With the amount of fetching and searching in the format dropping a mindcensor doesnt feel right.
I tested Ajani, Steadfast and was impressed at how well he did. His plus one kept me in a match that I should have lost against zoo. His gavony effect was great later in that game as i managed to get more bodies on the board.
I really would like to point out that crucible of worlds was an all star!
Here's the list i ran.
Land 20
2x Forest
2x Plains
1x Gavony Township
4x Ghost Quarter
4x Temple Garden
1x Stirring Wildwood
3x horizon canopy
1x tectonic edge
2x razorverge thicket
Creature 30
3x Aven Mindcensor
2x Hushwing Gryff
4x Leonin Arbiter
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Noble Hierarch
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
3xVoice of Resurgence
2x Qasali Pridemage
2x wilt-leaf liege
2x spellskite
1x brimaz
Spells 10
3x AEther Vial
4x Path to Exile
1x Crucible of worlds
1x Ajani, steadfast
1x sword of light and shadow
Total 60
Side
2x kataki
2x guttural response
2x eidolon of rhetoric
2x choke
2x burrenton forge tender
1x creeping corrosion
2x stony silence
2x wheel of sun and moon
Here is the list that I am taking to Boston this weekend. I am torn on dropping the Torpor Orb for a second Celestial Purge. Yes, I think Worship is that good.
i use to run the hushwing gryff with resto till i found out they conflict
I don't think the value of a flash 3/4 flier in a deck that runs almost 0 fliers can be denied. Her blink in most builds on this thread is simply saving something from removal as there's approximately 0 creatures with ETB effects. I see no issue running both cards.
Ok, that's good to hear because that's a similar line of thinking to mine. You won't feel too bad if you can't flicker anything with a gryff out. This isn't D&T.
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Casting it for 0 against affinity and living end is ok, but if we cast it for 1, we won't be able to cast sunlance,aether vial, path to exile...what do you sideboard in and out in matchs when you play it.
Sorry for my bad english not my main language,thanks for this great topic
Casting it for 0 against affinity and living end is ok, but if we cast it for 1, we won't be able to cast sunlance,aether vial, path to exile...what do you sideboard in and out in matchs when you play it.
Sorry for my bad english not my main language,thanks for this great topic
There has been debate on here as to whether Chalice is worth playing or not. Most arguments against it I've seen are that it's bad as a 1-of since you won't have it often enough in your opening hand. I've had one in my sideboard, and I'm considering going to two (replacing Eidolon of Rhetoric, since this is only good against Storm, and Chalice is good against Storm also).
I only play Chalice in matchups where I want to set it to 1. Setting it to anything else is both expensive and disruptive to our own spells. My deck does not play Aether Vial, so the only 1-drops I play are Noble Hierarch and Path. Some of the matchups where I play Chalice, I am taking out path anyway (Bogles, Storm). Against other decks, Chalice is impactful enough that I don't mind shutting off a few of my own spells (Burn, UR Delver). Chalice is also surprisingly good against RG Tron since they run lots of 1-mana cantrips.
I'm still looking to add one more card to bring in for the Burn match up, and I'm torn between Chalice, Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker. Firewalker has the most staying power, but also can't be reliably cast on turn 2. Dragon's Claw is easier on the mana base, but is more susceptible to removal. Both also get hosed by Rain of Gore, and are really only good against Burn and Storm. Chalice is as easy to cast as Dragon's Claw, and has more applications than just Storm and Burn (Living End) so that is the direction I am leaning. Even if it's just a 1 of, I'm not relying on it alone to win games, but having one more out in my 75 is exactly what I am looking for.
I'm also not exactly sure what I would take out to make room for it. Part of me wants to take out a Thalia, but that's another card I would bring in for those same matches, so it seems silly to drop her for Chalice.
