Looks like you played against 4c Gifts Ungiven in that last matchup. It's an old strategy that hasn't seen much success in years, but it's fun to play against. Congrats on the finish!
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Chalice if definately a sb card, we can't cut the quality removal and all relics from main. That being said, I think chalice is incredible atm and should probably be tested more, even without SSG.
It works well against a lot of unfavored matchups like Death's Shadow, Storm, Ad Naus and the like, as well as the comeback of Living End (chalice for 0 shuts the cascade). I don't know how many copies we're looking at, but I'm thinking 2-3 should do?
My guess is three. The true prison decks play four main, so if we want to be able to mime their game against Shadow or Storm, we want to err on the high side.
Plus it's just an easy build -- yank out Dragon's Claw, insert Chalice. If only it were so easy on the wallet.
Im finding the matchup against EldraTron pretty tough, they just search a wastes with a map, ghostquarter himself or w/e to be able to play their eldrazis and im not faster enough against them, also chalice on 1 make our skreds and bolts useless, im bringing game 2 some molten rains and roast or dismember but i cant deal with this deck, any suggestion? for reference im running pretty standard list with 3 anger of the gods main and scourges,.
Eldrazi-tron is near impossible to beat game 1 if they can play around Moon and still retain a good clock. However, without Stirrings they're not as consistent as RG tron so you might steal a game occasionally.
Post-board is a lot more tolerable as they'll still lack good removal for Moon, and can be hit hard by Molten Rains. This is one of the mathups where the 4th rain is very welcome. Also bring any Mortars/Roast obviously, and Obliterate if you play it (it's actually amazing against them).
By no means a good matchup, you'll have to draw the right pieces in timely matter and pray you can play them before a Seers strips them away. In other words, seeing how both decks lack proper card selection, it's a battle of construction and RNG.
Last match I had vs this sh*tpiece of deck, I dropped the Moon, he dropped a land -> Thought Knot, dropped a land -> Smasher, dropped a Land -> Wurmcoil.
(OMG. SO. MUCH. SKILL.) q.q
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The most frustrating part of modern right now is that a third of the time, fair decks don't even get a chance to play magic. Between turn 2 TKS, or Turn 1 discard + turn2 tasigur with stubborn backup, there is not much you can do besides sit there an pretend the game isn't over for another 2 turns.
I think we need to shift into prison pieces and move from there. Maybe our nut draw becomes Ensnaring Bridge into Koth emblem, and than unleash our cannonade from behind out Bridge? I also think it's time for Boros Reckoner to come back. Nice 7/7 Death's Shadow: hey, where's your life total?
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I can actually get behind a full suit of dragons. I've seen a lot of lists run 4 P&K and 2-3 Stormbreath, but flipping the count the other way around makes sense as the walkers tick up the card count at 4 cmc a lot. With Mind Stones 4 stormbreath doesn't seem too bad at all, althought most like to run a 1-of something else instead of a copy.
I really like sweltering suns, but only because I can run 4 without it being stuck in hand against matchup where it's useless. At 2 or 3 sweeps chances are low that you'll see multiples, and I think Anger would be the way to go in this case. Especially with Jets (which I dig tbh but Roast fills flex better these days imo).
I think the 4 SSG in sideboard is a really nice plan. Some games you'll need a early moon or clock to have any chance at all, and having SSGs in side makes sure the consistency game 1 is there for the general game. Seems like a good idea to me, question is how much you'll miss Molten Rains. I'd also like to mention that spirit guiding out chalice/bridge isn't necessary and you shouldn't think SSG only fits the prison style. Cheating out Moon or Rabble is plenty enough for it to be of value (I've even had game-winning T2 Koths).
SSG is really good in the sideboard, especially mixed in with rabblemasters. Turn 2/3 Koth can single handedly win the game.
We used to run 4 stormbreaths, but then everybody copied adonis2k, and went down to 1-3 and 4 P&Ks. Personally, my list still runs 4 stormbreaths, but that's my preference and I haven't played in a long time.
I agree that the Rabblemasters make the SSG's even better. My question now is just if we should sideboard the rabblemasters in against shadow decks? Seems to me like a turn 1 or 2 rabblemaster can be pretty good with all the life-loss they inflict upon themselves. Or will it just help them by getting their shadows online faster?
I wouldn't side in Rabble against Death's Shadow at all, simply because they answer it so easily. It's a huge setback to SSG out a Rabble only to get it answered by a Bolt or Push (or even Tarfire).
Rabble is only worth siding in against creature-less combo decks featuring little to no removal. Ad Nauseam, Storm, Walks (I suppose), and it's also decent against RG Tron and Scapeshift/Breach as a follow-up to Moon. Sadly Death's Shadow doensn't fit the criteria, running Chalice in Rabble's place might be a solution that can hose Shadow while still proving some worth against combo. Don't think I'd sun SSG sb in this situation, thought.
The four Stormbreath is a counter-meta choice. By responding to the rise of white removal, you shut out the majority of the meta. I may also move to four Dragons; its high time they get into the red zone!
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Im going to start slinging Skred again starting next week. Any advice for the new meta after 9 months of not playing the deck? I suppose bskull is not good anymore after k-command and Push?
Well, I still play 1-of Batterskull - Stormbreath Dragon equipped with Batterskull is the dream <3
Try to get your hands on 1-2 Hazoret the Fervent (pretty amazing card), have Storm always in your mind.
It's dangerous to go out alone, take Graveyardhate with you.
After gettin rekt by a huge numbers of TKS, Smasher and Bananakings I would advise to play some kind of Roast.
