Round 1 vs. rg breach. I got my bogle big and it was fast. I then drew spirit link and I was literally out of range for lethal at 5 mana for him and lethal next turn. In the next game, he summoners pact and breached Titan, but I had path to exile and was able to cast gaddock teeg with spider umbra to shut down Chandra, torch. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Kiki chord. Luckily I'm on the play and have a lot of pressure. Path clears the way and I have lethal. In the next game, I made a mistake and he chorded for spellskite. I draw path and get it, but he comboes with angel and Kiki. In the final game I go all in on kor spiritdancer and it kills him on turn 4 or close to it. 2-1.
Round 3 vs. gb tron. I have all the pressure to his mull to 4. He gets 2 tron pieces right away, but doesn't find ugin or the 3rd tron piece. In the next game I'm crunching in, but draw gaddock teeg to put an umbra on it and I'm now safe. He scoops after I top deck ethereal armor. He had Nature's Claim, but it would have been tough for him to win from there. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. gb belcher. Paired down so no ID. The other 2 3-0s ID and root against me, lol. Both games are pretty easy as I suit up my dude and goldfish him. Had leyline for charbelcher and discard. Drew my 3rd land first and umbraed my spiritdancer. Got there soon afterward. 2-0.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
I appreciate the replies from eveybody here. The next time my brother goes to FNM, I'll be sure to send him packing an Open the Armory and Cartouche of Strength / Wheel of Sun and Moon. It's a little heavier on the 3CMC - side, but since it's mostly in the sideboard, I'm pretty sure that should be fine. When I find a Guttural Response, I'll probably throw that in as well.
I can try to update and provide a list when that happens. I appreciate the responses.
Also, happy Bogles hey-day with that GP Toronto win and the unbannings. I agree that the deck seems to be very well-positioned for the near future :D.
Considering OP mentioned Open the Armory, I'm assuming that's the reason behind playing wheel since it can be tutored up. However, unless someone is playing a budget build, I don't believe Open the Armory has a place in the deck; it's been thoroughly tested and ultimately it's just too slow for the meta and our game plan. I really wanted OtA to work, but it's just too clunky; it'd be excellent if it costed a single mana or allowed you to cast the aura you fetch rather than adding it to your hand.
@Ditto: Like l33twash0r said, you're better off running Rest in Peace for graveyard hate. Also, I'm curious what your meta looks like? I only ask because Guttural is a very narrow SB option and if you insist on running some sort of interaction/counters, you may find Mana Tithe to be a better option for you.
Round 1 vs. rg breach. I got my bogle big and it was fast. I then drew spirit link and I was literally out of range for lethal at 5 mana for him and lethal next turn. In the next game, he summoners pact and breached Titan, but I had path to exile and was able to cast gaddock teeg with spider umbra to shut down Chandra, torch. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Kiki chord. Luckily I'm on the play and have a lot of pressure. Path clears the way and I have lethal. In the next game, I made a mistake and he chorded for spellskite. I draw path and get it, but he comboes with angel and Kiki. In the final game I go all in on kor spiritdancer and it kills him on turn 4 or close to it. 2-1.
Round 3 vs. gb tron. I have all the pressure to his mull to 4. He gets 2 tron pieces right away, but doesn't find ugin or the 3rd tron piece. In the next game I'm crunching in, but draw gaddock teeg to put an umbra on it and I'm now safe. He scoops after I top deck ethereal armor. He had Nature's Claim, but it would have been tough for him to win from there. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. gb belcher. Paired down so no ID. The other 2 3-0s ID and root against me, lol. Both games are pretty easy as I suit up my dude and goldfish him. Had leyline for charbelcher and discard. Drew my 3rd land first and umbraed my spiritdancer. Got there soon afterward. 2-0.
2 4-0's in a row, good job! Do you have a link to your decklist perhaps?
I've played Bogles for quite a long tmie, so I don't feel the need to copy someone's deck list. I can look at some newer ones for ideas, but I generally stick with my own thing. Seal of Primordium needs to be replaced with Nature's Claims since Chalice of the Void is just NOT prevalent. I think the worst slot for me is the Unflinching Courage, which has never been good, nor bad. Just meh...
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I love playing Leyline MD <3
The great Weakness of Bogles is Discard and Sacc. So I tell you, play Leylines MD.
Ethereal Armor has more Enchantments and you dont need the Cartouche and can play the Umbras to dodge Massremoval. Give it a try.
Also if you face many greedy manabases, try Suppression Field. Your opponents will hate you
I played main board Leyline of Sanctity before and it just seemed to up the (already super high) variance of Bogles. I played at an FNM, running into 4 discard decks. Demolished 2 Shadows in which I turn 1ed them a few times and lost to Jund and Shadow in which I never had a before the game Leyline in any of the 3 games each. I can be very experience biased when it comes to things like that.
Played in a 1K today - 24 people for 5 rounds of Swiss. I did switch to main board Leyline today because it looked like I needed it.
Round 1 vs. UB Control. He plays Spreading Seas on turns 2 and 3. It slows me down a little bit and I don't have anything to add to my original Rancor and Daybreak Coronet. Turn 4 Damnation. I rebuild a little bit, but Damnation on turn 6 into Jace, the Mind Sculptor leaves me drawing 2 straight Daybreak Coronet after he fatesealed to the bottom. No Umbra drawn by me. In the next game, I DO have Leyline of Sanctity. The problem? I have only a little gas. I draw 3 more Leyline of Sanctity this game. I discard them to Liliana of the Veil. He gets Damnation again and double Spreading Seas can slow a Bogle down I guess. 0-2.
