What do you guys think about playing without any 4cmc drop and going with two 3cmc drop instead?
The ones that has potential are Kitchen Finks and Tireless Tracker...which seems more of a overall choice..I'm willing to test a couple of him this week.
What do you guys think about playing without any 4cmc drop and going with two 3cmc drop instead?
The ones that has potential are Kitchen Finks and Tireless Tracker...which seems more of a overall choice..I'm willing to test a couple of him this week.
I tested Tireless Tracker a while ago. It wasn't bad but the 2-toughness was pretty bad. It's not bad as a late game drop but at some point but I dont think it's great either.
I also dislike having 2 tasigurs, thats too crazy in my opinion. Burn and affinity is fairly present, 2 dmg difference is huge. Sometimes revealing Chandra or Olivia to Bob often puts me in a shacky spot concerning my lifetotals, I just don't want to imagine what happens when I reveal a Tasigur to Bob.
Tracker is good in decks like Knightfall where you constantly hit your lands. He is worth it if he constantly creates 2 clues, but neither is that easily achieveable, nor is he a good topdeck. In theory Tracker sounds good, but I prefer our four drops, as they recquire less investment and offer more to the field.
You can't always afford to keep fetches around to wait for a Tireless Tracker. And what exactly makes her a good topdeck? Tracker doesn't generate life or creates creature tokens, she is not able to block well and dies from everything, meaning a Decay is able to kill her in the mirror.
If she stays around for 1 turn she can start doing great things, but an unanswered Huntmaster, Kalitas or Olivia often win you the game.
Why would an unanswered Huntmaster, Olivia, or Kalitas be any more likely than an unanswered Tracker? Exactly what makes Tracker a worse blocker than Olivia of all things? If I was playing the mirror, I would 100% want Tracker over any of them.
If that's how you're looking at it, I generally would want Huntmaster or Olivia before I would want Tireless Tracker. Olivia is an army in a bottle so long as she gets to feed. Huntmaster can bring the pack and the beats as well. Tracker just ends up being a giant dinosaur that turns lands into re-draws.
Has anyone had any good results playing with a Glissa, the Traitor + Engineered Explosives package? I've noticed my local game store has become very wide. Elves, Merfolk, various Compnay decks, and my one-for-one removal just isn't cutting it. I could mainbord Anger, but I thought it might be a little more fun to go with the recurring EE gameplan. Havne't seen any decks doing it so perhaps there's a reason I'm just not seeing.
Or perhaps people just hate messing with what works.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"The worst part isn't the pain, or the smell, or even the fear of death. It's hearing the clatter of bone on stone and knowing the bones are yours."BRG
Has anyone had any good results playing with a Glissa, the Traitor + Engineered Explosives package? I've noticed my local game store has become very wide. Elves, Merfolk, various Compnay decks, and my one-for-one removal just isn't cutting it. I could mainbord Anger, but I thought it might be a little more fun to go with the recurring EE gameplan. Havne't seen any decks doing it so perhaps there's a reason I'm just not seeing.
Or perhaps people just hate messing with what works.
I've tried it in Wilted Abzan and it was fun for sure. I had some interesting artifacts in the sideboard to go along with it, but I can't remember most of them. Now that Lightning Bolt is on the decline, I may try this in Jund myself. You know... for the shiggles. First strike + deathtouch seems pretty decent.
This list results very strong, every turn I can play every missile in my deck. So, 2 tasigur bad with confidant, but with my test I prefer this one instead of a cc4 drop. In addition 5 lilianas: I don't want to split 3 old with 1 new of. So, I decided to play 4 old and 1 new with the sinergy of the deck.
This list ia crazy but this is the most powerful list I've ever try in Jund.
Has anyone had any good results playing with a Glissa, the Traitor + Engineered Explosives package? I've noticed my local game store has become very wide. Elves, Merfolk, various Compnay decks, and my one-for-one removal just isn't cutting it. I could mainbord Anger, but I thought it might be a little more fun to go with the recurring EE gameplan. Havne't seen any decks doing it so perhaps there's a reason I'm just not seeing.
Or perhaps people just hate messing with what works.
I would play 2 copies of LtLH and 1-2 Anger and 1 Damnation in my SB. Also 2-3 CB seems good here.
Does anyone get discouraged by Jund's lack of results, even at the FNM level lately?
I love Jund, and I know it'll eventually come back, but it's frustrating seeing it fall
Anyway, Flying
2 LtLh, 2 angers and 1 Damnation? Phew. That's a lot of creature hate.
I have really enjoyed playing a 2nd copy of Pulse in the side, and 3x CB's feel really nice against aggro and combo. Finks was my pet card, but I feel like CB hits more on a broader level. Where I do miss Finks is in the mirror/control matchups.
Does anyone get discouraged by Jund's lack of results, even at the FNM level lately?
