I think he prob set chalice at 1 to stop most of the burn spells, also chalice at 1 stop most of infect too.
Is that enough? I've found that chalice at 1 only does so much in burn. It doesn't stop: eidolon, rift bolt, flames of the bloodhand, hellspark elemental, skullcrack, searing blood, searing blaze, magma jet, and combust out of the board. At the same time it turns off our paths (and mana dorks, less importantly).
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I like this version, very happy with it.
Looks like a very solid list. Do you find that your GB/x and burn matchups are okay without specific hate (mirran crusader, kor firewalker etc.)? I tend to overcompensate for those a bit due to their prevalence.
I think he prob set chalice at 1 to stop most of the burn spells, also chalice at 1 stop most of infect too.
The deck is very good against BG/x because of Wilt-Leaf, Loxodon, Voices, 8 exalted triggers with flyers, ext. Against Burn I board in 3 Chalice and 2 Spellskite. Scavenging Ooze is solid versus them, a turn 2 Smiter or Brimaz can be too.
I'm trying Ajani Steadfast and Elspeth, Knight-Errant as my wrath-resistant curve toppers and source of lifegain instead of Baneslayer Angel or Sigarda. I think the vigilance and lifelink from Ajani are quite relevant. I've seen some lists with Elspeth but has anyone tried the M15 Ajani?
I've tried the M15 Ajani, in the couple matches I've gotten him, he saved me against burn, and keep me alive log enough to race a Gavany Township race against Pod.
I'm trying Ajani Steadfast and Elspeth, Knight-Errant as my wrath-resistant curve toppers and source of lifegain instead of Baneslayer Angel or Sigarda. I think the vigilance and lifelink from Ajani are quite relevant. I've seen some lists with Elspeth but has anyone tried the M15 Ajani?
Elspeth is good for creating tokens to sac in response to liliana and making flying elephants, hmm nice thought on ajani, i could try it out
You must really hate twin. 17 cards that disrupts their combo. I like this list alot. Seems balanced for the current meta. I not sold on the Chalice and condemn in the sideboard though. Congrats on your win.
You must really hate twin. 17 cards that disrupts their combo. I like this list alot. Seems balanced for the current meta. I not sold on the Chalice and condemn in the sideboard though. Congrats on your win.
Chalice on 0 versus Living End. Chalice on 1 versus Storm, Burn (will turn off 30%-50% of their deck), Boggles, Infect, 8 Rack, ect.
Condemn gives me 5 through 6 to compliment Path to Exile, one mana instant speed removal versus Affinity, Delver, Merfolk, ect.
So I'm guessing the only reason we can cheer for the new fetches is that we have way more fetches to hate on?
I can see a GW or Bant deck removing Arbiter and running a playset of Knight of the Reliquary now but then it would just be some cool aggro deck and wouldn't be hatebears any more. Perhaps this deck will start to do even better with the increase of fetches that will show up in just about every other deck
So I'm guessing the only reason we can cheer for the new fetches is that we have way more fetches to hate on?
I can see a GW or Bant deck removing Arbiter and running a playset of Knight of the Reliquary now but then it would just be some cool aggro deck and wouldn't be hatebears any more. Perhaps this deck will start to do even better with the increase of fetches that will show up in just about every other deck
Decks like Naya Zoo will be more interesting, but yes, we will see an increase in the number of fetches played in decks, I may test 4 Aven instead of my normal 3 now. Also more decks will be viable in general which will be interesting.
So I'm guessing the only reason we can cheer for the new fetches is that we have way more fetches to hate on?
I can see a GW or Bant deck removing Arbiter and running a playset of Knight of the Reliquary now but then it would just be some cool aggro deck and wouldn't be hatebears any more. Perhaps this deck will start to do even better with the increase of fetches that will show up in just about every other deck
For me i am thinking of running 1-2 Windswept Heath for some minor color fixing, prob fetching only basics. Although that could conflict with Arbiter and Mindcensor if its in play. Prob could fetch it straight off if there is nothing in play or fetch it at the opponent's EoT and pay the 2 since its gonna untap during your turn anyways.
I have to say i stronglyy dislike the ETB-Tapped lands. Though i can clearly see and have experienced how awesome Wildwood can be. Dodging all non-instant removal is just sweet. BUT it also requires a ton of mana.
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I have to say i stronglyy dislike the ETB-Tapped lands. Though i can clearly see and have experienced how awesome Wildwood can be. Dodging all non-instant removal is just sweet. BUT it also requires a ton of mana.
Is that enough? I've found that chalice at 1 only does so much in burn. It doesn't stop: eidolon, rift bolt, flames of the bloodhand, hellspark elemental, skullcrack, searing blood, searing blaze, magma jet, and combust out of the board. At the same time it turns off our paths (and mana dorks, less importantly).
The deck is very good against BG/x because of Wilt-Leaf, Loxodon, Voices, 8 exalted triggers with flyers, ext. Against Burn I board in 3 Chalice and 2 Spellskite. Scavenging Ooze is solid versus them, a turn 2 Smiter or Brimaz can be too.
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Could prob replace her with an baneslayer or sigarda but prob baneslayer, since the life gain is relevant in most plays.
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
Elspeth is good for creating tokens to sac in response to liliana and making flying elephants, hmm nice thought on ajani, i could try it out
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
You must really hate twin. 17 cards that disrupts their combo. I like this list alot. Seems balanced for the current meta. I not sold on the Chalice and condemn in the sideboard though. Congrats on your win.
Chalice on 0 versus Living End. Chalice on 1 versus Storm, Burn (will turn off 30%-50% of their deck), Boggles, Infect, 8 Rack, ect.
Condemn gives me 5 through 6 to compliment Path to Exile, one mana instant speed removal versus Affinity, Delver, Merfolk, ect.
I can see a GW or Bant deck removing Arbiter and running a playset of Knight of the Reliquary now but then it would just be some cool aggro deck and wouldn't be hatebears any more. Perhaps this deck will start to do even better with the increase of fetches that will show up in just about every other deck
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Decks like Naya Zoo will be more interesting, but yes, we will see an increase in the number of fetches played in decks, I may test 4 Aven instead of my normal 3 now. Also more decks will be viable in general which will be interesting.
For me i am thinking of running 1-2 Windswept Heath for some minor color fixing, prob fetching only basics. Although that could conflict with Arbiter and Mindcensor if its in play. Prob could fetch it straight off if there is nothing in play or fetch it at the opponent's EoT and pay the 2 since its gonna untap during your turn anyways.
My land base would then look something like
2 plains
2 Windswept Heath
4 Ghost Quarters
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Temple Garden
4 Razorverge Thicket
2 Stirring Wildwood
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
For reference here is my current manabase:
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
4 Razorverge Thicket
4 Temple Garden
3 Horizon Canopy
2 Brushland
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Forest
1 Plains
Modern : Huh?
EDH : UBGW Thrasios / Tymna Combo UBGW // GRW Mayael Big Stuff GRW // GU Edric Timewalkers GU
This is pretty much the mana base I've come to, except I am running a second Wildwood over a second Forest.
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4 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
2 Stirring Wildwood
3 Horizon Canopy
4 Razorverge Thicket
4 Temple Garden
1 Plains
2 Forest
That's my mana base, I went from one Wildwood to two 6-7 months ago never looked back.
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