Round 2 vs. Jund. In the first game, I Leyline of Sanctity. He plays nothing until BBE into Dark Confidant. I do Kor Spiritdancer into Spider Umbra and Ethereal Armor. An Ethereal Armor and Rancor make it close enough to lethal for him to scoop. The next game, I don't have Leyline, but I have a solid hand. A Bogle is Liliana'ed. A Kor Spiritdancer is Liliana'ed. A Dryad Arbor gets the 3rd Liliana, but I have another Kor Spiritdancer and a million Auras. He literally only drew 3 Lilies and 1 Goyf. I had Path the whole time, but didn't need to use it. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. GW Value Town. Todd Stevens made this deck famous. This deck doesn't really have a chance against us, outside of maybe killing all of our lands before we can get a dude big enough. I get an 8/4 and that's enough for him to scoop. In the next game, I have a choice of playing a 2nd Kor Spiritdancer on turn 3 and Auras, but I go for a bunch of Auras on the turn 2 one instead and win easily, despite him doing a turn 3 Sigarda, Host of Herons. He showed me 2 Engineered Explosives afterward. I told him that you keep in Path to Exile for Gaddock Teeg at least because he shuts down Company AND Engineered Explosives. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. BR Moon? In the first game, he played 4 Swamp, discard, Bob, and double Liliana of the Veil. The 2nd one got me and I knew he had it right away. I never drew a creature after that and after he ticked up the Liliana again and I only had 2 Leyline of Sanctity, I didn't want to show him the Leyline in the main deck. I love drawing 2 Leyline of Sanctity during a game! The next game put me on serious tilt. Before the game Leyline of Sanctity. I play Bogle and then Rancor, but attack into a Dark Confidant. He blocks and I get another Bogle. I put Rancor next turn, but he gets a Blood Moon out. I literally didn't see Red the first game. I am screwed, but he only has 1 Swamp. He is being swung down 1 at a time to 8 life, but finds the Swamp. I find a Forest and he ticks up Liliana of the Veil after he tried to get me to sacrifice a creature. The Judge told essentially that he could try to do it and if he gets away with it, it's on the Judge's discretion if it can be taken back, but there is no consequence other than a warning for trying to do it. Cooooool. Later on, he says that he is Ultimating Lily and puts it in the graveyard. I ask him, "are you really going to do that?" He surprisingly says yes. The Judge is called and he takes his Lily back from the graveyard and upticks it, getting my 2nd Leyline. Sweet! I honestly feel like I need to learn to Magic like these types of players. I may start and I honestly don't care if someone calls me a douchebag. This is the way to play Magic, as witnessed by this guy IDing into the top 8. It goes back and forth, but Surgical Extraction on Gladecover Scout and double Bontu's Last Reckoning, not leaving his lands untapped the following turn put me on tilt enough. The 2nd time it was done, a bystander was watching our incredible match of Magic and says something. I scoop and sign the slip immediately. 0-2.
Round 5 vs. Lantern. I saw this guy playing Lantern earlier and I don't need this after I learned in the previous round that I don't know how to play the game of Magic. I have NO idea what the difference between Casual REL and Comp REL is. I don't try to take advantage of my opponents, which is what you're supposed to do if you want to win. I signed the slip 0-2 and left quickly. 0-2.
2-3. I played very well today, unlike the other 4-0s where I just had easy decisions. Didn't get rewarded. Drew something like 40 Leyline of Sanctities during the games played. I learned that they're good fodder for Liliana upticks, but usually eventually they will get some valuable cards too.
*Also chickened out on playing Grishoalbrand today. Saw some potential Shadow players. Went 3-3 my first 6 matches against Shadow with Griselbrand, but dropped 4 in a row. Discard into me doing draw spells that don't draw ***** is a recipe for disaster.
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I need some help fellow Boglers!!! I am 8 cards away from foiling and signing the entirety of my deck. It is an absolutely masterpiece. The cards I am looking for a 4 x Spiritdancers and 4 Scouts (signed and foiled, obviously). I will pay pretty much anything if anyone has them and is willing to part with them. I realize there is a trading post on the site but I knew my only chance was throwing something up in here. PLEASE send me a message if you have any leads. I'll post a pic of the deck for you guys as soon as I'm done.
FoodChainsGoblins - That is a rough tourney report. I am always amazed at how much the judge rulings usual favor the player that screwed up. Like, isn't knowing and following the rules part of the game?? I understand that mistakes are made. I have made a ton of them. But even on my own mistakes I feel the responsibility to punish myself much harder than the judge ever does. Anyway, just keep your head up and keep playing the way you do. At the end of the day your playing with little pieces of cardboard and going home with your ethics and morals in tact is far more important.
I need some help fellow Boglers!!! I am 8 cards away from foiling and signing the entirety of my deck. It is an absolutely masterpiece. The cards I am looking for a 4 x Spiritdancers and 4 Scouts (signed and foiled, obviously). I will pay pretty much anything if anyone has them and is willing to part with them. I realize there is a trading post on the site but I knew my only chance was throwing something up in here. PLEASE send me a message if you have any leads. I'll post a pic of the deck for you guys as soon as I'm done.
FoodChainsGoblins - That is a rough tourney report. I am always amazed at how much the judge rulings usual favor the player that screwed up. Like, isn't knowing and following the rules part of the game?? I understand that mistakes are made. I have made a ton of them. But even on my own mistakes I feel the responsibility to punish myself much harder than the judge ever does. Anyway, just keep your head up and keep playing the way you do. At the end of the day your playing with little pieces of cardboard and going home with your ethics and morals in tact is far more important.
I actually do have a foil Kor Spiritdancer. It kind of bugs me because the rest of my Bogles deck is completely non foiled. I prefer it that way for Bogles because I want my opponents to think of it as a Troll or Meme deck and underestimate me. I would definitely be willing to part with it for a regular non foil and some cash.
Regarding the plays, I feel you. Everyone makes mistakes. I had 2 friends lose in the top 4 of PPTQs recently because of them when they were NOT able to "take it back." The finals for each of them would have been a super good matchup, but the Judge's call is always correct, especially at smaller events where there is no Head Judge. I do realize that I am not a competitive player by nature now. I think I have resigned myself to more of the collecting nature of Magic. I don't feel a need to cheat to win in Magic, but there is something VERY inherently wrong with my feelings there. I find myself wanting to try to do those plays, but have stopped myself so far. This is when I realize that it's hard to change play patterns and play styles. I will never be even a merely average Magic player. It's sad because I've played for too long to be this terrible. In the past, 2 misplays like that would have resulted in TWO game Warnings, which equal a Game Loss. It's not a big deal since he could have just tried to cheat me in the 3rd game as well and it seemed karma was definitely on his side on the drawing portion as well (which admittedly Bogles rarely draws better cards from the top of its library than its opponents).
*I could have literally won a match at the recent FNM with Affinity vs. Enchantress by activating my Inkmoth Nexus, paying for double Ghostly Prison, and swinging while sacrificing creatures with Arcbound Ravager, but I was 1 mana short. I even considered it, but figured it didn't matter since his only out on an empty hand was drawing Sphere of Safety. His 2 previous draws were second White Source and 5th total mana and Leyline of Sanctity, which prevented a Ghirapur Aether Grid kill. I figured, why cheat when I probably win next turn anyway? Well, I learned why those players do better than me...
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All three of those things are clearly game rule violations and each one merits a warning. Three (not two) game rule violations in the same event is automatically upgraded to a game loss and it seems like that should have happened here. Did you appeal to the head judge when he got off without warnings? Maybe there was only that one judge? It's still fine to ask "is he getting a warning?" and if the answer is "no" you can follow up with "why?". If the judge persists you should probably back down as it's improper to be telling the judge what to do too much.
The Judge told essentially that he could try to do it and if he gets away with it, it's on the Judge's discretion if it can be taken back, but there is no consequence other than a warning for trying to do it.
