Assault Loam

  • #328
    Yeah, I think Abrupt Decay is good in the board.

    I don't know about Torpor Orb. I might go with Dismember instead for Twin. Rakdos Charm is a good one, I might play that myself. I think you might want something more against other graveyard decks, and maybe the Inquisition of Kozilek in the side for combo.



    Quote from Xour
    Big Jim, thank you so much for your reply. So, to sum up this is what you suggest:

    -1 Seismic Assault
    -1 Inquisition of Kozilek
    -1 Abrupt Decay
    +2 Pyroclasm
    +1 Lightning Bolt

    I really like the idea of having Pyroclasm in my mainboard. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable dropping Seismic Assault to 3, I've already have a hard time finding one with 4 (please note, that this may be because I'm not that experienced with this deck).

    Do you have any suggestions for my sideboard? Perhaps -1 Pyroclasm +1 Abrupt Decay?
  • #329
    I like Torpor Orb against Twin and Pod (Kiki Pod), but Dismember may work just fine as well. I'm currently trying to make a sideboard plan.

    Thanks for the advice!
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  • #330
    After dying repeatedly to 4+ toughness dudes i made the switch to dismember and never looked back.

    Note I play jabberwocki's list pretty much exactly, except for a few sideboard things( i had leyline before jabberwocki thought it was cool Smile )
  • #331
    Anyone else playing the Borborygmos version?

    I played yesterday on a 12-person to a 3-1 finish with very fun games. Game 1 is usually pretty good without the grave hate.

    I'm looking for an alternate wincon/board stall against aggro since you can outclass control with manlands and inevitability as they don't set you on a cloak but super fast aggro can pretty much rebuild after your first pyroclasm.

    Anyone still working on it? I've seen the Seismic build but not nearly as fun as reanimating Borbo and going straight for the kill.
  • #332
    Knight of the Reliquary? Tarmogoyf? Lingering Souls?

    I've been trying to make it work but I found it to be somehow inconsistent (not that I'm a good deck builder though)
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  • #333
    Lingering souls along with reanimating Elesh can be pretty effective against aggro. Thier stuff stays dead or cant stand up to your spirits, and your pyro is even more effective since it will most definatley clear their stuff and not yours
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  • #334
    The problem is how do you tutor for Elesh Norn? As a 1-of she is not that reliable.
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  • #335
    Its just an alternative wincon vs aggro. There is already somuch in the deck to stop aggro especially if ur already running pyro. Seismic assault alone should be a game ender against most aggro matchups. You still have Decay bolt, pyro and flamejab before then. Run lingering souls if you want to slow them down.
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  • #336
    Wondering if anyone has ever tried Goblin Lore in this deck? It seems like most of your potential random discards you want in the yard anyway, making it something of a 1R Ancestral Recall, with potentially even more upside. Almost like casting both halves of faithless looting for half the mana.

    Also, wondering if anyone has tested Goryo's Vengeance as the reanimation spell of choice over Unburial Rites in the Borbory version? Giving your guy haste so that you get to swing for 7 trample right away plus trigger the flip three seems good. Also lets you cast Loam/Reanimate in the same turn at 4 mana.

    I feel like this allows for much faster gold-fish wins, but also the potential to stall if you don't have enough lands in hand to kill the turn you reanimate. Would want to still have a seismic or two in the deck + bolt/flame jab to finish off in this event maybe.

    Thoughts?
  • #337
    Quote from Leumas8155
    Wondering if anyone has ever tried Goblin Lore in this deck? It seems like most of your potential random discards you want in the yard anyway, making it something of a 1R Ancestral Recall, with potentially even more upside. Almost like casting both halves of faithless looting for half the mana.

    Thoughts?


    I think Desperate Ravings is better if you can manage the blue splash because it can be dredged into. Goblin Lore seems okay, but even with Ravings I wouldn't want too many of these effects above 4x Faithless Looting (which gets the nod because it costs less on the front end). Maybe only 2-3 more of these.
  • #338
    Desperate Ravings is also an instant (this could potentially save a Loam)
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  • #339
    Quote from Leumas8155
    Also, wondering if anyone has tested Goryo's Vengeance as the reanimation spell of choice over Unburial Rites in the Borbory version? Giving your guy haste so that you get to swing for 7 trample right away plus trigger the flip three seems good. Also lets you cast Loam/Reanimate in the same turn at 4 mana.

    I feel like this allows for much faster gold-fish wins, but also the potential to stall if you don't have enough lands in hand to kill the turn you reanimate. Would want to still have a seismic or two in the deck + bolt/flame jab to finish off in this event maybe.

    Thoughts?


    Borbo Reanimator Loam was born when its creator found that he had to keep Dredging LftL just to stay alive in a lot of match-ups. Goryo's Vengeance will never replace Unburial Rites because Rites can be cast from the graveyard (once).
  • #340
    has anyone tried incorporating buried ruins + codex shredder in their lists? it provides a means of pulling seismic assault out of the graveyard to let you dredge more aggressively. it also opens up some options like recurrable executioners capsules.
  • #341
    I wish we had volrath's stronghold in modern Frown Then we could run it with eternal witness, rather than fumbling with the clunkiness of something like buried ruin + codex shredder.
  • #342
    yea. volrath's stronghold would be much nicer. and cycling lands would probably be even cooler to have. however, buried ruin seems pretty good though. as a singleton, it doesn't mess with your mana base that much. and it can enable repeated ratchet bombs, or engineered explosives, and with a singleton codex shredder, you can pull seismic assault, or really any card you need out of your graveyard. the codex shredder is a pretty sizeable mana investment though. So ideally you will have stabilised first, then you can pull out the seismic assault and proceed to win. I am running both buried ruin and codex shredder in a creatureless shell, and I was curious if anyone else had tried it and what their opinions were because I only play casually so I haven't really been able to do much in the way of strenuous testing.
  • #343
    Quote from taylors
    I wish we had volrath's stronghold in modern Frown Then we could run it with eternal witness, rather than fumbling with the clunkiness of something like buried ruin + codex shredder.