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Hi, how are you all? I'm a Skred Red player from Uruguay, I'm going to play some tourneys and PPTQs next weekends and this is what I'm testing at MTGO :
Main:
20x Snow-Covered Mountain
2x Scrying Sheets
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
4x Relic of Progenitus
1x Pyrite Spellbomb
1x Abrade
1x Roast
4x Mind Stone
3x Blood Moon
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Eternal Scourge
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Koth of the Hammer
3x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
2x Stormbreath Dragon
I'm not sure about the sideboard, I think 4 molten rain are too much but so much necessary too. My nightmare here is Death's Shadow Aggro (especially the Grixis version), want to add some Ratchet Bombs in sb and Boros Reckoner or Ensnaring Bridge instead Eternal Scourge (main). But I don't know if Bridges are effective in this archetype.
What do you think about the list? What changes will you do? Abrade is too strong, I think it's better than Magma Jet but the scry 2 is a good point to play some copies.
I'm always playing it in MTGO, my nickname is elcolouru1 if you want to talk or play! Thank you very much
If your nightmare is Death's Shadow, consider that Magma Jet can target the player. I've lost to a 12/12 Shadow before -- Jet might have saved me and Abrade would not.
It works well against a lot of unfavored matchups like Death's Shadow, Storm, Ad Naus and the like, as well as the comeback of Living End (chalice for 0 shuts the cascade). I don't know how many copies we're looking at, but I'm thinking 2-3 should do?
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Plus it's just an easy build -- yank out Dragon's Claw, insert Chalice. If only it were so easy on the wallet.
Post-board is a lot more tolerable as they'll still lack good removal for Moon, and can be hit hard by Molten Rains. This is one of the mathups where the 4th rain is very welcome. Also bring any Mortars/Roast obviously, and Obliterate if you play it (it's actually amazing against them).
By no means a good matchup, you'll have to draw the right pieces in timely matter and pray you can play them before a Seers strips them away. In other words, seeing how both decks lack proper card selection, it's a battle of construction and RNG.
Edit: Misread the remark on chalice.
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T1 Expedition Map -> We need the T1 Shattering Spree
T3 Thought Knot Seer -> We need the T4 4x Mountain and 1xSkred
T3 Natural Tron -> We are f*cked mostly -> On the Play we need the Blood Moon // Molten Rain, maybe two Rains
Last match I had vs this sh*tpiece of deck, I dropped the Moon, he dropped a land -> Thought Knot, dropped a land -> Smasher, dropped a Land -> Wurmcoil.
(OMG. SO. MUCH. SKILL.) q.q
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
I really like sweltering suns, but only because I can run 4 without it being stuck in hand against matchup where it's useless. At 2 or 3 sweeps chances are low that you'll see multiples, and I think Anger would be the way to go in this case. Especially with Jets (which I dig tbh but Roast fills flex better these days imo).
I think the 4 SSG in sideboard is a really nice plan. Some games you'll need a early moon or clock to have any chance at all, and having SSGs in side makes sure the consistency game 1 is there for the general game. Seems like a good idea to me, question is how much you'll miss Molten Rains. I'd also like to mention that spirit guiding out chalice/bridge isn't necessary and you shouldn't think SSG only fits the prison style. Cheating out Moon or Rabble is plenty enough for it to be of value (I've even had game-winning T2 Koths).
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We used to run 4 stormbreaths, but then everybody copied adonis2k, and went down to 1-3 and 4 P&Ks. Personally, my list still runs 4 stormbreaths, but that's my preference and I haven't played in a long time.
Rabble is only worth siding in against creature-less combo decks featuring little to no removal. Ad Nauseam, Storm, Walks (I suppose), and it's also decent against RG Tron and Scapeshift/Breach as a follow-up to Moon. Sadly Death's Shadow doensn't fit the criteria, running Chalice in Rabble's place might be a solution that can hose Shadow while still proving some worth against combo. Don't think I'd sun SSG sb in this situation, thought.
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Try to get your hands on 1-2 Hazoret the Fervent (pretty amazing card), have Storm always in your mind.
It's dangerous to go out alone, take Graveyardhate with you.
After gettin rekt by a huge numbers of TKS, Smasher and Bananakings I would advise to play some kind of Roast.
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity."
Main:
20x Snow-Covered Mountain
2x Scrying Sheets
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skred
4x Relic of Progenitus
1x Pyrite Spellbomb
1x Abrade
1x Roast
4x Mind Stone
3x Blood Moon
3x Anger of the Gods
2x Eternal Scourge
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4x Koth of the Hammer
3x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
2x Stormbreath Dragon
Sideboard:
4x Molten Rain
4x Dragon Claw
2x Ricochet Trap
2x Goblin Rabblemaster or Goblin Dark-Dwellers
1x Shattering Spree
1x Vandalblast
1x Grafdigger's Cage
I'm not sure about the sideboard, I think 4 molten rain are too much but so much necessary too. My nightmare here is Death's Shadow Aggro (especially the Grixis version), want to add some Ratchet Bombs in sb and Boros Reckoner or Ensnaring Bridge instead Eternal Scourge (main). But I don't know if Bridges are effective in this archetype.
What do you think about the list? What changes will you do? Abrade is too strong, I think it's better than Magma Jet but the scry 2 is a good point to play some copies.
I'm always playing it in MTGO, my nickname is elcolouru1 if you want to talk or play! Thank you very much
I'd also swap a Ratchet Bomb for the Spellbomb.
Assume you have decided to tick up to seven planeswalkers. The first six spots are held by four copies of Koth and two of Chandra, Torch of Defiance.
When is it correct to include a single copy of Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker over a third copy of Chandra?