I'm not really sure what the judge is trying to say here and I'm almost certain that you misunderstood something. He is absolutely not allowed to "try it and see if you notice", doing so intentionally is cheating. If he makes a mistake and tries to target you with a Liliana when you have hexproof that's a game rule violation but it's not at all up to the judges discretion whether he can take it back or not. Activating Liliana and targeting you is illegal so it never actually happens and he has to choose another play, including upticking Liliana. He would never be forced to choose himself as a target for the sacrifice. Same thing goes for the ultimate really. If someone tries to do something illegal, you give them a warning and the game is in the state it was before the declaration.
So these things are not takebacks and it's not comparable to for example declaring a bad attack or playing the wrong land and wanting to take it back. There's a difference between a bad play and an illegal play.
I need some help fellow Boglers!!! I am 8 cards away from foiling and signing the entirety of my deck. It is an absolutely masterpiece. The cards I am looking for a 4 x Spiritdancers and 4 Scouts (signed and foiled, obviously). I will pay pretty much anything if anyone has them and is willing to part with them. I realize there is a trading post on the site but I knew my only chance was throwing something up in here. PLEASE send me a message if you have any leads. I'll post a pic of the deck for you guys as soon as I'm done.
FoodChainsGoblins - That is a rough tourney report. I am always amazed at how much the judge rulings usual favor the player that screwed up. Like, isn't knowing and following the rules part of the game?? I understand that mistakes are made. I have made a ton of them. But even on my own mistakes I feel the responsibility to punish myself much harder than the judge ever does. Anyway, just keep your head up and keep playing the way you do. At the end of the day your playing with little pieces of cardboard and going home with your ethics and morals in tact is far more important.
I actually do have a foil Kor Spiritdancer. It kind of bugs me because the rest of my Bogles deck is completely non foiled. I prefer it that way for Bogles because I want my opponents to think of it as a Troll or Meme deck and underestimate me. I would definitely be willing to part with it for a regular non foil and some cash.
Regarding the plays, I feel you. Everyone makes mistakes. I had 2 friends lose in the top 4 of PPTQs recently because of them when they were NOT able to "take it back." The finals for each of them would have been a super good matchup, but the Judge's call is always correct, especially at smaller events where there is no Head Judge. I do realize that I am not a competitive player by nature now. I think I have resigned myself to more of the collecting nature of Magic. I don't feel a need to cheat to win in Magic, but there is something VERY inherently wrong with my feelings there. I find myself wanting to try to do those plays, but have stopped myself so far. This is when I realize that it's hard to change play patterns and play styles. I will never be even a merely average Magic player. It's sad because I've played for too long to be this terrible. In the past, 2 misplays like that would have resulted in TWO game Warnings, which equal a Game Loss. It's not a big deal since he could have just tried to cheat me in the 3rd game as well and it seemed karma was definitely on his side on the drawing portion as well (which admittedly Bogles rarely draws better cards from the top of its library than its opponents).
*I could have literally won a match at the recent FNM with Affinity vs. Enchantress by activating my Inkmoth Nexus, paying for double Ghostly Prison, and swinging while sacrificing creatures with Arcbound Ravager, but I was 1 mana short. I even considered it, but figured it didn't matter since his only out on an empty hand was drawing Sphere of Safety. His 2 previous draws were second White Source and 5th total mana and Leyline of Sanctity, which prevented a Ghirapur Aether Grid kill. I figured, why cheat when I probably win next turn anyway? Well, I learned why those players do better than me...
Thanks for getting back to me. I am looking for a foil AND signed Spiritdancer. I've got the foil copies. Thanks though!
Luckily Bogles is a fairly straight forward deck so I have only come into a handful of rule descrepancies. I don't get the chance to play a ton so I go into alot of tournaments pretty rusty. That's when I worry most about decks like Storm playiong super fast and me totally missing something. I showed up once to the table with 59 cards by mistake. I mailed a Temple Garden away to get signed and forgot to put it back! I immidietly called a judge and he gave me a game loss. I know that's probably what the book says but I would have given myself a match loss. I absolutly hammered him in games 2 and 3 and felt awful about it. I felt the same way about the witchbane orb PT game. I think that kid should have been given a match loss. Showing up, being prepared, and knowing your deck is part if it. Anyways..
Played at 22 player FNM. In the middle of a terrible slump right now.
Round 1 vs. UR Breach. In the first game, I keep a hand with Kor Spiritdancer and 2 fetches. He shows Red mana each turn, so I play nothing but lands for a million turns. Eventually I have 9 lands in play, Blood Moon is out, and I have 4 fetches and a Horizon Canopy in the GY. He Bolts, ScM/Bolts. Easy to win when the opponent has no plays. In the next game, I go all-in on a Kor Spiritdancer and he does 3 Serum Visions, 3 Opt, and then scoops with 3 lands in play. I had Gaddock Teeg out. In the last game, I play next to nothing. He does turn 5 Through the Breach Emrakul and I'm at 15 since he Bolted me EoT. 1-2.
Round 2 vs. Ad Nauseam. Best player here - number 1 in CA in PW points. I have a quick Kor Spiritdancer and the kill, so he has to Angel's Grace. He does Ad Nauseam the next turn, but doesn't have Angel's Grace. In the next game, Gaddock Teeg gets Hyena Umbra and gets really large. He doesn't stand a chance once I get Rancor and essentially everything I need to win. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. RUG Scapeshift. I have had some interesting draws vs. this guy. I am literally SCARED *****LESS to play this guy because I can often guess what's my worst next 5 draws and it's surprisingly close. Guessing his hand is easy as well and my most mulls and LOOSE keeps are against this guy. Remember boys, always be all right with mulling to 4 or 5 if your hand is crap. I think I beat him 5 of the first 6 times I played him with various decks, but since have missed on Collected Company (he's the number 1 reason I stopped playing Company, since it gets 0 creatures vs. him), mulliganed like crazy, or drawn a million lands vs. 4 Cryptic Command most games. How do I know he plays 4 Cryptic Command? I have seen them in half the games we played. That's proof. I don't draw anything and lose. In the next game, I have Bogle + double Ethereal Armor. I draw literally nothing else and it gets chumped by Sakura Tribe-Elder into Ob Baloth into Cryptics and Scapeshift. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. GB Pox. He does Bontu's Last Reckoning and Smallpox to get me. In the next game, Gaddock Teeg survives after a Smallpox and Bontu's Last Reckoning and I actually draw some Auras to push damage. In the final game, Leyline of Sanctity stumps him, as he shows me 3 Inquisition of Kozilek after the game. He played 0 Bontu's Last Reckoning and 0 Smallpox as my creatures had that hedged anyway with Hyena Umbra and multiple creatures. 2-1.
