Play testing on cockatrice, or any other website like that is far far different than playing in tourneyments.
Cockatrice is people play testing budget crap, or playing dream decks they don't really have a lot of hands on with.
That's a pretty short sighted assessment. Sure there are a slew of randoms on Cockatrice, but plenty of people play with a dedicated group, or team, or ya know, friends, who are equally as competitive.
I actually haven't seen that twiddle storm deck. I am a sucker for Gifts though so i might have to try it! I'm not sure how i feel about putting so much pressure on my mana. A Fulminator Mage or similiar card would really ruin your day.
I played this in a small GPT. Having not played in 6 months to a year I ran my old build with Increasing Vengeance. The only game where I thought increasing vengeance really made a difference was when I had to mill out my opponent with thought scours and 3 active ascensions.
I'm curious what you think of Swan Song? It seems like a good answer to the Eidolons and may help some other matchups.
Swan Song is OK, but your first line of defense against decks with counters should be Blood Moon.
Against Eidolons, I don't think Swan Song will be effective. The deck most likely to play the white one is Pod, and Swan Song doesn't stop them from Podding into it. The red one will be played in Burn (at least that's what other people believe, I don't. I think it's bad in Burn) and giving them a 2/2 body to beat you down with can't end well.
The red Eidolon is bad in Burn. As a maindeck card another burn spell (even Skullcrack or Incinerate) would be better, while as a SB card all it does is stop Storm. Why play the red Eidolon for only one matchup when grave hate is more general and hits other decks too?
Good points. Interesting! I guess after thinking about it, Storm isn't as ridiculous in Modern so Burn doesn't really need dedicated sideboard space for it. I'm sure there will be some crazy dude slamming Mindbreak Traps and Eidolons into his board though.. There's always that guy out there somewhere. Like my buddy Dave who plays American Blade in Legacy. Dude has sideboard Rest in Peace, Flusterstorm, RedBlasts, Mindbreak Traps.. It's just absurd considering how many maindeck counters he packs as well... -_-'
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Has anyone hear tested the UGr variant with enchant lands and Twiddle effects to generate tons of mana? I have been finding it to be more consistent, but reaching critical mass is more difficult than with an active Ascension.
I've played against this deck with my own classic UR storm build. Very strong actually. He would have gone off had I not drawn both sideboard Echoing Truth cards to bounce his auras
g1 he plays goblin guides and legion loyalists and gets me down to 8 life. i combo and make 16 goblin tokens but he plays lightning bolt + goblin bomb for the win
g2 i make a bunch of tokens but he plays legion loyalist so i cant block his team
match 2: mono black infect
g1 he has too many creature kill spells, and i can pay as much life as i need to since he kills with poison. easy
g2 win turn 4. he didnt realize cage shuts off past in flames so he forgets to side it in
match 4: esper
this deck plays liliana, confidant, tidehollow sculler, meddling mage, revoker.
g1: try to combo off but am 1 mana short of winning. he kills with geist
g2: land a turn 2 blood moon and he scoops
g3: he plays inquisitions and thoughtseizes but i land ascension. make 18 goblins and attack. he casts zealous persecution to wipe my board. second main phase i combo out again and kill with grapeshot
love playing storm. i dont have fetches - waiting for the reprints
i play 3 grapeshot
3 ravings (first to side out)
3 faithless looting (i like this)
0 thought scour
this deck plays liliana, confidant, tidehollow sculler, meddling mage, revoker.
g1: try to combo off but am 1 mana short of winning. he kills with geist
g2: land a turn 2 blood moon and he scoops
g3: he plays inquisitions and thoughtseizes but i land ascension. make 18 goblins and attack. he casts zealous persecution to wipe my board. second main phase i combo out again and kill with grapeshot
Can you post your list or at least explain how you were able to get a turn 2 Blood Moon? Do you run Spirit Guides? With my deck, turn 3 is the fastest I have gotten Blood Moon down. What accelerators do you run? I went back 4 or 5 pages looking to see if you posted a list but I did not see one.
