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Seems like it plays pretty differently than the version I've been on. This looks kinda like BGx midrange decks (Jund/Junk) with more emphasis on graveyard Life From the Loam interaction instead of lots of traditional removal.
It does seem fun to play. How well did it perform?
Would you say it was better than traditional jund?
It was kinda meh. Good for an FNM. Creature decks are a bye. Control decks are a grind. Combo is very rough post-sideboard (often having to fight through Leyline of Sanctity and other defensive anti-hate).
I didn't like the Deathrite Shaman - I thought it would help accelerate into your power-3's (Liliana of the Veil and Seismic Assault), but the draw back for exiling the land was more often harmful than helpful. I'd much prefer going back to bobs.
I'm considering ditching the Bloodghast and including this guy as a 2-of. It can be discarded to Liliana / Looting / Pox, and have a decent purpose once in the graveyard.
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He's had better results with the deck, obviously. But I found lowering the land count helped a bit. I couldn't stand drawing land for 4 turns in a row in a deck that might have such low action hands. Faithless Looting and Desperate Ravings only get you so far before you already needed a Life from the Loam 2 turns ago.
The bad matchups in my experience have been:
Zoo
Affinity
Burn / RDW
BG/x decks that get a Tarmogoyf out.
UWR Geist or UWR Control (If they just burn you 4-5 times)
I'm glad to see him do well with it. Its certainly very fun to play with, and there are endless amounts of decisions every game considering how much card filtering and the specific order you play your lands.
Your comment about aggro and Tarmogoyfs suprises me. On paper, it seems like this deck should have a reasonable enough time with loads of creatures, given the Pox, Lilianas, Bolts, and Jabs. Even though Flame Jab itself is weak against Goyf itself, it allows your edict effects to get them by clearing out Hierarchs and Deathrites before hand.
I'm not doubting your results, I'm just a bit surprised.
I'll be taking a similar deck to Portland, and I'm thinking I may toss a few Abrupt Decays or Go for the Throats in the main. While these two spells can be poor against affinity, the red removal (Flame Jab in particular) really smashes them.
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I play a similar deck and have problems with 3+ toughness creatures in general. You don't draw pox or bolt every game, and you can just die to creatures and burn fast. I think Loam is one of, if not the, most powerful engines in modern. The trick is finding the right mix of stuff to keep you alive until the late game.
Second mainboard Ghost Quarter: I cut the Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in favor of this (it seems that Tron and mandlands are quite populate around here)
Abrupt Decay: sadly I only own 2 Lilianas so I had to replace the third with this
Bloodghast: don't like them that much on this deck but I don't know what else to run. I tried without them but always had a hard time closing games
Is the sideboard any good for a diverse meta? Expecting Tron, Twin, Pod, Junk, Affinity, Elves, UWr (both Geist and Wafo-Tapa), etc.
Thanks in advance!
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Mostly because I much rather be able to disrupt Tron no matter how many lands they have and Ghost Quarter doesn't need mana to activate.
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Looks good. I might go:
-1 Seismic Assault
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
+2 Pyroclasm
Pyroclasm seems really good to me now. It is good against these decks in your meta:
Pod (mostly Melira), Junk, Affinity, Elves, UWr (Geist)
I probably wouldn't play Abrupt Decay main. It's a fine card, but I might want the 3rd Lightning Bolt instead. Decay is good, but many of the decks in your meta are creature decks, and bolt is better against the creatures in them as well as stuff like Ajani Vengeant. Bolt is dead against tron, but Decay doesn't do much there either, and you have Smallpox.
I really like the idea of having Pyroclasm in my mainboard. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable dropping Seismic Assault to 3, I've already have a hard time finding one with 4 (please note, that this may be because I'm not that experienced with this deck).
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I don't know about Torpor Orb. I might go with Dismember instead for Twin. Rakdos Charm is a good one, I might play that myself. I think you might want something more against other graveyard decks, and maybe the Inquisition of Kozilek in the side for combo.
I really like the idea of having Pyroclasm in my mainboard. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable dropping Seismic Assault to 3, I've already have a hard time finding one with 4 (please note, that this may be because I'm not that experienced with this deck).
I like Torpor Orb against Twin and Pod (Kiki Pod), but Dismember may work just fine as well. I'm currently trying to make a sideboard plan.
Thanks for the advice!
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I played yesterday on a 12-person to a 3-1 finish with very fun games. Game 1 is usually pretty good without the grave hate.
I'm looking for an alternate wincon/board stall against aggro since you can outclass control with manlands and inevitability as they don't set you on a cloak but super fast aggro can pretty much rebuild after your first pyroclasm.
Anyone still working on it? I've seen the Seismic build but not nearly as fun as reanimating Borbo and going straight for the kill.
I've been trying to make it work but I found it to be somehow inconsistent (not that I'm a good deck builder though)
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Lingering souls along with reanimating Elesh can be pretty effective against aggro. Thier stuff stays dead or cant stand up to your spirits, and your pyro is even more effective since it will most definatley clear their stuff and not yours
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The problem is how do you tutor for Elesh Norn? As a 1-of she is not that reliable.
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Its just an alternative wincon vs aggro. There is already somuch in the deck to stop aggro especially if ur already running pyro. Seismic assault alone should be a game ender against most aggro matchups. You still have Decay bolt, pyro and flamejab before then. Run lingering souls if you want to slow them down.