2-2. Probably my 4th 2-2 in a row. I guess I'm just playing terribly. I also pussied out on running GDS, which I had planned to do.
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He played 0 Bontu's Last Reckoning and 0 Smallpox as my creatures had that hedged anyway with Hyena Umbra and multiple creatures.
So what was he trying to do to win in that final game with 0 of his best interaction spells?
(Sidenote: I am currently testing two copies of Dromoka's Command in the mainboard. My meta is: Bogles, Affinity, Mardu Pyromancer, D&T, Burn, Tron, R/W Prison.)
He played 0 Bontu's Last Reckoning and 0 Smallpox as my creatures had that hedged anyway with Hyena Umbra and multiple creatures.
So what was he trying to do to win in that final game with 0 of his best interaction spells?
(Sidenote: I am currently testing two copies of Dromoka's Command in the mainboard. My meta is: Bogles, Affinity, Mardu Pyromancer, D&T, Burn, Tron, R/W Prison.)
No, I was just saying that he didn't draw either of those spells, even if I had hedged for them a bit by having good draws myself. It was unlucky for him.
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I've been playing this deck for almost four years now and I've yet to encounter the mirror, albeit I don't have as much time to get out and play as I used to, but I'm curious if any of you fellas have went up against it considering the renewed interest in the deck? I've seen quite a few players from here as well as on Reddit mention how they've been running into more Bogles players. Regaining Tier 2 status is both a blessing and a curse considering how easy it is to hate us out should the meta move in that direction and cards like Fracturing Gust start becoming more prevalent in SBs. Or god forbid Aura Barbs; I highly doubt barbs would ever be an issue since it's so narrow, but there was a stretch of 2-3 months where multiple players at my LGS were packing it since I was notorious for playing Bogles. Those were dark times
I've been playing this deck for almost four years now and I've yet to encounter the mirror, albeit I don't have as much time to get out and play as I used to, but I'm curious if any of you fellas have went up against it considering the renewed interest in the deck? I've seen quite a few players from here as well as on Reddit mention how they've been running into more Bogles players. Regaining Tier 2 status is both a blessing and a curse considering how easy it is to hate us out should the meta move in that direction and cards like Fracturing Gust start becoming more prevalent in SBs. Or god forbid Aura Barbs; I highly doubt barbs would ever be an issue since it's so narrow, but there was a stretch of 2-3 months where multiple players at my LGS were packing it since I was notorious for playing Bogles. Those were dark times
Damn! Did someone ever resolve Aura Barbs against you? That's terribly unlucky.
I think if someone wants to hedge for the mirror, they have to give up perhaps a Stony Silence, 1 Gaddock Teeg, and maybe a Rest in Peace from the SB for 3 Ray of Revelation. It's a card that I have sided occasionally when a local Enchantress player has played and it seems SUPER good vs. the mirror.
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Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
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Round 1 vs. Slivers. In the first game, I get Kor Spiritdancer down and make her big. I finally get lifelink with Unflinching Courage and it's barely enough to win. If she had GAS with her last card, like another Lord, I would have lost. I drew into Path to Exile to use on the flier, then block with Bogle. In the next game, I have some Kor Spiritdancers and they rip her apart. She gets a Harmonic Sliver, but I Path to Exile it. She gets another, but I have so many Auras in hand that it is easy. On turn 5, I actually make a mistake of putting every non lifelink Aura on because I think it's lethal, but instead, she loses her board, except Mutavault and goes to 2 life. I was at 4 life myself, so it wasn't the safest move. When I drew 2 Ethereal Armor off a draw trigger, I assumed it was game. Kind of a big mistake. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Burn. I get Daybreak Coronet and it's elementary from there. In the next game, Leyline of Sanctity before the game shuts him down and I get lifelink again. Easy peasy. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. GW Devoted Druid. In the first game, I keep a hand with extreme pressure, but he has the combo on his turn 3 on the play, so he shows me. IN the next game, I draw 0 Auras. I have a Spider Umbra, which draws a card off Kor Spiritdancer and I add another one later on, but he gets me with a bunch of Bears. Rest in Peace made sure Knight of the Reliquary stayed a Bear. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. Ponza. I play against a friend. I put some pressure, but they're only +1/+1 Auras and I run out of gas. My draw step produces nothing for 7 turns and Karn Liberated and a few speed bumps stop me from doing lethal. In the next 2 games, I have enough to get there. He has to Fracturing Gust away 2 Utopia Sprawl to stay alive and I get some Rancors back. In the next game, he uses Beast Within with his LAST CARD to get my Gaddock Teeg after Rec Sage kills the Hyena Umbra. He doesn't have gas and I put Rancor and Ethereal Armor on a dude and get through in the next few turns. 2-1.
I finish 3-1 with the deck, which isn't bad. I got a bit of a scare when matched against Slivers, but honestly I've drawn pretty well vs. this girl in the few times we played ever since I drew terribly when she was on Bant Spirits.
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1. In general I have been winning quite a bit lately so I am up on the deck but I hesitate to say that I am running hot, but rather, the sorts of opponents that always have it have just not had it lately. E.g. Playing Jund without Leyline protection 2 games in a row and never get hand disrupted. Or playing Tron and them not being able to get to a natural Tron. My last 3 comp MTGO leagues have been 5-0, 2-3, 4-1 and I placed 9th out of 70-something (5-2) at a 2.5k held at Pastimes Games last Saturday. I tend to play around things as much as I can but I have been forcing myself to jam a bit harder lately and it has been paying off. Sooner or later my opponents will start having it again and expect to get punished.
My list is pretty generic at the moment (https://imgur.com/a/sjDlI). I am on the 3 Spiritdancer plan on MTGO and 4 in paper. Not sure which I like better.
2. Does anyone have thoughts on the increase in Blood Moon + Field of Ruin in the format? I am fetching basics early and often against anything that can Blood Moon me and am losing some portion of games to Blood Moon when I just have 2 natural non basics to run an otherwise fine hand. Another issue is U/W now running Field of Ruin + Path can run us out of lands pretty quickly too. I find myself daydreaming of running a manabase that looks like 8 fetches, 2 forest, 2 plains, dryad arbor, 4 horizon canopy, 2 temple garden, 1 thicket. Has anyone experimented with that? I suppose things would become very inconsistent.
3. I am really enjoying Dromoka's Command in the board and would run 2 without hesitation in a burn heavy meta. The fight effect isn't really expected out of our deck and anyhow having 4 modes on 1 spell is always going to give you some options. For instance, against burn the lifelink fight effect at instant speed is way better than the Cartouche of Strength effect people were testing. It let's us play around deflecting palm blowouts so long as there is a target to fight. I have been boarding it in against counters company type decks and I am happy to kill a thing without giving them a basic. I had a game against Burn this week where I had a Leyline down, and he was racing his Goblin Guide + Eidolon against my small 3/3 boggle and a naked boggle. I topped a Dromoka's Command and made him sac an enchantment (Eidolon) and fought his Guide and that was basically that. Overall, I like this card way better than the 4th Seal.
