I played Skred at the F2F Games Modern Open this past weekend that was being held at GP Toronto. I went 6-2-1 and placed 18th out of ~230 players. This is the deck list I ran:
Wins: Abzan Company (Spike Feeder/Angel), UW Control, Jeskai Flash, Abzan Delerium, Tron, Grixis Control
Losses: Abzan Company (Vizier/Druid), Ad Nauseam
Draw: Abzan Company (Vizier/Druid)
My thoughts on my deck:
This is the first time I've tried the Mind Stone/Simian Spirit Guide split and I really liked it. The Simian Spirit Guide allowed me to resolve a Blood Moon on turn 2 against Abzan Company and also allowed me to pay 1 for a Logic Knot, as well as Bolting an attacking Snapcaster to keep my Planeswalker alive. I don't think Skred can really afford to just run 4 Mind Stones main and 4 Simian Spirit Guides in the sideboard so I liked the 3/2 compromise, and would consider running 2/2 or 2/3. I am also strongly considering running just 4 Simian Spirit Guides as that would allow me to run 4 Goblin Rabblemasters in the sideboard for the match ups against Tron, Ad Nauseam, other non-interactive decks that try to race you.
Hazoret was very good for me whenever I played him. She did eat a path to exile once but honestly if my opponent is running path I am 100% ok with that as the rest of my deck is incredibly good against path. She ate numerous Tasigurs and turned extra lands into shocks to the face. I would consider running 2 copies if I could fit it in.
After my round 1 I walked around and saw an absolute ton of Collected Company decks and instantly regretted not running Grafdigger's Cage in the sideboard.
The Ad Nauseam deck was running main deck Solemnity to go along with Phyrexian Unlife (I got to look through his deck when he Ad Nauseam'd me game 1) and when he landed both pieces turn 2 I was locked out from making the top 8.
20x Snow-Covered Mountain
2x Scrying Sheets
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
4x Relic of Progenitus
1x Chalice of the Void
1x Magma Jet
1x Roast
4x Mind Stone
3x Blood Moon
3x Anger of the Gods
1x Boros Reckoner
1x Eternal Scourge
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Koth of the Hammer
3x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
2x Stormbreath Dragon
Played this last Sunday, went 3-2-1, 16th in 44 players... it was bad but i'm still learning how to play it
Finally i cut the Abrade and the Pyrite and played Magma Jet and a single copy of Chalice of the Void over them. Played Goblin Rabblemaster in sideboard and replaced the 4th Dragon Claw for the 2nd copy of Chalice of the Void.
Won to Elves, UB Mill and Boros Burn. Lost to Grixis Death Shadow and Goblins (lol). Tied with Grishoalbrand.
Next weekend i will be playing some PPTQs and i'm probably doing some changes, i'm not happy with the Chalices so i'll swap them for Ratchet Bomb (1 mb 1 sb). I think Pia and Kiran Nalaar are ok but sure we can play 2 and maybe a copy of Hazoret, the Fervent... I don't like the God but i think we need to test it more. If i dont play it, im probably going for a maindeck Pyrite...
I really love Boros Reckoner, in meta with much DS Aggro i will be playing 2 with 1 Eternal Scourge (just because it's a value guy), but i'm sure now it's the time to play Reckoner again. ¿What do you think?
Congrats on the finish! I told y'all Hazoret was good -- although I admit that the list I played her in was atrocious. I'm still fumbling super hard with my sideboard, and I'll post my updated list once it doesn't look like a bad hair day.
I want to raise the conversation of our removal suite. I've come to the conclusion that Bolt and Skred are not where we want to be in terms of removal because of how easy it is to out raise a reasonable Skred with EldraziTron or Death's Shadow. That said, we don't have many options outside of Roast. Is our current plan just to beat the other decks and admit that these are losses?
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We don't have to concede the Death's Shadow matchup.
Ensnaring Bridge beats Death's Shadow. Boros Reckoner beats it if it doesn't eat a Fatal Push. Earthquake is a bad time for them. Banefire is a bad time for them. An early Blood Moon or Rabblemaster can beat them in a race, so play Simian Spirit Guide.
Parts of the same program help against Eldrazi Tron, just less so.
We don't have to concede the Death's Shadow matchup.
Ensnaring Bridge beats Death's Shadow. Boros Reckoner beats it if it doesn't eat a Fatal Push. Earthquake is a bad time for them. Banefire is a bad time for them. An early Blood Moon or Rabblemaster can beat them in a race, so play Simian Spirit Guide.
