hilarious name) in a black splash version of this deck. Essentially acts as a whacker (+1/+0) and adds some reach.
Hey guys, what is the probability of Goblin Ringleader, Goblin Matron and Goblin Lackey appear in Modern Horizons set?
It's tough to speculate but I don't think any of those cards are too powerful for modern. If there is a goblin theme in the set I can't see why they wouldn't include some of these. Goblins have always been a part of mtg lore and are a fan favorite for sure, so I'd say there is a chance.
Ember Hauler does not seem very efficient to me - it does neither have haste nor evasion and the ability needs further mana investment
Goblin Wardriver feels more like a budget solution for go-wide versions; for that you might want a lower curve
Have you seen Reckless Bushwhacker yet? From what I know, Goblin lists either want to focus on lord effects or whack effects
The Goblin King/Blood Moon plan is cute - it usually takes too many turns though, time that could be better spent bringing your opponent down to 0 life
So, perhaps compare some of the other lists in this thread - you will notice 2-3 archetypes. If I am not mistaken, nothing much changed over the last 6-12 months.
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Modern: Death&Taxes / U Tron / G Tron / Goblins
Legacy: Death&Taxes (almost there)
EDH: Squee, Goblin Nabob / Phelddagrif
Any thoughts on using Otherworldly Outburst as a response to removal? A 3/2 for 1 mana is pretty good and also works well when you lose a goblin to blockers.
It sounds somehow too cute of a card choice. Because as a Sideboard option it is probably not much enough of an upgrade while beeing to bad to warrant a maindeck slot.
- Mogg Fanatic
- Fanatical Firebrand
- Frenzied Goblin
- Goblin Grenade
- Lightning Bolt
Postboard there are even more enablers, admittedly I haven't test any of them out of the board, but while having discusisons about this deck in this forum for over two years, people have boarded the following enablers from time to time:- Forked Bolt
- Grim Lavamancer
- Goblin Fireslinger
And potentially even Tin Street DodgerI have always felt that this deck was a few cards short of not needing subpar filler cards in the main, perhaps light up the stage is the answer to that problem
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I tested the following:
I haven't looked for similar types of cards from the last year or two of sets, but if these are the kinds of cards you might be interested in you might want to run a check on the last few sets as well.
It also depends what the current midrange decks you are worried about look like. For example, Goyf decks need something more along heelcutter/chasm/expertise line while hatebear style decks get pretty wrecked by the forked bolt/savage alliance effects. The instant cards that damage the opponents whole team are especially potent if you can set up a Legion Loyalist trigger alongside them.
Thanks for responding. Interesting. The problem I have had is getting blown out via spot removal. I have a solid answer via Shapers' Sanctuary in my Jund list; however, I was wanting build a Mardu version and I can't seem to find anything that gives me the raw value that SS does. But, with a different color different solutions are offered for the same problem.
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The only card advantage that comes to mind for me is light up the stage, but I can't really recommend it because I haven't tested it yet.
It’s just for my Gobots list. You can just click the primer link and click “sample list” to see it. Just change out the jund colors for mardu and the one flex card for Mardu Accendancy. I just adore that one card. It totally “win more.” But, I like the colors and fluff (story/theme) feel the card gives off. It’s not that I’m getting hosed it simply just a need for a sideboard slot for that pericilar area and white sucks and drawing cards. Haha
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It's an interesting cross between goblins and affinity, but I don't have experience with affinity either. I've played against goblins and affinity a fair time with control and I can say that control has a lot of spot removal and beats up handily on affinity while getting wrecked by goblins. Maybe some of the new tech I've seen out of affinity can help you; experimental frenzy .With my control decks I can never beat affinity when they resolve frenzy.
White is not great at drawing cards, but red is decent at it. I guess my only suggestions are frenzy and light up the stage. I would think that frenzy might be a little too expensive cmc-wise, but if affinity can make it work I can't see why your gobots list couldn't make it work.
Hope that helps!
Try Judith, the Scourge Diva, Skirk Prospector, Squee, the Immortal and Runaway Steam-Kin.
It's tough to speculate but I don't think any of those cards are too powerful for modern. If there is a goblin theme in the set I can't see why they wouldn't include some of these. Goblins have always been a part of mtg lore and are a fan favorite for sure, so I'd say there is a chance.
Competetive: Lantern Control, MonoR Phoenix, Dredge
Meta-Dependant: Modern Cheeri0s, Esper Spirits, Wilderness Teachings , Modern Elves, All-in Death's Shadow, Aristocrats, BW Death&Taxes
Fun own projects: Spireside Industries, UB Scrapyard, Thundercat Worship, Dirty Kitten, RB Rock, Eternal Toolbox
2x Ember Hauler
3x Goblin King
4x Foundry Street Denizen
4x Goblin Bushwhacker
4x Goblin Chieftain
4x Goblin Guide
4x Goblin Wardriver
4x Legion Loyalist
4x Goblin Grenade
Instants 4
4x Lightning Bolt
Enchantments 3
3x Blood Moon
Lands 20
1x Arid Mesa
1x Bloodstained Mire
2x Stomping Grounds
3x Wooded Foothills
4x Sacred Foundry
9x Mountain
1x Blood Moon
1x Goblin King
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Grafdigger's Cage
2x Boros Charm
3x Shattering Spree
4x Path to Exile
Can I get a few opinions on this? Are there new goblins who can go in? Anyone who can go out?
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
Vintage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legacy
So, perhaps compare some of the other lists in this thread - you will notice 2-3 archetypes. If I am not mistaken, nothing much changed over the last 6-12 months.
Legacy: Death&Taxes (almost there)
EDH: Squee, Goblin Nabob / Phelddagrif
Budget Modern: GStompyG | R8-WhackR
there we go - Goblin Matron spoiled for Modern Horizons.
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
where are you getting your spoilers?