Round 1 (0-2) - BTL Scapeshift - 3 MD Wrath Effects (7 if you count BTL), 2 more post board.
Round 2 (0-2) - UW Control - 4 MD Terminus and 2 Verdict in the board. Got Terminus'd on Turn 2 and 5 G1, Turn 3 Game 2.
Round 3 (2-0) - Infect - He scooped Turn 3 to Magus game 1 and Turn 2 to Magus game 2.
Round 4 (0-2) - Free Win Red - Turn 1 Blood Moon, Turn 2 Bolt your Bird, Turn 3 Ensnaring Bridge. G2, Turn 1 Bolt your Bird, Turn 2 Blood Moon, Turn 3 Ensnaring Bridge..
Eldrazi being a deck, while it's not a terrible match up is forcing creature hate to an all time high. I'm pretty sure I'm never winning a game against any of the 3 decks I lost to last night and I fear this is what Modern is going to look like until April.
Pretty sure it's time to sleeve up something else or step back from Modern for a while. Good luck everyone.
I'm pretty much with Luda. Eldrazi's not a good matchup, and we're definitely not favored (35 or 40% if both players really know what they're doing - a lot of eldrazi players don't), but mostly the fact that the only viable decks against them are spell-based decks playing boatloads of wipes/creature hate kills us.
There's basically no point in playing a non-eldrazi deck with creatures at the moment - you're better off playing pure spell decks, or Eldrazi.
Forgot to share, but last week at my LGS I played against RG Boom//Bust Blood Moon (green splash for dorks), Skred, and Blue Moon. Went 1-2, lost the first two matches due to some odd draws and Stormbreath being surprisingly tough for us. The meta is changing for sure, will be interesting to see what happens. This deck is definitely in a worse spot now than it used to be.
But that's basically true for every deck in the meta, everything is in a worse spot than before eldrazi were a thing, I think playing lightning bolts might help things, at least with picking off early mimics and helping voice trade up
I think adding a bit more power to the main deck in the form of cheaper threats like Loxodon Smiter might be necessary to try and stand toe to toe with Eldrazi until a potential ban announcement. The deck is probably poorly positioned right now, but that's primarily because everything is a race at the moment, and the meta's answer is to develop Prison style decks that stop Eldrazi from being able to use their cheap, high power creatures in combat. Eldrazi vs. "Let's not play Magic" decks isn't a tenable meta-game, so something will change, I think Kiki Chord will just have to bide its time until that happens.
Pretty sure it's time to sleeve up something else or step back from Modern for a while. Good luck everyone.
I'm right there with you. I've given up running Kiki-Chord on MTGO leagues for the time being, and I'll play UG Infect at my local shop until the next B&R.
. . .and the meta's answer is to develop Prison style decks that stop Eldrazi from being able to use their cheap, high power creatures in combat.
I really doubt the Prison decks are going to do much. Feel like they'd be putting up decent results on MTGO if they were actually good decks.
Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but here's the results from a recent MTGO PTQ. The winning list looks like a very good answer to Eldrazi, and it also happens to be Eldrazi itself. Blink your Skyspawner/Drowner to outvalue your opponent, more fatty-removal in the form of Path to Exile, win the mirror with Worship.
I've been enjoying Chord, but it definitely feels poorly positioned right now, and I'm not sure that the deck has a correct answer for the format as it stands now.
Pretty sure it's time to sleeve up something else or step back from Modern for a while. Good luck everyone.
I'm right there with you. I've given up running Kiki-Chord on MTGO leagues for the time being, and I'll play UG Infect at my local shop until the next B&R.
. . .and the meta's answer is to develop Prison style decks that stop Eldrazi from being able to use their cheap, high power creatures in combat.
I really doubt the Prison decks are going to do much. Feel like they'd be putting up decent results on MTGO if they were actually good decks.
Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but here's the results from a recent MTGO PTQ. The winning list looks like a very good answer to Eldrazi, and it also happens to be Eldrazi itself. Blink your Skyspawner/Drowner to outvalue your opponent, more fatty-removal in the form of Path to Exile, win the mirror with Worship.
I've been enjoying Chord, but it definitely feels poorly positioned right now, and I'm not sure that the deck has a correct answer for the format as it stands now.