4. Cartouche of Solidarity - I was so high on this card a few months ago but it seems to have been pushed back out of the deck by the realization that we really need those Gryff's Boons for evasion. I didn't realize how much I missed Gryff's Boon until I went back up from 0 to 2!
5. How does anyone ever beat U/W? I consider this an auto-lose unless my opponent somehow can't get to 4 mana. Gaddock Teague can help but smart UW players never take out their path's. I tried running a Choke but even when it comes down it just slows them up a bit. I played that Pastimes tournament with 2 surgical extractions in my board thinking the best way to beat the t4 cryptic/verdict, t5 cryptic/verdict, t6 snap cryptic/verdict would be to Surgical the cards after t4 but it never really worked out. I am curious to keep messing around with Surgical as it seems a good sideboard card against a bunch of various combo decks including Living End which is otherwise fairly miserable.
1. I haven't really been playing just Bogles enough to say. I have done solidly while playing it at the local level, but each time I tried outside at Comp REL, the deck has floundered for me. A lot of that is just me guessing what my opponent has 4 draws in a row and he gets that, barely eeking out a win for him while I draw 4 blanks in a row (additional Bogles and lands). It has scared me from playing the deck at Comp REL since I am very used to top 8ing with any deck I play at these events. So, even though Bogles brought me 2 PPTQ wins in my first 2 PPTQ seasons, I am somewhat scared of the variance at this level right now. Just my personal experience...
2. Against a Blood Moon deck, I feel that getting the Forest and Plains is good enough. Often you can't get these and you WILL lose, but it's part of the game. If there are a LOT of Blood Moons going around, I could see the changes that you referred to. Regarding Field of Ruin, it's too slow. If an opponent has that much time to stabilize and starts doing that, then our deck has failed us and we kind of deserve to lose at this point if it is affecting us. We still try to eek out the win, but if we can't, our deck was just too slow.
3. Dromoka's Command is no doubt good in a super heavy Burn meta. I just don't think we need it in an "average" meta because we have Leyline and lifelink creatures. Sure, sometimes we draw somewhat suboptimally and have to slog through or end up losing, but I don't think our hedging should be done here, of course unless you see the deck a heck of a lot!
4. Cartouche of Solidarity - I am actually somewhat torn here. I don't know if this or Hyena Umbra is better. I ran into a deck with 2 main board Damnation and the Cartouche cost me (since it was 2 in the place of 2 Hyena). I have liked Cartouche from time to time because the extra body is fun, but I think that when I play Comp REL, I'm going back to Hyena Umbra. Regarding Gryff's Boon, I never have liked the card much, so I only play 1. If I need evasion, my 3 Spirit Mantle and the Rancor semi evasion will get me there.
5. UW is tough. They have all the answers. They have the ability to Cryptic Command bounce an Umbra into Supreme Verdict. I just say that you go balls to the wall, try to save a Bogle and something to rebuild, and pray that they draw too many Path to Exile, lol. I don't know what else to do - UW is a deck of answers. It's often that they can't put a clock on any deck, but they usually don't have to.
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I've been playing this deck for almost four years now and I've yet to encounter the mirror, albeit I don't have as much time to get out and play as I used to, but I'm curious if any of you fellas have went up against it considering the renewed interest in the deck? I've seen quite a few players from here as well as on Reddit mention how they've been running into more Bogles players. Regaining Tier 2 status is both a blessing and a curse considering how easy it is to hate us out should the meta move in that direction and cards like Fracturing Gust start becoming more prevalent in SBs. Or god forbid Aura Barbs; I highly doubt barbs would ever be an issue since it's so narrow, but there was a stretch of 2-3 months where multiple players at my LGS were packing it since I was notorious for playing Bogles. Those were dark times
Damn! Did someone ever resolve Aura Barbs against you? That's terribly unlucky.
I think if someone wants to hedge for the mirror, they have to give up perhaps a Stony Silence, 1 Gaddock Teeg, and maybe a Rest in Peace from the SB for 3 Ray of Revelation. It's a card that I have sided occasionally when a local Enchantress player has played and it seems SUPER good vs. the mirror.
Yeah, dude. It was devastating, yet hilarious lol. I was a naive Modern player returning from the game after an 8 year hiatus and I thought I could run Bogles every FNM without anybody wising up and preparing for me. Needless to say, that was when I started dipping into other archetypes and saving my precious Bogles for special occasions haha.
Round 1 vs. rg breach. I got my bogle big and it was fast. I then drew spirit link and I was literally out of range for lethal at 5 mana for him and lethal next turn. In the next game, he summoners pact and breached Titan, but I had path to exile and was able to cast gaddock teeg with spider umbra to shut down Chandra, torch. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Kiki chord. Luckily I'm on the play and have a lot of pressure. Path clears the way and I have lethal. In the next game, I made a mistake and he chorded for spellskite. I draw path and get it, but he comboes with angel and Kiki. In the final game I go all in on kor spiritdancer and it kills him on turn 4 or close to it. 2-1.
Round 3 vs. gb tron. I have all the pressure to his mull to 4. He gets 2 tron pieces right away, but doesn't find ugin or the 3rd tron piece. In the next game I'm crunching in, but draw gaddock teeg to put an umbra on it and I'm now safe. He scoops after I top deck ethereal armor. He had Nature's Claim, but it would have been tough for him to win from there. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. gb belcher. Paired down so no ID. The other 2 3-0s ID and root against me, lol. Both games are pretty easy as I suit up my dude and goldfish him. Had leyline for charbelcher and discard. Drew my 3rd land first and umbraed my spiritdancer. Got there soon afterward. 2-0.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I can try to update and provide a list when that happens. I appreciate the responses.
Also, happy Bogles hey-day with that GP Toronto win and the unbannings. I agree that the deck seems to be very well-positioned for the near future :D.
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Considering OP mentioned Open the Armory, I'm assuming that's the reason behind playing wheel since it can be tutored up. However, unless someone is playing a budget build, I don't believe Open the Armory has a place in the deck; it's been thoroughly tested and ultimately it's just too slow for the meta and our game plan. I really wanted OtA to work, but it's just too clunky; it'd be excellent if it costed a single mana or allowed you to cast the aura you fetch rather than adding it to your hand.
@Ditto: Like l33twash0r said, you're better off running Rest in Peace for graveyard hate. Also, I'm curious what your meta looks like? I only ask because Guttural is a very narrow SB option and if you insist on running some sort of interaction/counters, you may find Mana Tithe to be a better option for you.