I'm still looking to add one more card to bring in for the Burn match up, and I'm torn between Chalice, Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker. Firewalker has the most staying power, but also can't be reliably cast on turn 2. Dragon's Claw is easier on the mana base, but is more susceptible to removal. Both also get hosed by Rain of Gore, and are really only good against Burn and Storm. Chalice is as easy to cast as Dragon's Claw, and has more applications than just Storm and Burn (Living End) so that is the direction I am leaning. Even if it's just a 1 of, I'm not relying on it alone to win games, but having one more out in my 75 is exactly what I am looking for.
I'm also not exactly sure what I would take out to make room for it. Part of me wants to take out a Thalia, but that's another card I would bring in for those same matches, so it seems silly to drop her for Chalice.
I'd play Firewalker over Dragon's Claw - sure it takes double white, but it can attack and block and can't be removed. Stating the obvious there but those are pretty big upsides versus sometimes casting it a turn late. I still prefer Chalice due to its versatility - unless there's a specific popular deck I have a bad matchup against, I try to avoid narrow sideboard cards (Kor Firewalker, Eidolon of Rhetoric).
Even though you would bring in Thalia for the same matchups, Thalia's impact is much less than Chalice against burn or storm. I'd rather have my first Chalice in my deck than my fourth Thalia. It's higher impact in those matchups and because of the legend rule I just don't like having 4 Thalia anyway. As you mention, I don't mind running just one chalice since it's not like we're dependent on it to win. But in the matchups where it's good, it's often just a free win when you do draw it.
Here is the list that I am taking to Boston this weekend. I am torn on dropping the Torpor Orb for a second Celestial Purge. Yes, I think Worship is that good.
It's always good to question yourself if you would play five of a card if it would be legal. Otherwise you should consider cutting one. I think 4 Worship is too much. You don't want to draw multiples, it's not good in every matchup, it's not good on it's own, when the board is empty and Worship just stops you from losing the game, you still need a way to win.
Worship is great but I don't think I would run more than 2 in the 75. Predator Ooze is GGG and seems almost a non-starter to me. You can get almost the same amount of survivability from lots of other things already in the deck.
Worship is great but I don't think I would run more than 2 in the 75. Predator Ooze is GGG and seems almost a non-starter to me. You can get almost the same amount of survivability from lots of other things already in the deck.
I am expecting to see lots of BGx this weekend. I'm leaning towards Mirran Crusader.
I am expecting to see lots of BGx this weekend. I'm leaning towards Mirran Crusader.
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Agreed. I have x2 Mirran Crusader in my board and thinking about playing a third. I'm just hoping it's more GBx and less Jund, since he does not make the cut against Bolt/Anger.
One card I seem to have trouble with is Keranos in some new UWR lists. It is never turned on so path to exile isn't an out. Has anyone had any experience playing against it? Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder perhaps? Relic-Warder seems too narrow though.
One card I seem to have trouble with is Keranos in some new UWR lists. It is never turned on so path to exile isn't an out. Has anyone had any experience playing against it? Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder perhaps? Relic-Warder seems too narrow though.
One card I seem to have trouble with is Keranos in some new UWR lists. It is never turned on so path to exile isn't an out. Has anyone had any experience playing against it? Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder perhaps? Relic-Warder seems too narrow though.
One card I seem to have trouble with is Keranos in some new UWR lists. It is never turned on so path to exile isn't an out. Has anyone had any experience playing against it? Oblivion Ring or Leonin Relic-Warder perhaps? Relic-Warder seems too narrow though.
I'm still looking to add one more card to bring in for the Burn match up, and I'm torn between Chalice, Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker. Firewalker has the most staying power, but also can't be reliably cast on turn 2. Dragon's Claw is easier on the mana base, but is more susceptible to removal. Both also get hosed by Rain of Gore, and are really only good against Burn and Storm. Chalice is as easy to cast as Dragon's Claw, and has more applications than just Storm and Burn (Living End) so that is the direction I am leaning. Even if it's just a 1 of, I'm not relying on it alone to win games, but having one more out in my 75 is exactly what I am looking for.
I'm also not exactly sure what I would take out to make room for it. Part of me wants to take out a Thalia, but that's another card I would bring in for those same matches, so it seems silly to drop her for Chalice.