I love Jund, and I know it'll eventually come back, but it's frustrating seeing it fall
Anyway, Flying
2 LtLh, 2 angers and 1 Damnation? Phew. That's a lot of creature hate.
I have really enjoyed playing a 2nd copy of Pulse in the side, and 3x CB's feel really nice against aggro and combo. Finks was my pet card, but I feel like CB hits more on a broader level. Where I do miss Finks is in the mirror/control matchups.
Glad that I'm not the only one on that boat...I fell the same way mate, this lack o result has been disturbing to say the least, for me.
Anyways, I'm back on the Blood Moon coming from the board, this is what I'm planning to play this week:
It just isn't as popular as it once was. Eldrazi & Tron are the matchups Jund players dreaded the most so some went with Jund Shadow. Now that Jund Shadow has teetered it's time to be back on Jund but perhaps a two color Rock version with ability to fight Tron somewhat. https://mtgdecks.net/Modern/b-g-midrange-decklist-by-sol-malka-692080 is worth looking at. I would honestly not feel too bad about the drop in popularity because it will rise again when it needs to. On the other hand if your meta has lots of Eldrazi & Tron it might be a good idea to try the two color version and see how it pans out. The deck is still 100% legit.
Many times I've been tempted to unload my cards and buy into Jund but as you can see I've split my diversity into mulltiple decks(see sig) instead of one or two. I'm sure many others could own Jund cept they are missing only the money bombs (goyf, lily, catacombs, bobs)
Commander GUR Maelstrom Wanderer BWU Sydri, Galvanic Genius BGB Meren of Clan Nel Toth WGW Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith RRR Feldon of the Third Path WWW Heliod, God of the Sun
2 LtLh, 2 angers and 1 Damnation? Phew. That's a lot of creature hate.
I have really enjoyed playing a 2nd copy of Pulse in the side, and 3x CB's feel really nice against aggro and combo. Finks was my pet card, but I feel like CB hits more on a broader level. Where I do miss Finks is in the mirror/control matchups.
Like the post I referred to said: the meta I was addressing these suggestions to contains a lot of Elves, Merfolk and Abzan Company decks. And yes, then I would absolutely play this high amount of creature hate
Does anyone get discouraged by Jund's lack of results, even at the FNM level lately?
TBH I was discouraged seeing my beloved deck plunge into tier 3 as it is of now. But I think this is not what we should base our motivation on. Its probably hard to do, but I startet to not let me discourage by such things anymore. Recently I started doing amazing in my local store's FNMs, and people there like it that I can rock it with good old jund. Its sad that the deck has fallen out of favour, but I think this is a perfect opportunity to really show what we Jund players are able to do. We can still win local FNMs and can still compete in larger tournaments, even if winning the latter ones will be less likely if the deck is less present. But if I were to go to a modern event I would definitely play Jund now. And all that besides the popular opinion that some variant of Death's Shadow deck is the best deck in the format right now. I really like what Willy Edel said about this issue in one of his recent articles:
"Its better to play 100 % of a 70 % deck than 70 % of a 100 % deck"
What this means is that it doesn't matter if the deck is not top tier anymore. It can still compete, and if you feel more comfortable playing this deck, then you will be more successful with it. I strongly belive this is true. Just have a look at Nikatchu for example. He is the Merfolk Master and has good success with playing merfolk despite the fact that recently we could see again, that pros such as LSV or William Jensen think Merfolk is a bad deck (from coverage of GP Vegas). Just don't let yourself get discouraged. Play the deck if you want to. After all, one of Magic's aspects is having fun while playing. This greatly reflects the success you have with a given deck according to my opinion.
The ones that has potential are Kitchen Finks and Tireless Tracker...which seems more of a overall choice..I'm willing to test a couple of him this week.
UR Twin - RIP
I tested Tireless Tracker a while ago. It wasn't bad but the 2-toughness was pretty bad. It's not bad as a late game drop but at some point but I dont think it's great either.
I also dislike having 2 tasigurs, thats too crazy in my opinion. Burn and affinity is fairly present, 2 dmg difference is huge. Sometimes revealing Chandra or Olivia to Bob often puts me in a shacky spot concerning my lifetotals, I just don't want to imagine what happens when I reveal a Tasigur to Bob.
The one problem that I have with it is that it can be counterproductive with Lilliana of the Veil.
We are already at times pitching useful cards that dark confidant draws us. This just gives you more to pitch.
If she stays around for 1 turn she can start doing great things, but an unanswered Huntmaster, Kalitas or Olivia often win you the game.
If that's how you're looking at it, I generally would want Huntmaster or Olivia before I would want Tireless Tracker. Olivia is an army in a bottle so long as she gets to feed. Huntmaster can bring the pack and the beats as well. Tracker just ends up being a giant dinosaur that turns lands into re-draws.
Or perhaps people just hate messing with what works.