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2 4-0's in a row, good job! Do you have a link to your decklist perhaps?
I'm not really too entranced with Modern right now, so I'll do my best. I don't think it was anything special. I just drew better than my opponents.
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Horizon Canopy
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Plains
3 Temple Garden
4 Slippery Bogle
4 Gladecover Scout
4 Kor Spiritdancer
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Spider Umbra
1 Hyena Umbra
2 Cartouche of Solidarity
1 Gryff's Boon
3 Path to Exile
1 Spirit Link
3 Spirit Mantle
4 Daybreak Coronet
1 Unflinching Courage
2 Stony Silence
4 Seal of Primordium
4 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Rest in Peace
I've played Bogles for quite a long tmie, so I don't feel the need to copy someone's deck list. I can look at some newer ones for ideas, but I generally stick with my own thing. Seal of Primordium needs to be replaced with Nature's Claims since Chalice of the Void is just NOT prevalent. I think the worst slot for me is the Unflinching Courage, which has never been good, nor bad. Just meh...
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I played main board Leyline of Sanctity before and it just seemed to up the (already super high) variance of Bogles. I played at an FNM, running into 4 discard decks. Demolished 2 Shadows in which I turn 1ed them a few times and lost to Jund and Shadow in which I never had a before the game Leyline in any of the 3 games each. I can be very experience biased when it comes to things like that.
Played in a 1K today - 24 people for 5 rounds of Swiss. I did switch to main board Leyline today because it looked like I needed it.
Round 1 vs. UB Control. He plays Spreading Seas on turns 2 and 3. It slows me down a little bit and I don't have anything to add to my original Rancor and Daybreak Coronet. Turn 4 Damnation. I rebuild a little bit, but Damnation on turn 6 into Jace, the Mind Sculptor leaves me drawing 2 straight Daybreak Coronet after he fatesealed to the bottom. No Umbra drawn by me. In the next game, I DO have Leyline of Sanctity. The problem? I have only a little gas. I draw 3 more Leyline of Sanctity this game. I discard them to Liliana of the Veil. He gets Damnation again and double Spreading Seas can slow a Bogle down I guess. 0-2.
Round 2 vs. Jund. In the first game, I Leyline of Sanctity. He plays nothing until BBE into Dark Confidant. I do Kor Spiritdancer into Spider Umbra and Ethereal Armor. An Ethereal Armor and Rancor make it close enough to lethal for him to scoop. The next game, I don't have Leyline, but I have a solid hand. A Bogle is Liliana'ed. A Kor Spiritdancer is Liliana'ed. A Dryad Arbor gets the 3rd Liliana, but I have another Kor Spiritdancer and a million Auras. He literally only drew 3 Lilies and 1 Goyf. I had Path the whole time, but didn't need to use it. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. GW Value Town. Todd Stevens made this deck famous. This deck doesn't really have a chance against us, outside of maybe killing all of our lands before we can get a dude big enough. I get an 8/4 and that's enough for him to scoop. In the next game, I have a choice of playing a 2nd Kor Spiritdancer on turn 3 and Auras, but I go for a bunch of Auras on the turn 2 one instead and win easily, despite him doing a turn 3 Sigarda, Host of Herons. He showed me 2 Engineered Explosives afterward. I told him that you keep in Path to Exile for Gaddock Teeg at least because he shuts down Company AND Engineered Explosives. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. BR Moon? In the first game, he played 4 Swamp, discard, Bob, and double Liliana of the Veil. The 2nd one got me and I knew he had it right away. I never drew a creature after that and after he ticked up the Liliana again and I only had 2 Leyline of Sanctity, I didn't want to show him the Leyline in the main deck. I love drawing 2 Leyline of Sanctity during a game! The next game put me on serious tilt. Before the game Leyline of Sanctity. I play Bogle and then Rancor, but attack into a Dark Confidant. He blocks and I get another Bogle. I put Rancor next turn, but he gets a Blood Moon out. I literally didn't see Red the first game. I am screwed, but he only has 1 Swamp. He is being swung down 1 at a time to 8 life, but finds the Swamp. I find a Forest and he ticks up Liliana of the Veil after he tried to get me to sacrifice a creature. The Judge told essentially that he could try to do it and if he gets away with it, it's on the Judge's discretion if it can be taken back, but there is no consequence other than a warning for trying to do it. Cooooool. Later on, he says that he is Ultimating Lily and puts it in the graveyard. I ask him, "are you really going to do that?" He surprisingly says yes. The Judge is called and he takes his Lily back from the graveyard and upticks it, getting my 2nd Leyline. Sweet! I honestly feel like I need to learn to Magic like these types of players. I may start and I honestly don't care if someone calls me a douchebag. This is the way to play Magic, as witnessed by this guy IDing into the top 8. It goes back and forth, but Surgical Extraction on Gladecover Scout and double Bontu's Last Reckoning, not leaving his lands untapped the following turn put me on tilt enough. The 2nd time it was done, a bystander was watching our incredible match of Magic and says something. I scoop and sign the slip immediately. 0-2.
Round 5 vs. Lantern. I saw this guy playing Lantern earlier and I don't need this after I learned in the previous round that I don't know how to play the game of Magic. I have NO idea what the difference between Casual REL and Comp REL is. I don't try to take advantage of my opponents, which is what you're supposed to do if you want to win. I signed the slip 0-2 and left quickly. 0-2.
2-3. I played very well today, unlike the other 4-0s where I just had easy decisions. Didn't get rewarded. Drew something like 40 Leyline of Sanctities during the games played. I learned that they're good fodder for Liliana upticks, but usually eventually they will get some valuable cards too.
*Also chickened out on playing Grishoalbrand today. Saw some potential Shadow players. Went 3-3 my first 6 matches against Shadow with Griselbrand, but dropped 4 in a row. Discard into me doing draw spells that don't draw ***** is a recipe for disaster.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)FoodChainsGoblins - That is a rough tourney report. I am always amazed at how much the judge rulings usual favor the player that screwed up. Like, isn't knowing and following the rules part of the game?? I understand that mistakes are made. I have made a ton of them. But even on my own mistakes I feel the responsibility to punish myself much harder than the judge ever does. Anyway, just keep your head up and keep playing the way you do. At the end of the day your playing with little pieces of cardboard and going home with your ethics and morals in tact is far more important.
I actually do have a foil Kor Spiritdancer. It kind of bugs me because the rest of my Bogles deck is completely non foiled. I prefer it that way for Bogles because I want my opponents to think of it as a Troll or Meme deck and underestimate me. I would definitely be willing to part with it for a regular non foil and some cash.