    If Witness is your only creature, what about Haunted Fengraf?
  • #344
    You can also forget about that and include some eternal witnesses to the Borborygmos Enraged version of the deck.
    Haunted fengraf+eternal witness mean 6 mana and having the land on play, a land with no further use apart from that. Buried ruin+codex shredder are cards that doesn't forward your game. But Unburial rites gets you the "living seismic assault" that is Borby and also lifts EW, which gives you the SA from the graveyard. And everything works from your GY, so you can dredge as hard as you want.
    Last edited by akio: 6/20/2013 1:52:30 PM
  • #345
    There seems to be some very strong anti-synergy with the unburial rites version and Smallpox. I have really been enjoying the creatureless version of the deck. I understand that the Unburial Rites version is powerful, and it obviously doesn't need codex shredder. however, it seems like an interesting new direction that the deck could take. especially since the creatureless list has been seeing some success. I'll test it out a little more thoroughly and see if its worth the two card spots. although I am running a slightly budget version of the deck.
  • #346
    Quote from Xour
    The problem is how do you tutor for Elesh Norn? As a 1-of she is not that reliable.


    Time of Need seems like a reasonable card for that. Not to mention that it grabs Griselbrand, if you're into drawing tons of cards.

    Since I'm in here does Ensnaring Bridge work in this style deck? I've been slumming around with the 8rack thread and have found that card to be the stone cold nuts.
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  • #347
    Time of need sounds like a bad idea. Why not just add another Elish Norn then? That way you wouldn't have to spend 2 mana.

    In some ways Ensnaring bridge feels redundant with Liliana or Pyroclasm. You'll probably be dropping one of these ASAP to slow your opponent down.
  • #348
    So, I've been doing alot of reading on this deck, and was thinking: With M14 coming, and scavenging ooze becoming modern legal, is it really worth it to invest in Goyf's? Ooze in the deck can easily shut down most decks and even goyf itself.
    Now I know the arguments: "it's easy to bolt!" or, "it doesn't affect the board-state when it hits!". But is the same not true about goyf? Yes it's not as easy to bolt, but with a little grave hate it is completely shut down. Personally, I'd rather have a creature that allows me to gain life using all the mana I have while also getting bigger in most cases(bigger than the goyf if allowed to survive), and that is still a 2/2 regardless of grave hate.

    Basically my question is whether it's worth it to get goyfs and play the deck, or get ooze and be better off in the long run?


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  • #349
    Has anyone seen this over at channel fireball?

    http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-twoo-modern-complex-dredge/

    He skipped the Seismic Assault and Mulch and went with Stinkweed Imp and Drown in filth. He also cut down to 22 lands.
    Not sure how much I like his build, but it is entertaining to watch him play as usual.
  • #350
    Time of need over a second elesh because sometimes you want to grab bobo?
  • #351


    For the record I don't think TWoo's dredge deck qualifies as "Assault-Loam." After all, cutting one of the two cards (Seismic Assault, Life from the Loam) actually in the deck name kind of signals he's going in more of a different direction. That deck looks, and plays, more like Standard reanimater with Modern cards.

    With that said has anyone ever tried Demigod of Revenge (sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread) in the more traditional Assault-Loam shell? Seems like it would be a great bomb at the top of the curve, as you're sure to dredge/discard at least one into you GY playing Loam, potentially Mulch, and potentially Faithless Looting. Two+ 5/4 hasty flyers - yes please, sign me up. Also, if you play Eternal Witness, then Demigod is an absolutely must exile or the multiple recursions become ridiculous. Oh, and the mana isn't as hard to do as you might think; in fact, it's not hard at all.

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  • #352
    After reading this thread for far too long and making my own version, what about Death Cloud? Pairing Small Pox and Death Cloud together creates a large problem for control, aggro and control. Also, I am saddened that more people are not using Noxious Revival. It becomes whatever card in your graveyard that you need next turn and also can save you against grave hate. Too good!

    This is my deck:

    1 Shard Phoenix or Vengeful Pharaoh

    Spells
    3 Death Cloud
    4 Faithless Looting
    3 Flame Jab
    4 Life from the Loam
    2 Lightning Bolt
    3 Noxious Revival
    4 Raven's Crime
    4 Smallpox

    Enchantments
    4 Seismic Assault

    Lands
    4 Blackcleave Cliffs
    2 Blood Crypt
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Fire-Lit Thicket
    1 Forest
    2 Ghost Quarter
    4 Graven Cairns
    1 Lavaclaw Reaches
    2 Misty Rainforest
    1 Mountain
    1 Overgrown Tomb
    1 Stomping Ground
    1 Swamp
    1 Twilight Mire
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    4 Verdant Catacombs
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