Parts of the same program help against Eldrazi Tron, just less so.
I agree that we don't have to concede the Death's Shadow match up but Earthquake can't kill a Death's Shadow. Banefire seems like it could be ok but you have to remember that if you don't want them to counter it it's 6 mana and they have all those turns to Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek it out of your hand.
Hazoret is the real deal, if it's in play it lines up incredibly nicely against Gurmag Angler, Tagisur, Thoughtknot Seer, Reality Smasher, Tarmogoyf and can chump Death's Shadow, while producing a clock. It does require some proper play sequencing to make it relevant in combat but it's not a deal breaker.
A quick reminder: we're a mono-red midrange deck with a slow clock, so there's only so much we can ask our deck to do.
Unfortunately for us, Eldrazi and Shadow operate on axes we don't play particularly well on: they attack us on the stack, are resilient against our best burns spells, and don't always fold to Blood Moon. That said, while I've found neither deck to be favorable for us, they aren't hugely unfavored. Neither deck will always have their nut draw (Shadow doesn't always go discard > discard > Shadow, and Eldrazi doesn't always have Temple > Temple > TKS > Smasher), and when they don't, they're manageable.
Personally, I think it's a better use of Skred to just focus on tight play and have some obvious sideboard inclusions (e.g. Reckoner). According to Mtggoldfish, Eldrazi and Shadow are currently a combined 14% of the meta; try to play tight against them, and focus on beating Affinity, Burn, Bant Eldrazi, Coco, and the other myriad of decks we're designed to beat. There will always be decks we have a bad time with (hello, Ad Naus), so I'd rather try to play to my strengths than make my deck worse trying to beat poor matchups.
Besides, this is Modern: Shadow or Tron could easily wind up banned .
@TexasGoyf
Thanks, I considered writing something in the same vein because it seems people are way too hung up on Death's Shadow. Listen to this man!
@jipisucio77
Only include Jet or Roast as flex spots, there's usually 0-2 depending on your selection of threats. Definitely don't cut any Moon or Relics. Remember, having the sligh selection of scry 2 isn't brainstorming, and you'll still want 4 copies to consistently find your lock piece!
However depending on meta, you can go down to 3 sweeps main.
As for SSG and Rabble, again, it's mainly against combo decks we can't interact with because they win without creatures or graveyard. Ad Nauseam is a prime example, and also throw in Storm and Ramp decks (removal or Moon slow them, but we'll need a quick clock to finish before they assemble a win anyway). Rabble is by no means a neccicity, but rather a desperate measure to have a chance against our worse matchups.
SSG on the other hand, is in my opinion, invaluable in today's fast meta.
I play both SSG and Mind Stone main (!), and tbh it's been great!
Edit: Actual reply instead of promoting own deck :|
How about Wurmcoils in our deck? Death Shadow and E-Tron have a really hard time beating it if it resolves. We have plenty of ramp bring get it out quickly, and P&K does a good job at buying time for it
Hello everyone! I loved playing RDW back in standard and just recently updated it for modern. It feels weird and awesome to play so many basics, 4 drops and 5 drops in modern. So far I'm having a blast with this deck:
I think Midn8Walker is right. If you're committed to GDD, cut the Relics, cut Stormbreath, and add some more targets for the GDDs to bring back (e.g. Molten Rain). Probably also tick up to 4 Blood Moon and 4 Mind Stone if you go that route.
Or cut the GDD entirely and replace with 3 or 4 drop alternatives to smooth your curve.
A couple of choices I find really interesting. The first thing that jumps out is the full 4 Stormbreaths instead of the usual 2 or 3. I guess he predicted decks with Path will be really popular?
The list also plays only 3 relics instead of 4, which is really weird to me becaue I always felt 4xMD relics are one of our greatest strenghts. This is especially weird because he plays Sweltering Suns over Anger of the Gods, so he has even less GY hate.
And the last thing is the 2x Magma Jet. From what I've seen people have been cutting it because it doesn't do anything against Shadow decks, but he just plays 2x in the main. Also he runs zero Roasts in his 75 to deal with Tasigurs and anglers. And no Ratchet bombs too!
In the sideboard he runs another interesting addition of 4x Simian Spirit Guide. This is interesting to me because most Skred lists who run Guides are chalice/bridge/BMoon lists who are all-in on the prison plan and try to cheat a gamebreaking prison piece into play.