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I meant "is not Modern legal". My bad!
It was kinda meh. Good for an FNM. Creature decks are a bye. Control decks are a grind. Combo is very rough post-sideboard (often having to fight through Leyline of Sanctity and other defensive anti-hate).
I didn't like the Deathrite Shaman - I thought it would help accelerate into your power-3's (Liliana of the Veil and Seismic Assault), but the draw back for exiling the land was more often harmful than helpful. I'd much prefer going back to bobs.
Abrupt Decay is a very good addition.
I'm considering ditching the Bloodghast and including this guy as a 2-of. It can be discarded to Liliana / Looting / Pox, and have a decent purpose once in the graveyard.
Sadly, not me... but Jaberwocki did: http://www.wizards.com/magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/5374267
Here is his list with tags:
Modern Premier #5374267 on 05/06/2013Magic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Raging Ravine
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Watery Grave
3 Desperate Ravings
4 Faithless Looting
2 Flame Jab
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Life from the Loam
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Pyroclasm
3 Raven's Crime
3 Seismic Assault
4 Smallpox
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Batterskull
1 Flame Jab
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Lightning Bolt
2 Thoughtseize
15 sideboard cards
I have been playing with the same deck myself, however I found immense problems with aggro and Tarmogoyfs in general.
Control and combo are pretty easy. Raven's Crime and Liliana of the Veil can just destroy their hand before they do anything.
He's had better results with the deck, obviously. But I found lowering the land count helped a bit. I couldn't stand drawing land for 4 turns in a row in a deck that might have such low action hands. Faithless Looting and Desperate Ravings only get you so far before you already needed a Life from the Loam 2 turns ago.
The bad matchups in my experience have been:
Zoo
Affinity
Burn / RDW
BG/x decks that get a Tarmogoyf out.
UWR Geist or UWR Control (If they just burn you 4-5 times)
I'm glad to see him do well with it. Its certainly very fun to play with, and there are endless amounts of decisions every game considering how much card filtering and the specific order you play your lands.
Your comment about aggro and Tarmogoyfs suprises me. On paper, it seems like this deck should have a reasonable enough time with loads of creatures, given the Pox, Lilianas, Bolts, and Jabs. Even though Flame Jab itself is weak against Goyf itself, it allows your edict effects to get them by clearing out Hierarchs and Deathrites before hand.
I'm not doubting your results, I'm just a bit surprised.
I'll be taking a similar deck to Portland, and I'm thinking I may toss a few Abrupt Decays or Go for the Throats in the main. While these two spells can be poor against affinity, the red removal (Flame Jab in particular) really smashes them.
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2 Arid Mesa
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
2 Copperline Gorge
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Mountain
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Faithless Looting
2 Flame Jab
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Raven's Crime
4 Life from the Loam
4 Smallpox
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Seismic Assault
Creatures:
4 Bloodghast
2 Torpor Orb
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Darkblast
2 Nature's Claim
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Pyroclasm
2 Rakdos Charm
1 Jund Charm
2 Obstinate Baloth
Some notes on the card choices:
Is the sideboard any good for a diverse meta? Expecting Tron, Twin, Pod, Junk, Affinity, Elves, UWr (both Geist and Wafo-Tapa), etc.
Thanks in advance!
Why Ghost Quarter over Tectonic Edge?
Modern Warp / UR Control / UR Storm / Naya Breachshift / ElectroBalance
Solidarity / Lands / Sneak and Show / Grixis Delver / Reanimator / Belcher / Storm / Dredge
-1 Seismic Assault
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
+2 Pyroclasm
Pyroclasm seems really good to me now. It is good against these decks in your meta:
Pod (mostly Melira), Junk, Affinity, Elves, UWr (Geist)
I probably wouldn't play Abrupt Decay main. It's a fine card, but I might want the 3rd Lightning Bolt instead. Decay is good, but many of the decks in your meta are creature decks, and bolt is better against the creatures in them as well as stuff like Ajani Vengeant. Bolt is dead against tron, but Decay doesn't do much there either, and you have Smallpox.
My .02.
-1 Seismic Assault
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
-1 Abrupt Decay
+2 Pyroclasm
+1 Lightning Bolt
I really like the idea of having Pyroclasm in my mainboard. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable dropping Seismic Assault to 3, I've already have a hard time finding one with 4 (please note, that this may be because I'm not that experienced with this deck).
Do you have any suggestions for my sideboard? Perhaps -1 Pyroclasm +1 Abrupt Decay?
I don't know about Torpor Orb. I might go with Dismember instead for Twin. Rakdos Charm is a good one, I might play that myself. I think you might want something more against other graveyard decks, and maybe the Inquisition of Kozilek in the side for combo.
Thanks for the advice!
Note I play jabberwocki's list pretty much exactly, except for a few sideboard things( i had leyline before jabberwocki thought it was cool )
I played yesterday on a 12-person to a 3-1 finish with very fun games. Game 1 is usually pretty good without the grave hate.
I'm looking for an alternate wincon/board stall against aggro since you can outclass control with manlands and inevitability as they don't set you on a cloak but super fast aggro can pretty much rebuild after your first pyroclasm.
Anyone still working on it? I've seen the Seismic build but not nearly as fun as reanimating Borbo and going straight for the kill.
I've been trying to make it work but I found it to be somehow inconsistent (not that I'm a good deck builder though)