this deck plays liliana, confidant, tidehollow sculler, meddling mage, revoker.
g1: try to combo off but am 1 mana short of winning. he kills with geist
g2: land a turn 2 blood moon and he scoops
g3: he plays inquisitions and thoughtseizes but i land ascension. make 18 goblins and attack. he casts zealous persecution to wipe my board. second main phase i combo out again and kill with grapeshot
Can you post your list or at least explain how you were able to get a turn 2 Blood Moon? Do you run Spirit Guides? With my deck, turn 3 is the fastest I have gotten Blood Moon down. What accelerators do you run? I went back 4 or 5 pages looking to see if you posted a list but I did not see one.
Holy poop... you are right... i was looking through my deck and idk why it didnt click... I do that all the time. I have no idea what I was thinking sorry... idk which deck I had on my mind... better not pull something like this tonight >.< haha
UR Storm has enjoyed a lot of success recently. It's one of the top 10 most-played decks on MTGO with about a 5.5% metagame share (more than Jund, Scapeshift, and UWR Midrange!). It put up some great finishes at PT Valencia, both in the overall event and just in the Modern standings, and shared similar success at GP Richmond's day 2 metagame. Overall, Storm pilots have proven that the deck is far from dead and that it is one of the premier combo decks of the format. Keep up the great work!
Tron, uwr control/tempo, 3-color twin decks, valakut, maybe zoo, possibly jund, any other multicolored deck without red
No:
affinity - mostly play colorless spells
plain ur twin - they usually have a basic island to get out of it
merfolk - too many basics
not sure melira pod. you dont technically need green mana to cast birthing pod and they also try to stick a turn 1 mana dork
Thanks for the reply! So, any multi colored deck or any three colored deck? Seems like most two colored decks would run enough basics to do fine against Blood Moon
I haven't played enough games in order to test its effectiveness against 2 color decks.
UR Delver plays enough basic islands, so it would be mostly ineffective.
Maybe against Bogles? How many basic lands do they typically play?
Way to go on getting Proven guys! Keep kicking ass and proving me wrong!
Also in my experience, Blood Moon hoses Zoo. It will keep Wild Cats at 2, and most of the time the only other red threat they play is Kird Ape. Landing a t2 Moon can sometimes just straight up lock them out of the game for a few turns.
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If I had Temple in the deck the only time I would want it is turn 1 when we aren't doing much anyway. The only spell we can cast turn 1 if a land is tapped is Gitaxian Probe. I don't see Scry 1 being worth a tapped land when we need all we can get for the first few turns.
Yeah i'm gonna have to go ahead and say the Temple is probably just terrible in this deck. With more than half the deck being 1 mana cantrips, it feels like there will always be something you can do that will be more profitable than a Citp tapped land, with scry 1. Scry 1 is barely doing anything at all, and in no way makes up for the downside of coming into play tapped. How many times is that land being tapped going to stop you from resolving Ascension or comboing off?
Like kazrya said, the only real time you would want that is t1, and even then you have 16+ other cards that would be better.
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I agree with the others since we generally avoid playing Sulfur Falls because it comes into play tapped if it's your T1 land, and I don't think the Scry 1 of the temple will make it that much better. After T1, the temple becomes worse than Sulfur Falls imo. But if you're willing to test it, go for it! It could turn out to be worth it.
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That's a pretty short sighted assessment. Sure there are a slew of randoms on Cockatrice, but plenty of people play with a dedicated group, or team, or ya know, friends, who are equally as competitive.
I actually haven't seen that twiddle storm deck. I am a sucker for Gifts though so i might have to try it! I'm not sure how i feel about putting so much pressure on my mana. A Fulminator Mage or similiar card would really ruin your day.