Any thoughts on these choices?
Stormbreath should see an uptick in play because of the rise in decks that are coming back into the format to combat DS. We now have two types of Abzan decks all on Lingering Souls, some on path, some on just push and bob. Either way Stormbreath beats both. You can also get a window vs UW control and apply pressure there.
I think Midn8Walker is right. If you're committed to GDD, cut the Relics, cut Stormbreath, and add some more targets for the GDDs to bring back (e.g. Molten Rain). Probably also tick up to 4 Blood Moon and 4 Mind Stone if you go that route.
Or cut the GDD entirely and replace with 3 or 4 drop alternatives to smooth your curve.
I'm not right cause I did not gave a statement
I'm just asking, maybe there are important reasons
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"From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
"Ok, Banefire for 5. You're dead."
"Counter."
"Nope."
Earthquake + Boros Reckoner + our dragons and thopers surviving
2 Eternal Scourge
2 Simian Spirit Guides
3 Kia and Piran Nalaar
1 Hazoret the Fervant
2 Stormbreath Dragons
Spells
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Skred
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Roast
3 Mind Stone
3 Blood Moon
2 Anger of the Gods
4 Koth of the Hammer
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
21 Snow Covered Mountains
2 Scrying Sheets
3 Molten Rain
3 Dragon's Claw
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Roast
3 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Shattering Spree
2 Ratchet Bombs
Wins: Abzan Company (Spike Feeder/Angel), UW Control, Jeskai Flash, Abzan Delerium, Tron, Grixis Control
Losses: Abzan Company (Vizier/Druid), Ad Nauseam
Draw: Abzan Company (Vizier/Druid)
My thoughts on my deck:
This is the first time I've tried the Mind Stone/Simian Spirit Guide split and I really liked it. The Simian Spirit Guide allowed me to resolve a Blood Moon on turn 2 against Abzan Company and also allowed me to pay 1 for a Logic Knot, as well as Bolting an attacking Snapcaster to keep my Planeswalker alive. I don't think Skred can really afford to just run 4 Mind Stones main and 4 Simian Spirit Guides in the sideboard so I liked the 3/2 compromise, and would consider running 2/2 or 2/3. I am also strongly considering running just 4 Simian Spirit Guides as that would allow me to run 4 Goblin Rabblemasters in the sideboard for the match ups against Tron, Ad Nauseam, other non-interactive decks that try to race you.
Hazoret was very good for me whenever I played him. She did eat a path to exile once but honestly if my opponent is running path I am 100% ok with that as the rest of my deck is incredibly good against path. She ate numerous Tasigurs and turned extra lands into shocks to the face. I would consider running 2 copies if I could fit it in.
After my round 1 I walked around and saw an absolute ton of Collected Company decks and instantly regretted not running Grafdigger's Cage in the sideboard.
The Ad Nauseam deck was running main deck Solemnity to go along with Phyrexian Unlife (I got to look through his deck when he Ad Nauseam'd me game 1) and when he landed both pieces turn 2 I was locked out from making the top 8.
Played this last Sunday, went 3-2-1, 16th in 44 players... it was bad but i'm still learning how to play it
Finally i cut the Abrade and the Pyrite and played Magma Jet and a single copy of Chalice of the Void over them. Played Goblin Rabblemaster in sideboard and replaced the 4th Dragon Claw for the 2nd copy of Chalice of the Void.
Won to Elves, UB Mill and Boros Burn. Lost to Grixis Death Shadow and Goblins (lol). Tied with Grishoalbrand.
Next weekend i will be playing some PPTQs and i'm probably doing some changes, i'm not happy with the Chalices so i'll swap them for Ratchet Bomb (1 mb 1 sb). I think Pia and Kiran Nalaar are ok but sure we can play 2 and maybe a copy of Hazoret, the Fervent... I don't like the God but i think we need to test it more. If i dont play it, im probably going for a maindeck Pyrite...
I really love Boros Reckoner, in meta with much DS Aggro i will be playing 2 with 1 Eternal Scourge (just because it's a value guy), but i'm sure now it's the time to play Reckoner again. ¿What do you think?
I want to raise the conversation of our removal suite. I've come to the conclusion that Bolt and Skred are not where we want to be in terms of removal because of how easy it is to out raise a reasonable Skred with EldraziTron or Death's Shadow. That said, we don't have many options outside of Roast. Is our current plan just to beat the other decks and admit that these are losses?
