Wondering if anyone has ever tried Goblin Lore in this deck? It seems like most of your potential random discards you want in the yard anyway, making it something of a 1R Ancestral Recall, with potentially even more upside. Almost like casting both halves of faithless looting for half the mana.
Also, wondering if anyone has tested Goryo's Vengeance as the reanimation spell of choice over Unburial Rites in the Borbory version? Giving your guy haste so that you get to swing for 7 trample right away plus trigger the flip three seems good. Also lets you cast Loam/Reanimate in the same turn at 4 mana.
I feel like this allows for much faster gold-fish wins, but also the potential to stall if you don't have enough lands in hand to kill the turn you reanimate. Would want to still have a seismic or two in the deck + bolt/flame jab to finish off in this event maybe.
Wondering if anyone has ever tried Goblin Lore in this deck? It seems like most of your potential random discards you want in the yard anyway, making it something of a 1R Ancestral Recall, with potentially even more upside. Almost like casting both halves of faithless looting for half the mana.
Thoughts?
I think Desperate Ravings is better if you can manage the blue splash because it can be dredged into. Goblin Lore seems okay, but even with Ravings I wouldn't want too many of these effects above 4x Faithless Looting (which gets the nod because it costs less on the front end). Maybe only 2-3 more of these.
Desperate Ravings is also an instant (this could potentially save a Loam)
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Also, wondering if anyone has tested Goryo's Vengeance as the reanimation spell of choice over Unburial Rites in the Borbory version? Giving your guy haste so that you get to swing for 7 trample right away plus trigger the flip three seems good. Also lets you cast Loam/Reanimate in the same turn at 4 mana.
I feel like this allows for much faster gold-fish wins, but also the potential to stall if you don't have enough lands in hand to kill the turn you reanimate. Would want to still have a seismic or two in the deck + bolt/flame jab to finish off in this event maybe.
Thoughts?
Borbo Reanimator Loam was born when its creator found that he had to keep Dredging LftL just to stay alive in a lot of match-ups. Goryo's Vengeance will never replace Unburial Rites because Rites can be cast from the graveyard (once).
has anyone tried incorporating buried ruins + codex shredder in their lists? it provides a means of pulling seismic assault out of the graveyard to let you dredge more aggressively. it also opens up some options like recurrable executioners capsules.
I wish we had volrath's stronghold in modern Then we could run it with eternal witness, rather than fumbling with the clunkiness of something like buried ruin + codex shredder.
yea. volrath's stronghold would be much nicer. and cycling lands would probably be even cooler to have. however, buried ruin seems pretty good though. as a singleton, it doesn't mess with your mana base that much. and it can enable repeated ratchet bombs, or engineered explosives, and with a singleton codex shredder, you can pull seismic assault, or really any card you need out of your graveyard. the codex shredder is a pretty sizeable mana investment though. So ideally you will have stabilised first, then you can pull out the seismic assault and proceed to win. I am running both buried ruin and codex shredder in a creatureless shell, and I was curious if anyone else had tried it and what their opinions were because I only play casually so I haven't really been able to do much in the way of strenuous testing.
I wish we had volrath's stronghold in modern Then we could run it with eternal witness, rather than fumbling with the clunkiness of something like buried ruin + codex shredder.
If Witness is your only creature, what about Haunted Fengraf?
There seems to be some very strong anti-synergy with the unburial rites version and Smallpox. I have really been enjoying the creatureless version of the deck. I understand that the Unburial Rites version is powerful, and it obviously doesn't need codex shredder. however, it seems like an interesting new direction that the deck could take. especially since the creatureless list has been seeing some success. I'll test it out a little more thoroughly and see if its worth the two card spots. although I am running a slightly budget version of the deck.
The problem is how do you tutor for Elesh Norn? As a 1-of she is not that reliable.
Time of Need seems like a reasonable card for that. Not to mention that it grabs Griselbrand, if you're into drawing tons of cards.
Since I'm in here does Ensnaring Bridge work in this style deck? I've been slumming around with the 8rack thread and have found that card to be the stone cold nuts.
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So, I've been doing alot of reading on this deck, and was thinking: With M14 coming, and scavenging ooze becoming modern legal, is it really worth it to invest in Goyf's? Ooze in the deck can easily shut down most decks and even goyf itself.
Now I know the arguments: "it's easy to bolt!" or, "it doesn't affect the board-state when it hits!". But is the same not true about goyf? Yes it's not as easy to bolt, but with a little grave hate it is completely shut down. Personally, I'd rather have a creature that allows me to gain life using all the mana I have while also getting bigger in most cases(bigger than the goyf if allowed to survive), and that is still a 2/2 regardless of grave hate.
Basically my question is whether it's worth it to get goyfs and play the deck, or get ooze and be better off in the long run?
He skipped the Seismic Assault and Mulch and went with Stinkweed Imp and Drown in filth. He also cut down to 22 lands.
Not sure how much I like his build, but it is entertaining to watch him play as usual.
For the record I don't think TWoo's dredge deck qualifies as "Assault-Loam." After all, cutting one of the two cards (Seismic Assault, Life from the Loam) actually in the deck name kind of signals he's going in more of a different direction. That deck looks, and plays, more like Standard reanimater with Modern cards.