Regarding the plays, I feel you. Everyone makes mistakes. I had 2 friends lose in the top 4 of PPTQs recently because of them when they were NOT able to "take it back." The finals for each of them would have been a super good matchup, but the Judge's call is always correct, especially at smaller events where there is no Head Judge. I do realize that I am not a competitive player by nature now. I think I have resigned myself to more of the collecting nature of Magic. I don't feel a need to cheat to win in Magic, but there is something VERY inherently wrong with my feelings there. I find myself wanting to try to do those plays, but have stopped myself so far. This is when I realize that it's hard to change play patterns and play styles. I will never be even a merely average Magic player. It's sad because I've played for too long to be this terrible. In the past, 2 misplays like that would have resulted in TWO game Warnings, which equal a Game Loss. It's not a big deal since he could have just tried to cheat me in the 3rd game as well and it seemed karma was definitely on his side on the drawing portion as well (which admittedly Bogles rarely draws better cards from the top of its library than its opponents).
*I could have literally won a match at the recent FNM with Affinity vs. Enchantress by activating my Inkmoth Nexus, paying for double Ghostly Prison, and swinging while sacrificing creatures with Arcbound Ravager, but I was 1 mana short. I even considered it, but figured it didn't matter since his only out on an empty hand was drawing Sphere of Safety. His 2 previous draws were second White Source and 5th total mana and Leyline of Sanctity, which prevented a Ghirapur Aether Grid kill. I figured, why cheat when I probably win next turn anyway? Well, I learned why those players do better than me...
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I'm not really sure what the judge is trying to say here and I'm almost certain that you misunderstood something. He is absolutely not allowed to "try it and see if you notice", doing so intentionally is cheating. If he makes a mistake and tries to target you with a Liliana when you have hexproof that's a game rule violation but it's not at all up to the judges discretion whether he can take it back or not. Activating Liliana and targeting you is illegal so it never actually happens and he has to choose another play, including upticking Liliana. He would never be forced to choose himself as a target for the sacrifice. Same thing goes for the ultimate really. If someone tries to do something illegal, you give them a warning and the game is in the state it was before the declaration.
So these things are not takebacks and it's not comparable to for example declaring a bad attack or playing the wrong land and wanting to take it back. There's a difference between a bad play and an illegal play.
Thanks for getting back to me. I am looking for a foil AND signed Spiritdancer. I've got the foil copies. Thanks though!
Luckily Bogles is a fairly straight forward deck so I have only come into a handful of rule descrepancies. I don't get the chance to play a ton so I go into alot of tournaments pretty rusty. That's when I worry most about decks like Storm playiong super fast and me totally missing something. I showed up once to the table with 59 cards by mistake. I mailed a Temple Garden away to get signed and forgot to put it back! I immidietly called a judge and he gave me a game loss. I know that's probably what the book says but I would have given myself a match loss. I absolutly hammered him in games 2 and 3 and felt awful about it. I felt the same way about the witchbane orb PT game. I think that kid should have been given a match loss. Showing up, being prepared, and knowing your deck is part if it. Anyways..
Round 1 vs. UR Breach. In the first game, I keep a hand with Kor Spiritdancer and 2 fetches. He shows Red mana each turn, so I play nothing but lands for a million turns. Eventually I have 9 lands in play, Blood Moon is out, and I have 4 fetches and a Horizon Canopy in the GY. He Bolts, ScM/Bolts. Easy to win when the opponent has no plays. In the next game, I go all-in on a Kor Spiritdancer and he does 3 Serum Visions, 3 Opt, and then scoops with 3 lands in play. I had Gaddock Teeg out. In the last game, I play next to nothing. He does turn 5 Through the Breach Emrakul and I'm at 15 since he Bolted me EoT. 1-2.
Round 2 vs. Ad Nauseam. Best player here - number 1 in CA in PW points. I have a quick Kor Spiritdancer and the kill, so he has to Angel's Grace. He does Ad Nauseam the next turn, but doesn't have Angel's Grace. In the next game, Gaddock Teeg gets Hyena Umbra and gets really large. He doesn't stand a chance once I get Rancor and essentially everything I need to win. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. RUG Scapeshift. I have had some interesting draws vs. this guy. I am literally SCARED *****LESS to play this guy because I can often guess what's my worst next 5 draws and it's surprisingly close. Guessing his hand is easy as well and my most mulls and LOOSE keeps are against this guy. Remember boys, always be all right with mulling to 4 or 5 if your hand is crap. I think I beat him 5 of the first 6 times I played him with various decks, but since have missed on Collected Company (he's the number 1 reason I stopped playing Company, since it gets 0 creatures vs. him), mulliganed like crazy, or drawn a million lands vs. 4 Cryptic Command most games. How do I know he plays 4 Cryptic Command? I have seen them in half the games we played. That's proof. I don't draw anything and lose. In the next game, I have Bogle + double Ethereal Armor. I draw literally nothing else and it gets chumped by Sakura Tribe-Elder into Ob Baloth into Cryptics and Scapeshift. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. GB Pox. He does Bontu's Last Reckoning and Smallpox to get me. In the next game, Gaddock Teeg survives after a Smallpox and Bontu's Last Reckoning and I actually draw some Auras to push damage. In the final game, Leyline of Sanctity stumps him, as he shows me 3 Inquisition of Kozilek after the game. He played 0 Bontu's Last Reckoning and 0 Smallpox as my creatures had that hedged anyway with Hyena Umbra and multiple creatures. 2-1.
2-2. Probably my 4th 2-2 in a row. I guess I'm just playing terribly. I also pussied out on running GDS, which I had planned to do.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)So what was he trying to do to win in that final game with 0 of his best interaction spells?
(Sidenote: I am currently testing two copies of Dromoka's Command in the mainboard. My meta is: Bogles, Affinity, Mardu Pyromancer, D&T, Burn, Tron, R/W Prison.)
No, I was just saying that he didn't draw either of those spells, even if I had hedged for them a bit by having good draws myself. It was unlucky for him.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)I thought you were saying that he sided them all out. The Sideboard Scoop, that's what that would be.
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Damn! Did someone ever resolve Aura Barbs against you? That's terribly unlucky.
I think if someone wants to hedge for the mirror, they have to give up perhaps a Stony Silence, 1 Gaddock Teeg, and maybe a Rest in Peace from the SB for 3 Ray of Revelation. It's a card that I have sided occasionally when a local Enchantress player has played and it seems SUPER good vs. the mirror.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Round 1 vs. Slivers. In the first game, I get Kor Spiritdancer down and make her big. I finally get lifelink with Unflinching Courage and it's barely enough to win. If she had GAS with her last card, like another Lord, I would have lost. I drew into Path to Exile to use on the flier, then block with Bogle. In the next game, I have some Kor Spiritdancers and they rip her apart. She gets a Harmonic Sliver, but I Path to Exile it. She gets another, but I have so many Auras in hand that it is easy. On turn 5, I actually make a mistake of putting every non lifelink Aura on because I think it's lethal, but instead, she loses her board, except Mutavault and goes to 2 life. I was at 4 life myself, so it wasn't the safest move. When I drew 2 Ethereal Armor off a draw trigger, I assumed it was game. Kind of a big mistake. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Burn. I get Daybreak Coronet and it's elementary from there. In the next game, Leyline of Sanctity before the game shuts him down and I get lifelink again. Easy peasy. 2-0.