All of this made me play with abzan liege until april Kiki-chord/b2l dont have the awnser for this meta. B2L version came with better results in my tests but still a terrible match for us.
has anyone tried two leige in the sideboard? seems good against eldrazi makes the walls 1/5 or 1/6 and makes voice able to go toe for toe. Im trying two at the moment. I havent got achnace to see its results but like the idea in theory
has anyone tried two leige in the sideboard? seems good against eldrazi makes the walls 1/5 or 1/6 and makes voice able to go toe for toe. Im trying two at the moment. I havent got achnace to see its results but like the idea in theory
Too slow. If you're at the point where you can Chord for a Liege, you might as well just go for the combo and close the game out fast.
has anyone tried two leige in the sideboard? seems good against eldrazi makes the walls 1/5 or 1/6 and makes voice able to go toe for toe. Im trying two at the moment. I havent got achnace to see its results but like the idea in theory
Too slow. If you're at the point where you can Chord for a Liege, you might as well just go for the combo and close the game out fast.
has anyone tried two leige in the sideboard? seems good against eldrazi makes the walls 1/5 or 1/6 and makes voice able to go toe for toe. Im trying two at the moment. I havent got achnace to see its results but like the idea in theory
Too slow. If you're at the point where you can Chord for a Liege, you might as well just go for the combo and close the game out fast.
Our combo is not undisruptable...
Yeah no *****, neither is Liege. Difference being that one wins you the game for sure, the other doesn't.
has anyone tried two leige in the sideboard? seems good against eldrazi makes the walls 1/5 or 1/6 and makes voice able to go toe for toe. Im trying two at the moment. I havent got achnace to see its results but like the idea in theory
Too slow. If you're at the point where you can Chord for a Liege, you might as well just go for the combo and close the game out fast.
Our combo is not undisruptable...
Yeah no *****, neither is Liege. Difference being that one wins you the game for sure, the other doesn't.
If you play around bolt... Or cannot reach 5 for chording..
Your statement is just too general to reflect reality.
If you have the means to cast a Liege and enough creatures out for its buff to make a difference, you have the means to start a Chord chain. Eldrazi doesn't play Bolt.
If you have the means to cast a Liege and enough creatures out for its buff to make a difference, you have the means to start a Chord chain. Eldrazi doesn't play Bolt.
Hopefully 60% of the meta at least is not an eldrazi deck.
A chain is easily disrupted by bolting/pathing/[you name it] a witness when you chord for angel or kiki, hoping to get back chord.
With let'say 2 kitchen finks, 1 voice and 1 elemental token, you are often getting into lethal with liege on the board, forcing him to respond and still do not loose the ability to combo out later. Chording for one or the other is a question of feeling, but the flexibility avoids to go all in while you shouldn't have.
1.) Never cut eidolon of rhetoric from the main deck. Goddamn, is that card ridiculous vs. so many decks.
2.) Eldrazi is a mana-debt deck. They put you in mana-debt by having sol lands, and try to win before your card advantage catches you back up. The only way to consistently beat them is to have large, plus-mana swings. To that end, I'm currently playing:
4 voices of resurgence main-deck - this is regularly big enough to trade with thought-knot seers and smashers.
2 obstinate baloths sideboard. I'm considering putting one mainboard. I think baloth over lone missionary is a strong move. But fundamentally, this is a 4-mana tempo swing if you can manage to path a reality smasher. And aside from smasher, we can sort of go toe-to-toe with a lot of the eldrazi threats.
I'm tempted to include a loxodon smiter sideboard as well, but I don't want to over-tech for the matchup. If I did, I'd cut a helix out of the sideboard.
3.) There's no silver bullet that we can chord for that stops eldrazi decks. This is just a fact. There's no fulminator mage, eidolon of rhetoric, sin collector, etc, that hoses them. You take too much damage through hornet nest, and have to leave up 6/let a bunch of guys through. As such, I think our best bet is worship or trying to exploit the discard. I don't love worship because it does too little against too many decks - baloth furthers our midrange beat-down plan while helping us against all kinds of aggro and potentially giving us a huge tempo swing.
I pretty much agree with all of the above. I have to admit though I've seen Hoogland play Eldrazi a couple of times in stream now and the UR list seems tough but not too bad if the first few turns can be endured. I do think either trading or being able to destroy their creatures in combat could be useful. I even wonder if something like Glissa couldn't be useful, we've already got the B for Pontiff, first strike/deathtouch that survives all the Eldrazi might be useful. Chording for it in response to a Smasher attack shouldn't be too difficult if a creature has been hitting the board each turn.
The Baloth makes a lot of sense because of the amount of aggro running around though, it'll make a solid contribution against Eldrazi but also against any other deck that loses momentum from 4 life gain and needs to dedicate a resource to getting a 4/4 off the table.