Dol, Ive been running Layline of Scantity for RDW. its been fantastic. I also can use it in vs storm, 8 rack, ad neasum, and scapeshift, so its not really a dead card ever.
I considered leyline in that context early on but I was advised that I would want to go 3, 4, or nothing with them in the side and I just didnt have enough slots. How many do you run?
Also my logic went something like this on the decks you mentioned:
+ 8 Rack, is not a huge issue between smiter, pridemage, and thalia they have a tough time against us.
+ Storm, Firewalker does as good or better here as he is not totally dead to goblins which they seem to side in.
+ Scapeshift, I don't have a ton of experience on this match-up but my one or two games I played against it we seemed to attack on enough vectors that they had significant issues (Thalia, search hate, land destruction).
+ Ad Naus, In theory seems the best here but as there are no players nearby I can test with on this deck I cannot offer an informed opinion.
After some of th discussion above I decided to go with a 1:1 split on firewalker and mark because I can bring them in against similar decks but I found myself not wanting both copies of mark as it is not a dude.
I tested Ajani, Steadfast and was impressed at how well he did. His plus one kept me in a match that I should have lost against zoo. His gavony effect was great later in that game as i managed to get more bodies on the board.
I really would like to point out that crucible of worlds was an all star!
Here's the list i ran.
Land 20
2x Forest
2x Plains
1x Gavony Township
4x Ghost Quarter
4x Temple Garden
1x Stirring Wildwood
3x horizon canopy
1x tectonic edge
2x razorverge thicket
Creature 30
3x Aven Mindcensor
2x Hushwing Gryff
4x Leonin Arbiter
1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
3x Mirran Crusader
4x Noble Hierarch
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
3xVoice of Resurgence
2x Qasali Pridemage
2x wilt-leaf liege
2x spellskite
1x brimaz
Spells 10
3x AEther Vial
4x Path to Exile
1x Crucible of worlds
1x Ajani, steadfast
1x sword of light and shadow
Total 60
Side
2x kataki
2x guttural response
2x eidolon of rhetoric
2x choke
2x burrenton forge tender
1x creeping corrosion
2x stony silence
2x wheel of sun and moon
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
2 Qasali Pridemage
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Aven Mindcensor
2 Hushwing Gryff
4 Loxodon Smiter
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Worship
4 Path to Exile
Lands: 23
2 Brushland
2 Forest
1 Gavony Township
4 Ghost Quarter
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Plains
4 Razorverge Thicket
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Temple Garden
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Celestial Purge
1 Mark of Asylum
2 Rest in Peace
1 Spellskite
2 Stony Silence
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Torpor Orb
2 Choke
2 Fracturing Gust
I don't think the value of a flash 3/4 flier in a deck that runs almost 0 fliers can be denied. Her blink in most builds on this thread is simply saving something from removal as there's approximately 0 creatures with ETB effects. I see no issue running both cards.
I'm playtesting gw hatebears on mtgo, and I've read the original topic.
I don't understand one of the sb card choice : Chalice of the void.
Casting it for 0 against affinity and living end is ok, but if we cast it for 1, we won't be able to cast sunlance,aether vial, path to exile...what do you sideboard in and out in matchs when you play it.
Sorry for my bad english not my main language,thanks for this great topic
There has been debate on here as to whether Chalice is worth playing or not. Most arguments against it I've seen are that it's bad as a 1-of since you won't have it often enough in your opening hand. I've had one in my sideboard, and I'm considering going to two (replacing Eidolon of Rhetoric, since this is only good against Storm, and Chalice is good against Storm also).
I only play Chalice in matchups where I want to set it to 1. Setting it to anything else is both expensive and disruptive to our own spells. My deck does not play Aether Vial, so the only 1-drops I play are Noble Hierarch and Path. Some of the matchups where I play Chalice, I am taking out path anyway (Bogles, Storm). Against other decks, Chalice is impactful enough that I don't mind shutting off a few of my own spells (Burn, UR Delver). Chalice is also surprisingly good against RG Tron since they run lots of 1-mana cantrips.