Round 3 vs. GW Devoted Druid. In the first game, I keep a hand with extreme pressure, but he has the combo on his turn 3 on the play, so he shows me. IN the next game, I draw 0 Auras. I have a Spider Umbra, which draws a card off Kor Spiritdancer and I add another one later on, but he gets me with a bunch of Bears. Rest in Peace made sure Knight of the Reliquary stayed a Bear. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. Ponza. I play against a friend. I put some pressure, but they're only +1/+1 Auras and I run out of gas. My draw step produces nothing for 7 turns and Karn Liberated and a few speed bumps stop me from doing lethal. In the next 2 games, I have enough to get there. He has to Fracturing Gust away 2 Utopia Sprawl to stay alive and I get some Rancors back. In the next game, he uses Beast Within with his LAST CARD to get my Gaddock Teeg after Rec Sage kills the Hyena Umbra. He doesn't have gas and I put Rancor and Ethereal Armor on a dude and get through in the next few turns. 2-1.
I finish 3-1 with the deck, which isn't bad. I got a bit of a scare when matched against Slivers, but honestly I've drawn pretty well vs. this girl in the few times we played ever since I drew terribly when she was on Bant Spirits.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)1. In general I have been winning quite a bit lately so I am up on the deck but I hesitate to say that I am running hot, but rather, the sorts of opponents that always have it have just not had it lately. E.g. Playing Jund without Leyline protection 2 games in a row and never get hand disrupted. Or playing Tron and them not being able to get to a natural Tron. My last 3 comp MTGO leagues have been 5-0, 2-3, 4-1 and I placed 9th out of 70-something (5-2) at a 2.5k held at Pastimes Games last Saturday. I tend to play around things as much as I can but I have been forcing myself to jam a bit harder lately and it has been paying off. Sooner or later my opponents will start having it again and expect to get punished.
My list is pretty generic at the moment (https://imgur.com/a/sjDlI). I am on the 3 Spiritdancer plan on MTGO and 4 in paper. Not sure which I like better.
2. Does anyone have thoughts on the increase in Blood Moon + Field of Ruin in the format? I am fetching basics early and often against anything that can Blood Moon me and am losing some portion of games to Blood Moon when I just have 2 natural non basics to run an otherwise fine hand. Another issue is U/W now running Field of Ruin + Path can run us out of lands pretty quickly too. I find myself daydreaming of running a manabase that looks like 8 fetches, 2 forest, 2 plains, dryad arbor, 4 horizon canopy, 2 temple garden, 1 thicket. Has anyone experimented with that? I suppose things would become very inconsistent.
3. I am really enjoying Dromoka's Command in the board and would run 2 without hesitation in a burn heavy meta. The fight effect isn't really expected out of our deck and anyhow having 4 modes on 1 spell is always going to give you some options. For instance, against burn the lifelink fight effect at instant speed is way better than the Cartouche of Strength effect people were testing. It let's us play around deflecting palm blowouts so long as there is a target to fight. I have been boarding it in against counters company type decks and I am happy to kill a thing without giving them a basic. I had a game against Burn this week where I had a Leyline down, and he was racing his Goblin Guide + Eidolon against my small 3/3 boggle and a naked boggle. I topped a Dromoka's Command and made him sac an enchantment (Eidolon) and fought his Guide and that was basically that. Overall, I like this card way better than the 4th Seal.
4. Cartouche of Solidarity - I was so high on this card a few months ago but it seems to have been pushed back out of the deck by the realization that we really need those Gryff's Boons for evasion. I didn't realize how much I missed Gryff's Boon until I went back up from 0 to 2!
5. How does anyone ever beat U/W? I consider this an auto-lose unless my opponent somehow can't get to 4 mana. Gaddock Teague can help but smart UW players never take out their path's. I tried running a Choke but even when it comes down it just slows them up a bit. I played that Pastimes tournament with 2 surgical extractions in my board thinking the best way to beat the t4 cryptic/verdict, t5 cryptic/verdict, t6 snap cryptic/verdict would be to Surgical the cards after t4 but it never really worked out. I am curious to keep messing around with Surgical as it seems a good sideboard card against a bunch of various combo decks including Living End which is otherwise fairly miserable.
Hope everyone has been having success!
2. Against a Blood Moon deck, I feel that getting the Forest and Plains is good enough. Often you can't get these and you WILL lose, but it's part of the game. If there are a LOT of Blood Moons going around, I could see the changes that you referred to. Regarding Field of Ruin, it's too slow. If an opponent has that much time to stabilize and starts doing that, then our deck has failed us and we kind of deserve to lose at this point if it is affecting us. We still try to eek out the win, but if we can't, our deck was just too slow.
3. Dromoka's Command is no doubt good in a super heavy Burn meta. I just don't think we need it in an "average" meta because we have Leyline and lifelink creatures. Sure, sometimes we draw somewhat suboptimally and have to slog through or end up losing, but I don't think our hedging should be done here, of course unless you see the deck a heck of a lot!
4. Cartouche of Solidarity - I am actually somewhat torn here. I don't know if this or Hyena Umbra is better. I ran into a deck with 2 main board Damnation and the Cartouche cost me (since it was 2 in the place of 2 Hyena). I have liked Cartouche from time to time because the extra body is fun, but I think that when I play Comp REL, I'm going back to Hyena Umbra. Regarding Gryff's Boon, I never have liked the card much, so I only play 1. If I need evasion, my 3 Spirit Mantle and the Rancor semi evasion will get me there.
5. UW is tough. They have all the answers. They have the ability to Cryptic Command bounce an Umbra into Supreme Verdict. I just say that you go balls to the wall, try to save a Bogle and something to rebuild, and pray that they draw too many Path to Exile, lol. I don't know what else to do - UW is a deck of answers. It's often that they can't put a clock on any deck, but they usually don't have to.
Keep Bogling guys!
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Yeah, dude. It was devastating, yet hilarious lol. I was a naive Modern player returning from the game after an 8 year hiatus and I thought I could run Bogles every FNM without anybody wising up and preparing for me. Needless to say, that was when I started dipping into other archetypes and saving my precious Bogles for special occasions haha.
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