I've tried it in Wilted Abzan and it was fun for sure. I had some interesting artifacts in the sideboard to go along with it, but I can't remember most of them. Now that Lightning Bolt is on the decline, I may try this in Jund myself. You know... for the shiggles. First strike + deathtouch seems pretty decent.
Bw eldrazi & taxes 2-0
Burn 2-1
Mardu (with lingering souls and Gideon maindeck) 2-1
Kiki-Chord 2-0
This was my list:
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Raging Ravine
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Twilight Mire
1 Blood Crypt
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Fatal Push
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Kolaghan's Command
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
3 Fulminator Mage
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Collective Brutality
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Jund Charm
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Damnation
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Engineered Explosives
This list results very strong, every turn I can play every missile in my deck. So, 2 tasigur bad with confidant, but with my test I prefer this one instead of a cc4 drop. In addition 5 lilianas: I don't want to split 3 old with 1 new of. So, I decided to play 4 old and 1 new with the sinergy of the deck.
This list ia crazy but this is the most powerful list I've ever try in Jund.
I would play 2 copies of LtLH and 1-2 Anger and 1 Damnation in my SB. Also 2-3 CB seems good here.
I love Jund, and I know it'll eventually come back, but it's frustrating seeing it fall
Anyway, Flying
2 LtLh, 2 angers and 1 Damnation? Phew. That's a lot of creature hate.
I have really enjoyed playing a 2nd copy of Pulse in the side, and 3x CB's feel really nice against aggro and combo. Finks was my pet card, but I feel like CB hits more on a broader level. Where I do miss Finks is in the mirror/control matchups.
Glad that I'm not the only one on that boat...I fell the same way mate, this lack o result has been disturbing to say the least, for me.
Anyways, I'm back on the Blood Moon coming from the board, this is what I'm planning to play this week:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Liliana of the Veil
2 Thoughtseize
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Fatal Push
3 Terminate
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Forest
2 Swamp
3 Raging Ravine
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Blood Crypt
3 Collective Brutality
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Blood Moon
1 Damnation
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thragtusk
2 Nihil Spellbomb
UR Twin - RIP
Many times I've been tempted to unload my cards and buy into Jund but as you can see I've split my diversity into mulltiple decks(see sig) instead of one or two. I'm sure many others could own Jund cept they are missing only the money bombs (goyf, lily, catacombs, bobs)
GURB Grixis/Jund Shadow
RBG Dredge
xUx U Ballista Tron
Commander
GUR Maelstrom Wanderer
BWU Sydri, Galvanic Genius
BGB Meren of Clan Nel Toth
WGW Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith
RRR Feldon of the Third Path
WWW Heliod, God of the Sun
Like the post I referred to said: the meta I was addressing these suggestions to contains a lot of Elves, Merfolk and Abzan Company decks. And yes, then I would absolutely play this high amount of creature hate
TBH I was discouraged seeing my beloved deck plunge into tier 3 as it is of now. But I think this is not what we should base our motivation on. Its probably hard to do, but I startet to not let me discourage by such things anymore. Recently I started doing amazing in my local store's FNMs, and people there like it that I can rock it with good old jund. Its sad that the deck has fallen out of favour, but I think this is a perfect opportunity to really show what we Jund players are able to do. We can still win local FNMs and can still compete in larger tournaments, even if winning the latter ones will be less likely if the deck is less present. But if I were to go to a modern event I would definitely play Jund now. And all that besides the popular opinion that some variant of Death's Shadow deck is the best deck in the format right now. I really like what Willy Edel said about this issue in one of his recent articles:
"Its better to play 100 % of a 70 % deck than 70 % of a 100 % deck"
What this means is that it doesn't matter if the deck is not top tier anymore. It can still compete, and if you feel more comfortable playing this deck, then you will be more successful with it. I strongly belive this is true. Just have a look at Nikatchu for example. He is the Merfolk Master and has good success with playing merfolk despite the fact that recently we could see again, that pros such as LSV or William Jensen think Merfolk is a bad deck (from coverage of GP Vegas). Just don't let yourself get discouraged. Play the deck if you want to. After all, one of Magic's aspects is having fun while playing. This greatly reflects the success you have with a given deck according to my opinion.
Just keep Junding 'em out!
Thoughts on today's spoiler?
We could resurrect Goyf, Bob and Ooze, but imo better for Shadow Decks.
C Kozilek C
GB Gitrog GB
G Titania G
WU Brago WU
GB MerenGB
Duel Commander Decks
UR Keranos UR
BRG Jund BRG
GR Tron GR GW Tron GW
C Eldrazi Tron (SB) C
BG Lantern Control BG
UW Control (SB) UW
Sorcery speed is an issue for the Grixis decks
Maybe for DSJ decks
Definitely not Jund, it doesn't ping any creatures, destroy artifacts, discard or get back your 4 drops. Will never see play in this version of Jund