I'm curious what you think of Swan Song? It seems like a good answer to the Eidolons and may help some other matchups.
Against Eidolons, I don't think Swan Song will be effective. The deck most likely to play the white one is Pod, and Swan Song doesn't stop them from Podding into it. The red one will be played in Burn (at least that's what other people believe, I don't. I think it's bad in Burn) and giving them a 2/2 body to beat you down with can't end well.
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The red Eidolon is bad in Burn. As a maindeck card another burn spell (even Skullcrack or Incinerate) would be better, while as a SB card all it does is stop Storm. Why play the red Eidolon for only one matchup when grave hate is more general and hits other decks too?
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I've played against this deck with my own classic UR storm build. Very strong actually. He would have gone off had I not drawn both sideboard Echoing Truth cards to bounce his auras
match 1: rug twin
g1 i kill quick
g2 i kill quick
match 2: goblins
g1 he plays goblin guides and legion loyalists and gets me down to 8 life. i combo and make 16 goblin tokens but he plays lightning bolt + goblin bomb for the win
g2 i make a bunch of tokens but he plays legion loyalist so i cant block his team
match 2: mono black infect
g1 he has too many creature kill spells, and i can pay as much life as i need to since he kills with poison. easy
g2 win turn 4. he didnt realize cage shuts off past in flames so he forgets to side it in
match 4: esper
this deck plays liliana, confidant, tidehollow sculler, meddling mage, revoker.
g1: try to combo off but am 1 mana short of winning. he kills with geist
g2: land a turn 2 blood moon and he scoops
g3: he plays inquisitions and thoughtseizes but i land ascension. make 18 goblins and attack. he casts zealous persecution to wipe my board. second main phase i combo out again and kill with grapeshot
love playing storm. i dont have fetches - waiting for the reprints
i play 3 grapeshot
3 ravings (first to side out)
3 faithless looting (i like this)
0 thought scour
might go to 2 ravings
Can you post your list or at least explain how you were able to get a turn 2 Blood Moon? Do you run Spirit Guides? With my deck, turn 3 is the fastest I have gotten Blood Moon down. What accelerators do you run? I went back 4 or 5 pages looking to see if you posted a list but I did not see one.
3rd turn overall in the game
i play a standard list with those few differences such as 3 grapeshot and no thought scours
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Holy poop... you are right... i was looking through my deck and idk why it didnt click... I do that all the time. I have no idea what I was thinking sorry... idk which deck I had on my mind... better not pull something like this tonight >.< haha
UR Storm has enjoyed a lot of success recently. It's one of the top 10 most-played decks on MTGO with about a 5.5% metagame share (more than Jund, Scapeshift, and UWR Midrange!). It put up some great finishes at PT Valencia, both in the overall event and just in the Modern standings, and shared similar success at GP Richmond's day 2 metagame. Overall, Storm pilots have proven that the deck is far from dead and that it is one of the premier combo decks of the format. Keep up the great work!
Tron, uwr control/tempo, 3-color twin decks, valakut, maybe zoo, possibly jund, any other multicolored deck without red
No:
affinity - mostly play colorless spells
plain ur twin - they usually have a basic island to get out of it
merfolk - too many basics
not sure melira pod. you dont technically need green mana to cast birthing pod and they also try to stick a turn 1 mana dork
I haven't played enough games in order to test its effectiveness against 2 color decks.
UR Delver plays enough basic islands, so it would be mostly ineffective.
Maybe against Bogles? How many basic lands do they typically play?
Also in my experience, Blood Moon hoses Zoo. It will keep Wild Cats at 2, and most of the time the only other red threat they play is Kird Ape. Landing a t2 Moon can sometimes just straight up lock them out of the game for a few turns.
Temple of Epiphany
Could such a card actually be playable in storm for inreasing its consistency? I think probably not, but I will test it anyway.
Like kazrya said, the only real time you would want that is t1, and even then you have 16+ other cards that would be better.