Ensnaring Bridge beats Death's Shadow. Boros Reckoner beats it if it doesn't eat a Fatal Push. Earthquake is a bad time for them. Banefire is a bad time for them. An early Blood Moon or Rabblemaster can beat them in a race, so play Simian Spirit Guide.
Parts of the same program help against Eldrazi Tron, just less so.
I agree that we don't have to concede the Death's Shadow match up but Earthquake can't kill a Death's Shadow. Banefire seems like it could be ok but you have to remember that if you don't want them to counter it it's 6 mana and they have all those turns to Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek it out of your hand.
Hazoret is the real deal, if it's in play it lines up incredibly nicely against Gurmag Angler, Tagisur, Thoughtknot Seer, Reality Smasher, Tarmogoyf and can chump Death's Shadow, while producing a clock. It does require some proper play sequencing to make it relevant in combat but it's not a deal breaker.
Banefire's more of a top-deck out for the later game. If they do take it from your hand with targeted removal, that's a Moon they didn't take.
Unfortunately for us, Eldrazi and Shadow operate on axes we don't play particularly well on: they attack us on the stack, are resilient against our best burns spells, and don't always fold to Blood Moon. That said, while I've found neither deck to be favorable for us, they aren't hugely unfavored. Neither deck will always have their nut draw (Shadow doesn't always go discard > discard > Shadow, and Eldrazi doesn't always have Temple > Temple > TKS > Smasher), and when they don't, they're manageable.
Personally, I think it's a better use of Skred to just focus on tight play and have some obvious sideboard inclusions (e.g. Reckoner). According to Mtggoldfish, Eldrazi and Shadow are currently a combined 14% of the meta; try to play tight against them, and focus on beating Affinity, Burn, Bant Eldrazi, Coco, and the other myriad of decks we're designed to beat. There will always be decks we have a bad time with (hello, Ad Naus), so I'd rather try to play to my strengths than make my deck worse trying to beat poor matchups.
Besides, this is Modern: Shadow or Tron could easily wind up banned .
Thanks, I considered writing something in the same vein because it seems people are way too hung up on Death's Shadow. Listen to this man!
@jipisucio77
Only include Jet or Roast as flex spots, there's usually 0-2 depending on your selection of threats. Definitely don't cut any Moon or Relics. Remember, having the sligh selection of scry 2 isn't brainstorming, and you'll still want 4 copies to consistently find your lock piece!
However depending on meta, you can go down to 3 sweeps main.
As for SSG and Rabble, again, it's mainly against combo decks we can't interact with because they win without creatures or graveyard. Ad Nauseam is a prime example, and also throw in Storm and Ramp decks (removal or Moon slow them, but we'll need a quick clock to finish before they assemble a win anyway). Rabble is by no means a neccicity, but rather a desperate measure to have a chance against our worse matchups.
SSG on the other hand, is in my opinion, invaluable in today's fast meta.
I play both SSG and Mind Stone main (!), and tbh it's been great!
Edit: Actual reply instead of promoting own deck :|
Legacy: Death'n'Taxes
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
Artifact (7)
3x Mind Stone
4x Relic of Progenitus
4x Koth of the Hammer
Sorcery (5)
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Pyroclasm
Creature (8)
4x Goblin Dark-Dwellers
4x Stormbreath Dragon
3x Blood Moon
1x Outpost Siege
Land (24)
4x Scrying Sheets
20x Snow-Covered Mountain
Tribal Zoo video series
But I dislike the 4x Relic + 4x Dark-Dwellers, how do they work together?
Why 5 Sweeper main?
What is in your Sideboard?
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
I think Midn8Walker is right. If you're committed to GDD, cut the Relics, cut Stormbreath, and add some more targets for the GDDs to bring back (e.g. Molten Rain). Probably also tick up to 4 Blood Moon and 4 Mind Stone if you go that route.
Or cut the GDD entirely and replace with 3 or 4 drop alternatives to smooth your curve.
Stormbreath should see an uptick in play because of the rise in decks that are coming back into the format to combat DS. We now have two types of Abzan decks all on Lingering Souls, some on path, some on just push and bob. Either way Stormbreath beats both. You can also get a window vs UW control and apply pressure there.
I'm not right cause I did not gave a statement
I'm just asking, maybe there are important reasons
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."