I'm also not exactly sure what I would take out to make room for it. Part of me wants to take out a Thalia, but that's another card I would bring in for those same matches, so it seems silly to drop her for Chalice.
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I'd play Firewalker over Dragon's Claw - sure it takes double white, but it can attack and block and can't be removed. Stating the obvious there but those are pretty big upsides versus sometimes casting it a turn late. I still prefer Chalice due to its versatility - unless there's a specific popular deck I have a bad matchup against, I try to avoid narrow sideboard cards (Kor Firewalker, Eidolon of Rhetoric).
Even though you would bring in Thalia for the same matchups, Thalia's impact is much less than Chalice against burn or storm. I'd rather have my first Chalice in my deck than my fourth Thalia. It's higher impact in those matchups and because of the legend rule I just don't like having 4 Thalia anyway. As you mention, I don't mind running just one chalice since it's not like we're dependent on it to win. But in the matchups where it's good, it's often just a free win when you do draw it.
Fair enough. If I cut a Worship, what do I bring in? Spellskite?, Mirran Crusader?, a third Qasali Pridemage? I have actually liked Predator Ooze in testing with Worship as well.
Worship is great but I don't think I would run more than 2 in the 75. Predator Ooze is GGG and seems almost a non-starter to me. You can get almost the same amount of survivability from lots of other things already in the deck.
I am expecting to see lots of BGx this weekend. I'm leaning towards Mirran Crusader.
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Agreed. I have x2 Mirran Crusader in my board and thinking about playing a third. I'm just hoping it's more GBx and less Jund, since he does not make the cut against Bolt/Anger.
Here's my list:
2 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Leonin Arbiter
3 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Aven Mindcensor
3 Hushwing Gryff
4 Loxodon Smiter
3 Mirran Crusader
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
4 Path to Exile
1 Worship
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
Lands: 22
3 Forest
4 Ghost Quarter
3 Horizon Canopy
1 Plains
4 Razorverge Thicket
1 Stirring Wildwood
4 Temple Garden
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Worship
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Rest in Peace
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Spellskite
1 Stony Silence
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Creeping Corrosion
Celestial Purge
True. I'll try a couple of those in the SB.
I'm also not happy with SoFaI in my 75, I will try to jam a miser Mana Tithe in the main instead lol
Just run Rancor if you want a cheaper sword-like ability.
Dol, Ive been running Layline of Scantity for RDW. its been fantastic. I also can use it in vs storm, 8 rack, ad neasum, and scapeshift, so its not really a dead card ever.
Also my logic went something like this on the decks you mentioned:
+ 8 Rack, is not a huge issue between smiter, pridemage, and thalia they have a tough time against us.
+ Storm, Firewalker does as good or better here as he is not totally dead to goblins which they seem to side in.
+ Scapeshift, I don't have a ton of experience on this match-up but my one or two games I played against it we seemed to attack on enough vectors that they had significant issues (Thalia, search hate, land destruction).
+ Ad Naus, In theory seems the best here but as there are no players nearby I can test with on this deck I cannot offer an informed opinion.
After some of th discussion above I decided to go with a 1:1 split on firewalker and mark because I can bring them in against similar decks but I found myself not wanting both copies of mark as it is not a dude.
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WUBOloro, Ageless Ascetic- Doomsday!
RWUEphara, God of the Polis - Blink + Control
GBGGlissa, the Traitor - Stax & Lands
URGMaelstrom Wanderer - Goodstuff RUG
RGWMayael the Anima - Timmy
BRGProssh, Skyraider of Kher - The One Hit Wonder
RGWMarath, Will of the Wild - Old-school Enchantress Hate
RWRAurelia, the Warleader - Equipment Aggro
GGGReki, the History of Kamigawa - Legends + Banding
UBRSedris, the Traitor King - Creatures with : Ability
BUBPhenax, God of Deception - Mill
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