With that said has anyone ever tried Demigod of Revenge (sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread) in the more traditional Assault-Loam shell? Seems like it would be a great bomb at the top of the curve, as you're sure to dredge/discard at least one into you GY playing Loam, potentially Mulch, and potentially Faithless Looting. Two+ 5/4 hasty flyers - yes please, sign me up. Also, if you play Eternal Witness, then Demigod is an absolutely must exile or the multiple recursions become ridiculous. Oh, and the mana isn't as hard to do as you might think; in fact, it's not hard at all.
After reading this thread for far too long and making my own version, what about Death Cloud? Pairing Small Pox and Death Cloud together creates a large problem for control, aggro and control. Also, I am saddened that more people are not using Noxious Revival. It becomes whatever card in your graveyard that you need next turn and also can save you against grave hate. Too good!
I want to build a deck similiar to this, but i can't get a playset of Tarmogoyf for budget reason. I was wondering if young pyromancer is a good replacement since i will cast lots of spell?
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I want to build a deck similiar to this, but i can't get a playset of Tarmogoyf for budget reason. I was wondering if young pyromancer is a good replacement since i will cast lots of spell?
I play a creature-less version that does an amazing job at winning. I don't see the need for either.
I play a creature-less version that does an amazing job at winning. I don't see the need for either.
Could you post your list? I can see why most cut Countryside Crusher, but can't imagine the deck without using some combination of Goyf, Bob, Finks, Eternal Witness, or something else. Do you side in creatures at all as alternate wincons or as blockers/lifegain?
Oh, and to the Young Pyromancer suggestion, you'd be leaning pretty heavily on Looting and Loam to power him, but they each give multiple uses so it might work. Test him, and let us know what you think.
Also, wondering if anyone has tested Goryo's Vengeance as the reanimation spell of choice over Unburial Rites in the Borbory version? Giving your guy haste so that you get to swing for 7 trample right away plus trigger the flip three seems good. Also lets you cast Loam/Reanimate in the same turn at 4 mana.
I feel like this allows for much faster gold-fish wins, but also the potential to stall if you don't have enough lands in hand to kill the turn you reanimate. Would want to still have a seismic or two in the deck + bolt/flame jab to finish off in this event maybe.
Thoughts?
I think Desperate Ravings is better if you can manage the blue splash because it can be dredged into. Goblin Lore seems okay, but even with Ravings I wouldn't want too many of these effects above 4x Faithless Looting (which gets the nod because it costs less on the front end). Maybe only 2-3 more of these.
Borbo Reanimator Loam was born when its creator found that he had to keep Dredging LftL just to stay alive in a lot of match-ups. Goryo's Vengeance will never replace Unburial Rites because Rites can be cast from the graveyard (once).
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If Witness is your only creature, what about Haunted Fengraf?
Time of Need seems like a reasonable card for that. Not to mention that it grabs Griselbrand, if you're into drawing tons of cards.
Since I'm in here does Ensnaring Bridge work in this style deck? I've been slumming around with the 8rack thread and have found that card to be the stone cold nuts.
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In some ways Ensnaring bridge feels redundant with Liliana or Pyroclasm. You'll probably be dropping one of these ASAP to slow your opponent down.
Now I know the arguments: "it's easy to bolt!" or, "it doesn't affect the board-state when it hits!". But is the same not true about goyf? Yes it's not as easy to bolt, but with a little grave hate it is completely shut down. Personally, I'd rather have a creature that allows me to gain life using all the mana I have while also getting bigger in most cases(bigger than the goyf if allowed to survive), and that is still a 2/2 regardless of grave hate.
Basically my question is whether it's worth it to get goyfs and play the deck, or get ooze and be better off in the long run?
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He skipped the Seismic Assault and Mulch and went with Stinkweed Imp and Drown in filth. He also cut down to 22 lands.
Not sure how much I like his build, but it is entertaining to watch him play as usual.
For the record I don't think TWoo's dredge deck qualifies as "Assault-Loam." After all, cutting one of the two cards (Seismic Assault, Life from the Loam) actually in the deck name kind of signals he's going in more of a different direction. That deck looks, and plays, more like Standard reanimater with Modern cards.
With that said has anyone ever tried Demigod of Revenge (sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread) in the more traditional Assault-Loam shell? Seems like it would be a great bomb at the top of the curve, as you're sure to dredge/discard at least one into you GY playing Loam, potentially Mulch, and potentially Faithless Looting. Two+ 5/4 hasty flyers - yes please, sign me up. Also, if you play Eternal Witness, then Demigod is an absolutely must exile or the multiple recursions become ridiculous. Oh, and the mana isn't as hard to do as you might think; in fact, it's not hard at all.
This is my deck:
1 Shard Phoenix or Vengeful Pharaoh
Spells
3 Death Cloud
4 Faithless Looting
3 Flame Jab
4 Life from the Loam
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Noxious Revival
4 Raven's Crime
4 Smallpox
Enchantments
4 Seismic Assault
Lands
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Twilight Mire
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
I want to build a deck similiar to this, but i can't get a playset of Tarmogoyf for budget reason. I was wondering if young pyromancer is a good replacement since i will cast lots of spell?
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I play a creature-less version that does an amazing job at winning. I don't see the need for either.
Could you post your list? I can see why most cut Countryside Crusher, but can't imagine the deck without using some combination of Goyf, Bob, Finks, Eternal Witness, or something else. Do you side in creatures at all as alternate wincons or as blockers/lifegain?
Oh, and to the Young Pyromancer suggestion, you'd be leaning pretty heavily on Looting and Loam to power him, but they each give multiple uses so it might work. Test him, and let us know what you think.