If you have the means to cast a Liege and enough creatures out for its buff to make a difference, you have the means to start a Chord chain. Eldrazi doesn't play Bolt.
Hopefully 60% of the meta at least is not an eldrazi deck.
Well, you're the one who brought up Liege as anti-Eldrazi tech...
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Round 1 (0-2) - BTL Scapeshift - 3 MD Wrath Effects (7 if you count BTL), 2 more post board.
Round 2 (0-2) - UW Control - 4 MD Terminus and 2 Verdict in the board. Got Terminus'd on Turn 2 and 5 G1, Turn 3 Game 2.
Round 3 (2-0) - Infect - He scooped Turn 3 to Magus game 1 and Turn 2 to Magus game 2.
Round 4 (0-2) - Free Win Red - Turn 1 Blood Moon, Turn 2 Bolt your Bird, Turn 3 Ensnaring Bridge. G2, Turn 1 Bolt your Bird, Turn 2 Blood Moon, Turn 3 Ensnaring Bridge..
Eldrazi being a deck, while it's not a terrible match up is forcing creature hate to an all time high. I'm pretty sure I'm never winning a game against any of the 3 decks I lost to last night and I fear this is what Modern is going to look like until April.
Pretty sure it's time to sleeve up something else or step back from Modern for a while. Good luck everyone.
There's basically no point in playing a non-eldrazi deck with creatures at the moment - you're better off playing pure spell decks, or Eldrazi.
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I really doubt the Prison decks are going to do much. Feel like they'd be putting up decent results on MTGO if they were actually good decks.
Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but here's the results from a recent MTGO PTQ. The winning list looks like a very good answer to Eldrazi, and it also happens to be Eldrazi itself. Blink your Skyspawner/Drowner to outvalue your opponent, more fatty-removal in the form of Path to Exile, win the mirror with Worship.
I've been enjoying Chord, but it definitely feels poorly positioned right now, and I'm not sure that the deck has a correct answer for the format as it stands now.
All of this made me play with abzan liege until april Kiki-chord/b2l dont have the awnser for this meta. B2L version came with better results in my tests but still a terrible match for us.
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Too slow. If you're at the point where you can Chord for a Liege, you might as well just go for the combo and close the game out fast.
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Yeah no *****, neither is Liege. Difference being that one wins you the game for sure, the other doesn't.
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If you play around bolt... Or cannot reach 5 for chording..
Your statement is just too general to reflect reality.
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki
Hopefully 60% of the meta at least is not an eldrazi deck.
A chain is easily disrupted by bolting/pathing/[you name it] a witness when you chord for angel or kiki, hoping to get back chord.
With let'say 2 kitchen finks, 1 voice and 1 elemental token, you are often getting into lethal with liege on the board, forcing him to respond and still do not loose the ability to combo out later. Chording for one or the other is a question of feeling, but the flexibility avoids to go all in while you shouldn't have.
1.) Never cut eidolon of rhetoric from the main deck. Goddamn, is that card ridiculous vs. so many decks.
2.) Eldrazi is a mana-debt deck. They put you in mana-debt by having sol lands, and try to win before your card advantage catches you back up. The only way to consistently beat them is to have large, plus-mana swings. To that end, I'm currently playing:
4 voices of resurgence main-deck - this is regularly big enough to trade with thought-knot seers and smashers.
2 obstinate baloths sideboard. I'm considering putting one mainboard. I think baloth over lone missionary is a strong move. But fundamentally, this is a 4-mana tempo swing if you can manage to path a reality smasher. And aside from smasher, we can sort of go toe-to-toe with a lot of the eldrazi threats.
I'm tempted to include a loxodon smiter sideboard as well, but I don't want to over-tech for the matchup. If I did, I'd cut a helix out of the sideboard.
3.) There's no silver bullet that we can chord for that stops eldrazi decks. This is just a fact. There's no fulminator mage, eidolon of rhetoric, sin collector, etc, that hoses them. You take too much damage through hornet nest, and have to leave up 6/let a bunch of guys through. As such, I think our best bet is worship or trying to exploit the discard. I don't love worship because it does too little against too many decks - baloth furthers our midrange beat-down plan while helping us against all kinds of aggro and potentially giving us a huge tempo swing.
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The Baloth makes a lot of sense because of the amount of aggro running around though, it'll make a solid contribution against Eldrazi but also against any other deck that loses momentum from 4 life gain and needs to dedicate a resource to getting a 4/4 off the table.
Well, you're the one who brought up Liege as anti-Eldrazi tech...
Abzan Traverse / Traverse Shadow / UR Kiki